reply to post by metalholic
The path to knowledge is usually littered with fear and paranoia and disinformation. Science lights the way and dispels superstition and
The first step in examining an OP that has too much in it is to go step-by-step.
The one-hour long video is first step.....but, in only the first 5
minutes it becomes clear that the disinformation (i.e, lies) have begun.
The video features a few qualified HAARP personnel, and manages to take at least one out of context. At about 3:30 the person says that HAARP can
bring the temperature of the ionosphere "up to" 1600°. But, the thing is.....it is already quite hot
to begin with!! Most people
simply don't understand this....they think (incorrectly) that higher above the Earth's surface is "always" colder. Studying a bit more shows
this not to be exactly the case.
The Sun, when it is shining on the part of the globe that faces it, will heat up the ionosphere, sometimes (depending on Solar activity) to as high as
2,000°. So, the person (HAARP Project Manager) mentioning that the ionosphere heats "up to" 1,600° means it is only being raised by an
incremental amount....NOT from 0° to 1.600°!
Of course, when they use this figure as a "temperature" it also isn't as we are familiar with here on the ground. It's not like an oven, for
example, at that temperature. The ionosphere is extremely
thin and tenuous. The "temperatures" they refer to are the individual
atoms and ions temps.
Think about it: Every spacecraft we have sent into orbit (or farther) has to travel through the ionosphere.....twice if it's manned and returning to
@3:45 Patrick Flanagan, billed as an "expert", appears to have his interview edited deceptively. He mentions that our atmosphere has a lot of
electrical energy, which is correct. We see it in thunderstorms and lightning and hurricanes, etc. He rightly says that there are many
thunderstorms occurring at any moment, on the planet. BUT, there is a fast cut to him then speaking about the ionosphere....it is disjointed, and
obviously meant to fool the audience. This is not Flanagan's fault, it is the editing.
The deception is the apparent "link" to the lower atmosphere (the troposphere, here we live, and where all weather occurs) to the ionosphere. His
words later, seem out of context too....when he says "create a trigger effect". It is absolutely NOT true that the ionosphere can "trigger"
weather in the troposphere. Either he meant to say that (and he is a fool) or, he was again edited to make it appear he meant something he did not
So, no.....not only does the ionosphere not affect weather, neither can HAARP:
The HAARP facility will not affect the weather. Transmitted energy in the frequency ranges that will be used by HAARP is not absorbed in either
the troposphere or the stratosphere - the two levels of the atmosphere that produce the earth's weather. Electromagnetic interactions only occur in
the near-vacuum of the rarefied region above about 70 km known as the ionosphere.
The ionosphere is created and continuously replenished as the sun's radiation interacts with the highest levels of the Earth's atmosphere. The
downward coupling from the ionosphere to the stratosphere/troposphere is extremely weak, and no association between natural ionospheric
variability and surface weather and climate has been found, even at the extraordinarily high levels of ionospheric turbulence that the sun can
produce during a geomagnetic storm. If the ionospheric storms caused by the sun itself don't affect the surface weather, there is no chance
that HAARP can do so either.
Finally, still in the FIRST 5 minutes......Brooks Agnew. @4:05.
He tells his cute story about looking for natural gas.....then, his claim of HAARP's output of "one billion watts"??
Pure, unadulterated lie.
The actual maximum output of HAARP is 3.6 million watts. That is less than one percent of one billion. It is 0.36%.
The HF transmitter system is able to produce approximately 3.6 million Watts of radio frequency power. However, the HAARP transmitters have been
designed to operate very linearly (in Class AB mode) so that they will not produce radio interference to other users of the radio spectrum. To achieve
that degree of linearity, the transmitters operate at an efficiency of only about 45 %.
So, when seeking to understand science, it is best to turn to real science....not claims from ill-informed people who either have an agenda (usually
fear-mongering, for their own personal profit in some way) -- or are unwittingly shilling for the ones who are furthering disinformation, as mentioned
for their own agendas.
Getting to the level of knowledge means to wade through tons of ignorance along the way.