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Originally posted by colbe
Comparing similarities between paganism and Catholicism is stupid.
Christianity is not the same as paganism.
How about the fact that Yahushua('jesus') honored all the Feasts of Torah and so did the Apostles?
Originally posted by mosheh24
Originally posted by colbe
Comparing similarities between paganism and Catholicism is stupid.
Christianity is not the same as paganism.
Clearly someone is lacking some research to make such claims, Lonewolf pretty much summed it up.
All one has to do is research the origins of 'Christmas' and they will clearly see just how Pagan it really is, that's of course if they can break the Brainwashing spell of the 'Church' to open the eyes to see it.
How about 'Easter'?
How about 'Sun-day' sabbath?
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by colbe
The definitive book on the matter is "A Woman Rides the Beast" by Dave Hunt. And "Mystery babylon" is not just Catholicism, it's any religious institution that originated from occultic Babylon. Modeled after their "father, son, queen of heaven" model after Nimrod, Tammuz, and Simiramus. When the Babylonians were captured by the Medes and Persians the pagan priests went to Pergamus, when Greece conqured then went to Athens and taught Greek mythology, when conqured by Rome they went to Rome and taught the same stuff to Rome. When Constantine's 2nd successor made Christianity the state religion of Rome the pagan priests on the government payroll removed their amulets and charms and put on crosses and kept teaching the same dogma just with a Christian flair.
Now instead of Nimrod, Tammuz, and Simaramus the Catholic Church has "The Father, the Son, and Mother Mary".
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by colbe
The definitive book on the matter is "A Woman Rides the Beast" by Dave Hunt. And "Mystery babylon" is not just Catholicism, it's any religious institution that originated from occultic Babylon. Modeled after their "father, son, queen of heaven" model after Nimrod, Tammuz, and Simiramus. When the Babylonians were captured by the Medes and Persians the pagan priests went to Pergamus, when Greece conqured then went to Athens and taught Greek mythology, when conqured by Rome they went to Rome and taught the same stuff to Rome. When Constantine's 2nd successor made Christianity the state religion of Rome the pagan priests on the government payroll removed their amulets and charms and put on crosses and kept teaching the same dogma just with a Christian flair.
Now instead of Nimrod, Tammuz, and Simaramus the Catholic Church has "The Father, the Son, and Mother Mary".
Originally posted by The GUT
Yeah, I'll stay out of the Catholic/Paganism debate.
I will ask you, as a fellow believer, do you think the Catholic Church is a reflection of the first century church? I don't think so.
The average Catholic is a very good person willing to help others. I personally think Catholics are Christians, although I know quite a few "Christians" who believe otherwise.
On the other hand I think some--or even all--of the Popes and other "leaders" are in some very real danger come judgement day.
Then again, so am I barring mercy.
Your zealouness is admirable, Colbe, but you don't seem all that familiar with the Bible when it comes to Catholicism and your eagerness to accept some modern folk as Prophets.
Originally posted by colbe
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by colbe
The definitive book on the matter is "A Woman Rides the Beast" by Dave Hunt. And "Mystery babylon" is not just Catholicism, it's any religious institution that originated from occultic Babylon. Modeled after their "father, son, queen of heaven" model after Nimrod, Tammuz, and Simiramus. When the Babylonians were captured by the Medes and Persians the pagan priests went to Pergamus, when Greece conqured then went to Athens and taught Greek mythology, when conqured by Rome they went to Rome and taught the same stuff to Rome. When Constantine's 2nd successor made Christianity the state religion of Rome the pagan priests on the government payroll removed their amulets and charms and put on crosses and kept teaching the same dogma just with a Christian flair.
Now instead of Nimrod, Tammuz, and Simaramus the Catholic Church has "The Father, the Son, and Mother Mary".
NTT,
Your two sentence history of Christianity makes me laugh. Protestants constantly repeat the same using one man's name only because there is no Protestant history until 1517! Like no one realizes...
And you still can't figure, where is the "ministerial priesthood" in Protestantism? A priest offers sacrifice. Where is the "continual sacrifice"
offered in Protestant New Covenant Christianity?
Not very "definitive", Dave Hunts book says the same as Woodrow's
book only Woodrow won't take a dime now because he realizes he was
wrong. tee hee...
Oh my gosh, it's not two, it's one sentence. Oops, you forgot in your
extensive history, a crucifix is Catholic, a "cross" is Protestant. Another
way to distance themselves from the faith. Rather insulting to Christ.
Christians celebrate Our Lord's rising from the dead, yes! It should be celebrated. It has nothing do with paganism. And Our Lord arose on Sunday, as prophesied in Scripture, God wasn't pleased, the Sabbath would be changed. And it happened, to honor Our Lord's Resurrection
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by colbe
Christians celebrate Our Lord's rising from the dead, yes! It should be celebrated. It has nothing do with paganism. And Our Lord arose on Sunday, as prophesied in Scripture, God wasn't pleased, the Sabbath would be changed. And it happened, to honor Our Lord's Resurrection
Nowhere in the bible does it say Jesus changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Youre stating your own opinion as fact and that is conjecture. Youre taking this from when the apostles saw him the day he arose they fell down and worshipped him, but this was from the joy of seeing him risen and alive, not because he changed the sabbath.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by colbe
Christians celebrate Our Lord's rising from the dead, yes! It should be celebrated. It has nothing do with paganism. And Our Lord arose on Sunday, as prophesied in Scripture, God wasn't pleased, the Sabbath would be changed. And it happened, to honor Our Lord's Resurrection
Nowhere in the bible does it say Jesus changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Youre stating your own opinion as fact and that is conjecture. Youre taking this from when the apostles saw him the day he arose they fell down and worshipped him, but this was from the joy of seeing him risen and alive, not because he changed the sabbath.
Originally posted by colbe
reply to post by curious7
"I wasn't mocking at all, I'm just trying to show you that you're completely wrong. You can believe in Catholicism, that's fine, good for you. Just like others can believe in Judaism, Islam, Scientology, whatever speaks to them best."
Curious7,
I apologize to you. "Mocking" was not the right word. I felt "hell bent" was harsh. Your words underlined...
Relativism is believing whatever a person finds to be true, is true. How
is that? God's revealed one plan so all those personal beliefs amount
to zip. They might contain a tiny bit of God's plan for His creation by
why accept so little? You are limited, waylaid, so you could easily lose your soul.
The world has gone so far away from God that He in this time will attempt
to bring us back to Him. Prophecy does not say Our Lord is
returning "soon" to tell the world, all is fine, you can believe what you want. And imagine Protestantism...which of the 38,000 sects in Protestantism is Christ going to reveal to the world to be His true Church?
Nonsense, a house divided falls. Prophecy, Scripture, the saints are explicit about God's end time plan. The Protestant prophetic is gently
preparing our brothers and sisters, if God spelled it out to them now,
they pridefully would reject their own prophecy. It has to be something major and it's going to be. It's the Second Pentecost but worldwide this time.
I am saying....that's what the messages, Protestant and Catholic state.
Originally posted by WarminIndy
Originally posted by colbe
reply to post by curious7
"I wasn't mocking at all, I'm just trying to show you that you're completely wrong. You can believe in Catholicism, that's fine, good for you. Just like others can believe in Judaism, Islam, Scientology, whatever speaks to them best."
Curious7,
I apologize to you. "Mocking" was not the right word. I felt "hell bent" was harsh. Your words underlined...
Relativism is believing whatever a person finds to be true, is true. How
is that? God's revealed one plan so all those personal beliefs amount
to zip. They might contain a tiny bit of God's plan for His creation by
why accept so little? You are limited, waylaid, so you could easily lose your soul.
The world has gone so far away from God that He in this time will attempt
to bring us back to Him. Prophecy does not say Our Lord is
returning "soon" to tell the world, all is fine, you can believe what you want. And imagine Protestantism...which of the 38,000 sects in Protestantism is Christ going to reveal to the world to be His true Church?
Nonsense, a house divided falls. Prophecy, Scripture, the saints are explicit about God's end time plan. The Protestant prophetic is gently
preparing our brothers and sisters, if God spelled it out to them now,
they pridefully would reject their own prophecy. It has to be something major and it's going to be. It's the Second Pentecost but worldwide this time.
I am saying....that's what the messages, Protestant and Catholic state.
Is God absolute or not? Are His words absolute or not? If God is absolute truth, then no man can determine what those interpretations are because man is not absolute. Pope Benedict did away with Limbo, even though Limbo was once considered absolute. So therefore, the Catholic system does not speak to absolutes and cannot administer absolutes.
The Catholic church simply tells you it is the truth, and the Catholic bishops, archbishops and popes merely hold people within a non-absolute, keeping the followers from experiencing the absolute knowledge of God Himself.
The Catholic system is not, nor has it ever been, nor will it ever be an outward expression of God, because to have an outward expression, you must have an inward experience. Does Christ dwell within you as He has said He will? Christ said, He will abide in us, and we in Him. If you say the Eucharist is an outward expression by transubstantiation, then you fail to grasp the concept of Christ abiding within you, the believer. Christ does not abide in the Eucharist, it is eaten and consumed then passed through the body. Therefore, it is not an abiding, and is against the very teaching of Christ Himself.
Originally posted by colbe
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by colbe
Christians celebrate Our Lord's rising from the dead, yes! It should be celebrated. It has nothing do with paganism. And Our Lord arose on Sunday, as prophesied in Scripture, God wasn't pleased, the Sabbath would be changed. And it happened, to honor Our Lord's Resurrection
Nowhere in the bible does it say Jesus changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Youre stating your own opinion as fact and that is conjecture. Youre taking this from when the apostles saw him the day he arose they fell down and worshipped him, but this was from the joy of seeing him risen and alive, not because he changed the sabbath.
Exodus 31:12-18, "And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, [the children of Israel here have the meaning of the blood descendants of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, the twelve tribes, literally], "saying, Verily My Sabbaths ye shall keep: FOR IT IS A SIGN BETWEEN ME AND YOU THROUGHOUT YOUR GENERATIONS. This Sabbath he gave to the house of Israel to set them apart from the other nations. When Christ purchased you with his blood by your belief in him you were adopted into the royal family making you brothers and sisters and not slaves to them. If you make the Messiah your King, then you should do as he did, and follow his ways, not the ways of the pagans. Yeshua celebrated the jewish feastdays. In fact early christians kept the Saturday Sabbath until around 325 A.D. when Constantine and Eusebius changed it to Sunday worship and put it into law. For 300+ years christians both jew and gentile worshipped and kept the Saturday sabbath. They did not celebrate the birth of Mithra on December 25th, they didn't celebrate the birth of the Messiah period because his death was what was important, his death and resurrection. Before Pope Gregory instituted the Gregorian Calendar that we have now Christians celebrated their holidays on the same days the jewish feastdays fell on. Yeshua was crucified on Nisan 16 (april 1 or 3) and on that night was the eve passover in which the Paschal Feast began. The Gregorian Calendar shifted our holidays over about a week and our holidays landed on pagan festivals because thats what the Popes pretending to be melchizidek wanted. Ofcourse i put all this on my first post that you ignore because you refuse to see the truth and so doing you bind yourself up in lies and wed yourself to Satan. You cannot serve other elohim and serve El at the same time he will not accept this and he tells you this in the Torah (5 books of Moses). El is unchanging, having a new book and Yeshua's sacrifice does not change his ways. The whole point of Repenting is to turn from your wicked ways and no longer sin, not relentlessly keep sinning because youre too stubborn to see whats been put in front of your face by someone who loves you enough to show you the truth as opposed to letting you perish in ignorance. If you do not believe me fine, do your own research but for the love of God stop accepting what your priests tell you like it from the mouth of God.edit on 5-3-2012 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by colbe
Originally posted by WarminIndy
Originally posted by colbe
reply to post by curious7
"I wasn't mocking at all, I'm just trying to show you that you're completely wrong. You can believe in Catholicism, that's fine, good for you. Just like others can believe in Judaism, Islam, Scientology, whatever speaks to them best."
Curious7,
I apologize to you. "Mocking" was not the right word. I felt "hell bent" was harsh. Your words underlined...
Relativism is believing whatever a person finds to be true, is true. How
is that? God's revealed one plan so all those personal beliefs amount
to zip. They might contain a tiny bit of God's plan for His creation by
why accept so little? You are limited, waylaid, so you could easily lose your soul.
The world has gone so far away from God that He in this time will attempt
to bring us back to Him. Prophecy does not say Our Lord is
returning "soon" to tell the world, all is fine, you can believe what you want. And imagine Protestantism...which of the 38,000 sects in Protestantism is Christ going to reveal to the world to be His true Church?
Nonsense, a house divided falls. Prophecy, Scripture, the saints are explicit about God's end time plan. The Protestant prophetic is gently
preparing our brothers and sisters, if God spelled it out to them now,
they pridefully would reject their own prophecy. It has to be something major and it's going to be. It's the Second Pentecost but worldwide this time.
I am saying....that's what the messages, Protestant and Catholic state.
Is God absolute or not? Are His words absolute or not? If God is absolute truth, then no man can determine what those interpretations are because man is not absolute. Pope Benedict did away with Limbo, even though Limbo was once considered absolute. So therefore, the Catholic system does not speak to absolutes and cannot administer absolutes.
The Catholic church simply tells you it is the truth, and the Catholic bishops, archbishops and popes merely hold people within a non-absolute, keeping the followers from experiencing the absolute knowledge of God Himself.
The Catholic system is not, nor has it ever been, nor will it ever be an outward expression of God, because to have an outward expression, you must have an inward experience. Does Christ dwell within you as He has said He will? Christ said, He will abide in us, and we in Him. If you say the Eucharist is an outward expression by transubstantiation, then you fail to grasp the concept of Christ abiding within you, the believer. Christ does not abide in the Eucharist, it is eaten and consumed then passed through the body. Therefore, it is not an abiding, and is against the very teaching of Christ Himself.
WarminIndy,
Why are you bringing up the Eucharist and your denial that the RCC is and proclaims she is the true faith, the one and only Church Jesus established? You're Protestant that's why. Stay on topic. You can't cause you see in the OP the anti-Catholic author realized the Truth.
The thread is about dispelling the Protestant objection, the faith, the RCC is pagan based.
Discuss the Scriptural (Bible Alone...tee hee) examples Woodrow gave instead.
Originally posted by WarminIndy
Is God absolute or not? Are His words absolute or not? If God is absolute truth, then no man can determine what those interpretations are because man is not absolute. Pope Benedict did away with Limbo, even though Limbo was once considered absolute. So therefore, the Catholic system does not speak to absolutes and cannot administer absolutes.
The Catholic church simply tells you it is the truth, and the Catholic bishops, archbishops and popes merely hold people within a non-absolute, keeping the followers from experiencing the absolute knowledge of God Himself.
The Catholic system is not, nor has it ever been, nor will it ever be an outward expression of God, because to have an outward expression, you must have an inward experience. Does Christ dwell within you as He has said He will? Christ said, He will abide in us, and we in Him. If you say the Eucharist is an outward expression by transubstantiation, John 6:57 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him., the believer. Christ does not abide in the Eucharist, it is eaten and consumed then passed through the body. Therefore, it is not an abiding, and is against the very teaching of Christ Himself.
Originally posted by colbe
Originally posted by WarminIndy
John 6:57
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him.