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World Jewish Population Curiosities

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posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 08:54 PM
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How many Jews are there in the world? I have always been curious about these numbers. This thread has nothing to do with the Holocaust or whether or not it happened, or to what degree it happened, or anything else that can be labeled anti-Semitic. It is just about the Jewish population and the growth rate percentages and how they seem to be a bit odd to me. Let me explain the numbers…

From 1882 to 1900 Jewish growth 3,000,000 (18 years)
1900 to 1914 Jewish growth 3,000,000 (14 years)
1914 to 1922 Jewish growth 1,000,000 (8 years)
1922 to 1925 Jewish growth 1,000,000 (3 years)
1925 to 1939 Jewish growth 2,000,000 (14 years)
1939 to 1945 Jewish growth (-) 6,000,000 (6 years)
1945 to 1948 Jewish growth 500,000 (3 years)
1948 to 1950 Jewish growth (-) 200,000 (2 years)
1950 to 1955 Jewish growth 500,000 (5 years)
1955 to 1960 Jewish growth 250,000 (5 years)
1960 to 1970 Jewish growth 500,000 (10 years)
1970 to 1980 Jewish growth 225,000 (10 years)
1980 to 1990 Jewish growth 50,000 (10 years)
1990 to 2000 Jewish growth 30,000 (10 years)
2000 to 2005 Jewish growth 130,000 (5 years)
2005 to 2006 Jewish growth 75,000 (1 year)
2006 to 2007 Jewish growth 160,000 (1 year)
2007 to 2008 Jewish growth (0) (1 year)
2008 to 2009 Jewish growth 80,000 (1 year)
2009 to 2010 Jewish growth 75,000 (1 year)


World Population


Year
Estimated Jewish Population
1882
7,800,000
1900
10,600,000
1914
13,500,000
1922
14,400,000
1925
14,800,000
1939
16,728,000
1945
11,000,000
1948
11,500,000
1950
11,297,000
1955
11,800,000
1960
12,079,000
1970
12,585,000
1980
12,819,000
1990
12,868,000
2000
12,900,000
2005
13,032,600
2006
13,102,100
2007
13,261,700
2008
13,261,700
2009
13,348,000
2010
13,428,300



Here is what is most curious to me:

From 1882 to 1914 (32 years) Jewish population grew by 6 million.
From 1945 to 2012 (67 years) Jewish population grew by 2.5 million.

Most would likely say, well the holocaust killed 6 million of them so they had less to reproduce with. That is an incorrect point of reference considering after the Holocaust there were still 11 million jews to reproduce. In 1882 there were only 7.8 million jews and their growth rate went from 7.8 million to 13.5 million in the following 30 years.

Either Jewish population growth is insanely inconsistent for no obvious reason, or the numbers are fabricated.
I know that the culture of keeping the race pure for marriages and children hasn’t waivered over the years, but the ability to reproduce seems to have been stifled.

The average growth rate by country is about 3%. Using that statistic, over the past 70 years, the jewish race should have increased by 21,000,000. Bringing the total population to around 35,000,000. However, the jewish population remains at 13 mill and some change.

Are there any obvious reasons for this that I can’t see yet?

With past reproductive habits, shouldn't Jewish population growth rates continued to increase steadily? Not to mention that childhood death has decreased significantly in recent years, but the numbers don't seem to reflect that.

Moreover, countries that factor their growth rate consider death, birth, immigration, and a few other factors. However, with the jewish race, I am factoring the race not the culture/country, so the country's population is not considered.

I have no opinion, or best guess to this curiosity, which is why I am making a thread on the subject. Could the numbers be right (for whatever odd reason), or are the numbers wrong for whatever reason?

AAC




posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 09:29 PM
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Interesting information to be sure, but Jews are not a race. Jews are a people who practice Hebrew/Judaism. It would be the same if 98% of the Irish were Catholic, Irish would not be a race and again, the same for Arabs who practice Islam. Race is generally denoted by apparent differences in outward appearance, that being the case I suppose men and women are of a different race. I would posit this simply because the genetic differences and difference in appearance between men and women of any culture is far greater than the difference between men from different cultures/locations or women from different cultures/locations. Anyway, back to jews and arabs....

Search
From the NY Times
Daniel Pipes
Karger on Neuro-epidemiology

Seems like more similarities genetically and appearance-wise with arabs to me.

Cheers - Dave
edit on 3/4.2012 by bobs_uruncle because: oops



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
How many Jews are there in the world?


I dunno, WHO really cares?

Most people couldnt care less, or would say TOO MANY.

edit on 4-3-2012 by HangTheTraitors because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 09:44 PM
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I find it impossipe to believe that in 2007-2008 the population growth was zero. That is ridiculous. The odds of that being accurate defies common sense, no one could calculate that precisely let alone for it to actually happen.

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posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 09:47 PM
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Well, what sources and documents are these historical estimates of the Jewish population based upon ?

If you're querying a ''discrepancy'' in the figures between the 1880s and the early 1900s, then your best bet would be to find out how the publication collected the data, and subsequently extrapolated it to form these figures.



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 09:51 PM
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Very interesting thread.
I agree with you the points that you have brought up.
One would think that the population would have grown more percentage wise.



Are there any obvious reasons for this that I can’t see yet?


Yeah, the Zionists are lying to the world again.
They want to keep playing the guilt card on us all.

I think the numbers are off, as their a two type's of jews nowaday's.
I think the numbers are only counting the ordinary Jewish folks and there not counting The self proclaimed superior ZIONIST jews As there are more and more of them these day's.



This thread has nothing to do with the Holocaust or whether or not it happened, or to what degree it happened, or anything else that can be labeled anti-Semitic.


Again I agree but I bet you the ZIONIST will be here soon to disagree with you and your facts and they will call you anti-semitic anyway.

S&F

edit on 4-3-2012 by WozaMeathed because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 09:59 PM
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This is going well.



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 10:01 PM
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I love data but it is not reality, only information gathered to certain criteria. And I think as mentioned in some posts here, the criteria hasn't been fulfilled by many of jewish descent.



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 10:02 PM
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Total population of Germany in 1940 was 66million. Jews made up 1% of that population which would be around 600,000. So the real question is how do you get 10 million killed in a country that only had 600,000. Next Germany killed 20 million Russians why did they not have to pay reparations to Russia? Japan killed 30 million Chinese why did they not have to pay reparations to China? To quote and hip hop song " Hey Girlfriend, things that make you go hmmmmm"



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 10:03 PM
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Relevance to this topic = ?



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by WozaMeathed


Again I agree but I bet you the ZIONIST will be here soon to disagree with you and your facts and they will call you anti-semitic anyway.


Only certain members are permitted to post on this thread I supposed.

Would you like to be appointed to be in charge of identifying who may or may not participate?

Wouldn't want anyone who disagrees with you to post here. They might be THE ZIONIST!

Capitalizing the term makes it appear far more threatening.

Watch... I'll demonstrate...

SCARY MAN WITH KNIFE... far worse than scary man with knife.

Cool.

edit on Mar 4th 2012 by Djarums because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 10:15 PM
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The reason this interests me is because the culture of Judaism is based in special qualities. Having a lower number benefits the idea of 'special' in my opinion. So with this being said, I would assume an effort to protect this quality would exist.

Also, the numbers seem odd.

AAC
edit on 4-3-2012 by AnAbsoluteCreation because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 10:29 PM
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From 1882 to 1914 (32 years) Jewish population grew by 6 million.
From 1945 to 2012 (67 years) Jewish population grew by 2.5 million.


If this anomaly is because of neglected record-keeping or some other semantical issue that explains it, that's fine by me. But in the case that this is something more than that, I would be interested to know why.

AAC



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by Djarums

Originally posted by WozaMeathed


Again I agree but I bet you the ZIONIST will be here soon to disagree with you and your facts and they will call you anti-semitic anyway.


Only certain members are permitted to post on this thread I supposed.


No didn't say that , did I? Why assume?



Would you like to be appointed to be in charge of identifying who may or may not participate?

Once again NO, you seem to be doing a bad enough job at it so you can keep you biased eye on it.


Wouldn't want anyone who disagrees with you to post here. They might be THE ZIONIST!



Great rebutal mate, would you mind discussing the topic.


Capitalizing
the term makes it appear far more threatening.

Watch... I'll demonstrate...

SCARY MAN WITH KNIFE... far worse than scary man with knife.

Cool.


Yeah And i will demonstrate for you, MODS, MODS are even scarey than a man with a knife as you cant speak back to them.



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by WozaMeathed


No didn't say that , did I? Why assume?


Before anyone even said anything you immediately jumped out with a "oh the zionists are coming" statement.



Once again NO, you seem to be doing a bad enough job at it so you can keep you biased eye on it.


A bad enough job at what?

Someone presented a topic and the first thing you did was decide for everyone that anyone who might disagree with elements of the OP is doing something wrong. This is a discussion forum. Why are you trying to preempt certain people from participating?


Yeah And i will demonstrate for you, MODS, MODS are even scarey than a man with a knife as you cant speak back to them.


Gotcha... so now not only have you preempted people from speaking if they disagree with your viewpoint but apparently I as a member here for coming up on 10 years can't disagree either simply because I volunteer my time here.

Thank you for the clarification.



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 10:43 PM
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I hope you were knocking on an oak tree when you came in to post that.

On topic, I am curious how this information was gathered. First, the info from Israel is always questionable, because every bit of information they give is calculated. It's just a fact, they are very secretive. All the rest of the Jews in the world, well how do you know? They are scattered about.



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 11:03 PM
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I think it is very risky to take such data to be perfectly accurate.

These types of surveys are usually other comprised of estimates or are based on the replies of those who receive a phone call - or in the earlier days of the survey a mailing.

Problems with this would include estimates being wrong, primarily those that are geographically based, and even more so, the earlier dates of this survey were conducted at a time where many people would absolutely refuse to be publicly identified as Jewish.

The numbers would then appear to be VERY rough estimates for those and other reasons, and it's difficult to build any theories off of the data.

I have no doubt that the topic is an interesting one, but the data is severely lacking.

Perhaps not in 2012, but in the late 19th century?



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 11:11 PM
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Either Jewish population growth is insanely inconsistent for no obvious reason, or the numbers are fabricated


I think they might be fabricated for African Americans too. At least when I lived in San Antonio their population seemed to be exploding but the census says they are barely growing.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 12:24 AM
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posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 01:11 AM
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Settle down with the language mate. No need for it here, just because you feel offended. Who cares about the population of any ethnicity anyway. For crying out loud, people just find anything to argue about here.



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