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posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 02:21 AM
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Wow, I just noticed what you did up there. You twisted scripture. That verse doesn't say no one can interpret scripture, it says 'no PROPHECY of scripture is of private interpretation."

Did you remember Jesus saying this:

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." ~ John 16:13




posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 07:07 AM
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That's weird, because Paul details it specifically in 1 Corinthians chapter 15. That's still an accepted book on your list correct?
What is "weird" is your inability to comprehend simple principles of language, like how one word can be used different ways.
Take a look at a dictionary, where for a given word, there may be several definitions, separated from each other by listing them under ascending numbers, as in, 1, 2, 3, and on, depending on how many definitions that word may have.
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posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 07:18 AM
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What is this fundamental law and how do you keep it?

Foundational principles which form the basis for a more formal, written law.
Similar to natural law when it is applied in a Christian context.

Classically, natural law refers to the use of reason to analyze human nature -- both social and personal -- and deduce binding rules of moral behavior.
en.wikipedia.org...
The way it is kept is by having a change in how yourself as a person functions in life, and that change is actualized by a life force that comes from above.



posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 07:53 AM
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Your study and experience do not trump mine, so stop with the attitude.

Um, yes, they do. I've followed your posts in the threads, and I know what your background was, remember? I know about your revelation. Now you are suddenly a holy-rolling zealot, first time out of the chute. I don't blame you, but I also recognize what I'm seeing...the novice in a frenzy of discovery.


Eucharistic miracles DO happen. Go to youtube or read news articles.
youtube or news articles? Are you serious? Those are your sources for proof?

Not all religions are true because they contradict each other. There's no multiple truths. That's simply postmodern nonsense. Either something is true or it is false. Also just because many are false does not mean all are.
I haven't got the slightest idea what you are trying to say here. It doesn't make sense. "Not all religions are true"...okay....."because they contradict each other."....right....they do....so they are all wrong...."There's no multiple truths".....well, yes there are multiple truths....and quantum mechanics is showing that all the time....."postmodern nonsense"....What? If you're talking about the last 600 years of discovery and advancement in understanding, I hardly think it's nonsense. That's absurd. If anything, people are only just now (possibly again, after having known and thrown back into primitive states of starting over after screwing it up) beginning to understand things that Martin Luther and King Henry VIII couldn't have imagined.

Is this frantic lashing-out about the Eucharist, still? Read sacgamer's post above. All Jesus meant was "pretend, or imagine, this is me, alive, my flesh and blood. When you do remember me, eat this bread and wine, and remember me living." He also didn't give them all sorts of hocus-pocus spells and incantations and gestures and turn the bread they were sharing into flesh; nor did he transform the wine into actual blood. He certainly did not "dissolve" there at the table into little bits of bite-size Jesus-flesh while his blood spurted into their cups.


You take every attempt to swipe at anyone who doesn't spout liberal nonsense. Why not address this question instead of acting high and mighty: If the Eucharist is symbolic, why do those documented miracles happen? Why do doctors find heart muscle in the wafer or the wafers dissolve into blood from time to time? Doesn't sound symbolic to me.
I just answered this. youtube and news articles are still just PEOPLE, men, talking. I've never heard of those claims.

[quoteCould it simply be that silly old rituals and superstition are true, regardless of "clever" people thinking otherwise?
Yes, it certainly could be that rituals and superstition represent something true...I was a practicing Wiccan for a time...I did the rituals, and asked the elementals for assistance. What you don't get is that the Catholic Church is just doing the same thing that was done for thousands of years before they were invented by Constantine's law. I have also studied Buddhism, and the Apostolic Succession that colbe is talking about is ALSO not something the RCC "invented".

The ancient mystics have always had "secret knowledge" that must be taught by oral tradition and not shared with the general public or the wanna-be bangers....the master must prove he is ready and reliable before he is given the proper vibraton for the mantra's utterance to affect the unseen. Read the Tibetan Book of the Dead rather than looking for youtube sources.

The RCC is mimicking much, much older rituals that developed over millenia...in gnostic and mystic faiths all over the world. I have no problem with sorcery....I have never doubted that humans have the capacity to affect the world in ways that the 5 senses can't percieve. Modern quantum physics even supports it, and I find that awesomely fabulous. The RCC is so far behind the times it's laughable. The problem I have with the RCC is that they are still able to get people to ignore the vast amounts of information that is freely available.


Do you understand that colbe could be doing a HUGE favor? The price of hell is a big thing to bear for being wrong. Why did you enter this thread if you didn't want hear people to argue about why Catholicism is true? You say the Eucharist (a pillar of faith) is false and then when people bring up reasons it is true you ignore or tell people to mind their own business. But you always have the time to be condescending though, even if you have nothing substantial to add. It seems all you come to do is praise people who agree with you and swipe at others.
This shows your inability to discuss, as well as a failure to look at your own behavior or recognize your own arrogant and self-righteous zeal.
Very Christ-like little "assault and battery" there.



posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 08:04 AM
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Here's a little reminder for you that others have plenty PUHLENTY of knowledge that goes deep and far beyond your exposure to these matters.

Why won't the RCC keep up?

Why can't you accept that you don't know the truth? I know I don't. But I know enough about history, and magical rituals, and mysticism, and the evolution of belief systems by humans in general to be sure that the Roman Catholic Church is NOT the one true way. If by no other evidence than the completely abhorrent behavior of their leaders.

Anything that is TRUTH will be evident to everyone. There won't be any "secrets" about it. It is the gift to everyone from the Divine. If somebody tells me "No, you can't learn that stuff, since you have a uterus and not a penis and you represent the downfall of all humanity. We reject you. We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." why would I still come a-knocking? I don't go banging on Freemason's doors asking to be let in. The message is clear. No women. Okay. So....I'll not intrude where I'm unwelcome, I'll find another way to get to the truth.

Instead, I believe we ALL have the ability to interact with the Divine, because we ALL have the Holy Spirit within us. One must find it within, by turning within, privately, not boastfully or publicly or with pomp and circumstance. Just as Jesus said. "You are all gods."

That is the truth he spoke, in my "PO".
And by the way, colbe and 547000, THE TRUTH IS NOT DETERMINED BY A SHOW OF HANDS.

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posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 09:25 AM
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Who is PO, that's not some new name for Jesus is it?

Why didn't we get the memo?

I believe he means "Personal Opinion".... took me awhile to figure it out, too. When he said everyone's got one I figured it out.

We don't "get the memo" because we're hell-bound sinners who are unworthy so much as to pick up the crumbs under THEIR big guy's table....and we have critical thinking skills. That's why we aren't on the mailing list. They don't want to eat with Pharisees, you know...."good" Christians (a self-appointment to begin with) refuse to have anything to do with the "bad ones" (deemed so by said self-appointed "good" ones) unless it's to shame, hurt, and deride them.

Quickest way to turn someone off, you know. They'll learn, eventually, maybe. Or not.
To each his own journey.
To them I say: How about, I'll stay off your path if you'll stay off mine. I have a map, too, and I'm further into the territory (which, of course, causes us to remember: The Map Is Not The Territory.)

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posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 09:40 AM
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Ladidah, this reflects on your character. Multiple times I asked about the miracles and only when you had some way to swipe you replied, ignoring the substance in my post. What does that say about you? What is your purpose in this thread other than to zealously declare that no one has the truth and traditional religion is wrong? You even called me a "sheep". What does this reflect about you, supposedly more matured and learned? Your zeal against objective truth is staggering. You only bitch and moan when people claim to have truth. News articles are not evidence anymore? You won't even look at the evidence if it proves your gnostic fantasy wrong?

How very ZEN of you... I will be zealous if I want to. If we don't have zeal for the truth we are lukewarm. If you're so mature, why not just walk away instead of bragging and swiping at people? I can be forgiven for my shortcomings.
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posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

That's weird, because Paul details it specifically in 1 Corinthians chapter 15. That's still an accepted book on your list correct?
What is "weird" is your inability to comprehend simple principles of language, like how one word can be used different ways.
Take a look at a dictionary, where for a given word, there may be several definitions, separated from each other by listing them under ascending numbers, as in, 1, 2, 3, and on, depending on how many definitions that word may have.


That's true for ENGLISH, not GREEK, you should know how ridiculously precise and rigid Greek definitions and sentence structure are. Verbs alone must meet 5 conditions to even be used in a sentence. Greek has 5 different words translated as "love" in English.

English is hella fuzzy, NOT Greek. Logic fail, try again.


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posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 10:01 AM
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Haha, thanks for that. I got close with Google, I saw in the urban dictionary "Po" means "poor", wow, I was off. I was always under the impression, until I met Colbe and 547820145200, that we all worshiped the same Jesus who dies for the same sins of the world to reconcile us all to Him father in heaven. Sometimes presuppositions are hard to shed, but the hatred for us speaks so much louder than words ever could.

We DON'T worship the same Jesus. Their jesus is impotent to be an all-sufficient Savior of the world. Perhaps some heavenly holy Viagra is in order?



posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 10:03 AM
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I can be forgiven for my shortcomings.


I wish your jesus was big enough to forgive mine too.



posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 10:04 AM
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That's true for ENGLISH, not GREEK

Like I said, you have an inability to grasp the simplest concepts of language.
The grammatical morphology of Greek words do not have to do with the precision of the meanings as far as definitions go but how they modify the meanings of other words in a clause where they are found.
You have not read the book I suggested you should read before asking any more silly questions about the meaning of the word gospel.



posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 10:05 AM
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Hey..

Why are you quoting wiki up there ^^?

You told me before that wiki isn't "reliable".




posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 10:08 AM
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"Gospel" = "GOOD NEWS"


If I'm responsible for my own salvation, and maintaining my own salvation, that is NOT "good news".

Jesus said if I wanted to inherit heaven by my works I need to be "perfect, as my heavenly Father is perfect".

My resume doesn't have "perfect" stamped on it.

Does your's?



posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 10:10 AM
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Really, it's hatred to defend the Eucharist and Church of God? Scripture and history tell you that it is NOT symbolic. Even miracles happen from time to time say the same thing. Why do you consider it hatred to point out what scripture and tradition say?

You also said you would get baptized if I showed you it is necessary in scripture (which I did). Instead I have to hear conspiracy theories and lies about the Church and I retort back and now I have hatred? Of course I am mad. From my point of view it seems like no matter what arguments and evidence I am showing, no one will assent. Instead they will make up lies to avoid accepting that the Eucharist is NOT symbolic.



posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 10:18 AM
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You also said you would get baptized if I showed you it is necessary in scripture (which I did).


ALL I FEEL FROM YOU TWO IS HATRED. PERIOD.

No I didn't dude. I've already been baptized, once as a baby, I think it was kinda like a shampoo and rinsing though. Then again several years back, as I wanted to be baptized after I became a believer and realized what it meant and what I was doing.

Can you show me where infants are baptized in the Bible by any of the apostles? When I read scripture, (and this is PO of course which is basically the exact same thing as having a coc aine-fueled orgy with satan and the demons apparently), I can only see that the prerequisite was first belief in the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Why are you guys baptizing unbelievers into the faith?

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posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 10:18 AM
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Hey..

Why are you quoting wiki up there ^^?

You told me before that wiki isn't "reliable".
I did not "quote" anything, and it was just something I wrote down from what is common knowledge to people who do not ignore reality for the sake of living in a delusional world of religious correctness. (funny how you claim to hate religion. You must mean only other people's religion)
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posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 10:20 AM
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Yes you did dude. Do you see this part up there^^:



en.wikipedia.org...


Okay, I perceive I need to clarify my Q, why did you "source/link" wikipedia above? You told me before they aren't a "reliable" source.

Today they are apparently?

EDIT: Okay, i just clicked your wiki link/source and you DID "quote" the page! You are a liar jm. The portion you DID quote from wiki is the first sentence. SHAME ON YOU!

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posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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"Gospel" = "GOOD NEWS"


If I'm responsible for my own salvation, and maintaining my own salvation, that is NOT "good news".

Jesus said if I wanted to inherit heaven by my works I need to be "perfect, as my heavenly Father is perfect".

My resume doesn't have "perfect" stamped on it.

Does your's?
I don't see any purpose to this line of questioning other than a personal attack on me, so I wish you would stop your bullying behavior.



posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 10:23 AM
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No, you feel anger, not hatred. I don't hate you, but I am angry that so many people would rather make up lies about the Church than accept the truth.

Would you read this article?

Peter baptized WHOLE families, not children later.



posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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"Gospel" = "GOOD NEWS"


If I'm responsible for my own salvation, and maintaining my own salvation, that is NOT "good news".

Jesus said if I wanted to inherit heaven by my works I need to be "perfect, as my heavenly Father is perfect".

My resume doesn't have "perfect" stamped on it.

Does your's?
I don't see any purpose to this line of questioning other than a personal attack on me, so I wish you would stop your bullying behavior.


You sir are the epitome of irony.

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