WAR: Web Site Says Zarqawi Group Kills American Hostage UPDATE: Video on Web Site Shows Behead, page 3
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reply posted on 21-9-2004 @ 02:23 AM by doctorduh
Originally posted by curme
The problem is Saddam Hussein. He's running around free, and we can't catch him. Don't believe me?



The leader of the opposition Northern Alliance, Masood, lay dead, his murder ordered by Saddam Hussein



Saddam Hussein, if he's alive, is spending a whale of a lot of time trying to not get caught. And we've not seen him on a video since 2001

Reuters

This was said on September 10, 2004, by our Secretary of Defense. Donald Rumsfeld. How can we catch the bastards who did this, when Donald is trying to catch, um, a guy we have already, and has no ties to al queda?


I think that ole Rummy just got confused and thought he was asked about Osama. Makes for an interesting quote or soundbite though doesn't it?

I'd like to take a moment and say I respect ATS/NN for taking the links to the video off the thread. I'm not offended that anyone may want to view it, especially for intel/research reasons. But, I think that it should be acquired outside of this forum for those who wish to find and download it. This however is the perfect forum to discuss it so that those of us who don't wish to view can still understand the horrific and graphic nature of these acts of violence. So ritualistic and sacrificial.

I also saw that Se7en pointed out an adidis logo on some pants in the video. I thought I saw references to similar observations on attire in the other beheading related threads. This is obviously not standard jihad attire. Does this indicate that these are professional mercinaries or foriegners. Or both?
I can't stomach the videos but I'd like to know what other odd things have been noticed in retrospect to the killers and thier general appearance.

doctorduh





reply posted on 21-9-2004 @ 05:27 AM by asala

The Briton who is being held is from my home town ...I hate to think what his poor family must be going through.(and the US families too)



Well I know That the Britons son, brother, have been making appeals on TV for Tony Blair to give in to the demands.

Its heart breaking, And you know that Tony can’t really do anything and that giving in to the terrorists would just cause more kidnappings. My heart really goes out to these families,

skynews




'SAVE KEN, WE BEG YOU'

The family of the British hostage facing less than 24 hours to live in Iraq have begged Tony Blair to intervene.


They made the appeal after a video was posted on the internet showing a fellow captive of Ken Bigley being decapitated by his captors.

US officials confirmed they had recovered the body of Eugene Armstrong.

At the same time, the kidnappers set a new 24-hour deadline before they said they would kill the remaining hostages - another American, Jack Hensley, and British engineer Mr Bigley.

Mr Bigley's brother Philip said: "We feel absolutely helpless.

"If nothing is done then the two remaining hostages will die by the most horrific means.




reply posted on 21-9-2004 @ 05:27 AM by dotgov101
Originally posted by doctorduh

These people aren't going to the Sporting Goods store, picking out some color-coordinated fabrics and sewing their own uniforms. They're pretty poor and all the legal Army and Navy stores are closed. So having poor clothes makes them look even more authentic than running around in fatigues or Ali-Babba robes.


Do you know how expensive a pair of Adidas wind pants are? $40 retail in the United States. True, Adidas clothing are made in the far east, but to purchase them in the middle east costs at least 2 to 3 months of average citizens' pay. American sneakers cost twice as much. As a counterpoint, however, I know that Adidas clothing is made in sweatshops in India or Nepal..(?) I own the same pair of pants, and I'd grab them to tell ya, but my S/O thinks I'm crazy enough, and is currently asleep.

From what I know of Iraq, there are virtually no thrift shops or Wal-Marts. In lower and middle class families, clothing is passed down from family members, and traditional clothing is usually hand-made either by female family members or by purchasing it at the outdoor market, at a much cheaper rate than American logo'd clothing. I studied the Westernization of third-world countries, and in one of the books I read children and adults love English-logo'd shirts, but only a small fraction knew what the words said.

I had noticed the Western clothing on several of their beheading videos. I wondered why so-called freedom fighters would be wearing bold American brands. It is because FILMED beheadings are their assignments. Almost every human being photographed, filmed, or portraited wants to look their sunday-best. It is a middle-class show of wealth, and this shows us how well-funded they are.

They know their films will be seen my millions, and the clothing, video quality, and sound quality of the films have been slowly escalating with time. I don't think they figured the videos would reach us, as their culture has been suppressed from information for decades. They intended the United States Government to see it, and only them, but ta dah, with sites like those removed above, we all get the opportunity to see the worst of the worst of war...a civilian casualty from the United States.

To those posting that our soldiers are doing terrible things to the Iraqi civilians (which we sometimes do), remember that the Abu Gharib incidents received more mainstream coverage than the beheadings. All photographs were picked apart and shown to the general populace. Thankfully, this video wasn't. It's true proof that our media is censored, and it's videos such as this that show us why censorship can be a good thing. I never in my life thought I'd say it, but it's true.

Dot.

Edited for editing.

[edit on 21-9-2004 by dotgov101]


reply posted on 21-9-2004 @ 05:55 AM by taibunsuu
Haha, censorship is absolute #, pure and simple.

Let's censor beheadings, and then on to any scenes of violence. There's a nice clip of a US Abrams tank being destroyed by a recovered 500 # MK-82 dumb bomb I posted earlier. Let's censor that, too.

Why not censor out the whole war, and only show propaganda movies of innocent, brave Westerners fighting evil-doers?

You know that during Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, when Russians were resorting to mass bombing of civilians, that Soviet people thought Russians were going there and rebuilding churches and schools destroyed by American assasins and mercenaries.

These anonymous videos of beheadings shock the public. Shock being the operative word. They reduce your ability to think and only let you choose retaliation, which only helps the guerillas and further erodes your support base as you obliterate more civilians in the inevitable collateral damage. People have an interest in this - Nick Berg beheading thread is the most popular one on ATS. Let them see what we're honestly getting into over there so we can come to an honest opinion of what's going on.

Censorship... it's the worst idea ever and should be a curse word in a free society. If you aren't allowed data you can't come up with a sound opinion. "But it's for your own good." # that, an adult does not need a Big Brother telling them what they are adult enough to watch. "It only aids the insurgents." Uh-huh, just like terror bombing ever aided the perpetrators.


reply posted on 21-9-2004 @ 01:21 PM by ThunderCloud
Originally posted by Crakeur
Personally, I think it is time to stop posting the links to the videos. That last one was the last one I'll click.

I'd hate to have my death viewed across the internet by millions of people - unless I died in the midst of a mass slaughter of these bastards.


I've gotta disagree there. We need to see these horrific videos -- we need to see what it is we're fighting against, and we need to make sure that no one hides how barbaric these people actually are.

If I was killed like that, I'd want millions of people to see it -- that way the chances that the people that killed me would be "brought to justice" (the politically correct term for "killed") would greatly increase. Otherwise, I'd just end up as another statistic and they'd get away with doing that to me...

The fact that these people are kidnapping civilians working on rebuilding Iraq -- engineers, carpenters, translators, etc. -- as well as journalists who are simply reporting the story, illustrates that these are indeed terrorists, and that many of them are foreign, because they have a complete disregard for the Iraqi people. Heck, they're even kidnapping Iraqi civilians now! If they were actually Iraqi insurgents, they'd at least be fighting U.S. soldiers, and protecting the people buliding schools, hospitals, and electrical power plants, regardless of their nationality. These are truly sick and demented people, and, simply stated, these terrorists need to be killed. Or, "brought to justice," I should say...
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