the video is horrific but the sound is even worse. a warning to anyone watching it, turn off the volume.

Personally, I think it is time to stop posting the links to the videos. That last one was the last one I'll click.

I'd hate to have my death viewed across the internet by millions of people - unless I died in the midst of a mass slaughter of these bastards.

I agree, the sound is definitely the most chilling thing about that video. It really is a shame that people do this, especially to innocent people who aren't even fighting. Do these people have something against the people working over there or just no regard for human life?

The wife of one captive said that security for the workers in the week before their capture had become sporadic, they didn't turn up for duty.
Why wasn't alarm bells sounded, why was the security of these workers left open? The British should be consulted on security they have much more experience.

And another thing is why don't they target the websites and broadcastings stations to stop them from showing and promoteing their terrorism basicly close them down ?

unfortunately, you can't go and bomb al jazeera.

I do think that we should be taking a different approach. These people do not respond to conventional thinking. So it is time to hit them where it hurts. good bye mosques. good bye shrines. good bye wives. good bye kids. good bye middle east.

I still think the very best solution is to erect a massive electrified fence around the whole region (Israel too). Have one large pipeline coming out of the wall. Prior to sealing them all inside the wall, tell them to work it out. Let them know that, in the event the oil flow decreases even minimally, we will move in and take over the entire region.

Something that caught my eye was that one of the captures was wearing ADIDAS Pants. The logo was in frame just behind one of the hostage’s heads so if they hate America and Briton so much etc why was he wearing them if he was an alleged Al Qaeda member

"adidas America is a subsidiary of Germany-based adidas-Salomon AG"


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I feel sorry for the families of these older gentlemen it must be a horrific death and the sooner the gloves come off over there the better. I have no sympathy left for the islamic fundamentalist they should all be put down like rabid dogs. Use saddams tactics for weeding them out.

Originally posted by SE7EN
And another thing is why don't they target the websites and broadcastings stations to stop them from showing and promoteing their terrorism basicly close them down ?

Yeah I'd really, really prefer if this stuff wasn't shown this way. Can we censor real life some more, and maybe after we win the war show the atrocities in a much more humane way, perhaps in a PG-13 movie about brave Westerners fighting evil-doers?

Originally posted by Crakeur
Personally, I think it is time to stop posting the links to the videos.

I agree 110%. In my personal opinion, if someone wants to see it bad enough, they will find it, or find a way to get it. However, it is the right of everone to see it, if they want to. I believe that is one reason any links on ATSNN have been removed. It is hard enough for me personally to watch these videos and pick em' apart, but that is part of my responsibility on ATSNN in order to bring these events to everyone who does not wish to "Look" at it.

Nasty video, assuming it's legit

I agree, it is definitely a nasty video.

I sadly report that the video (found elsewhere) depicts an actual beheading. A friend of mine, who is a cardio-thoracic surgeon, has viewed it and stands behind this statement. My friend states that the sound is quite accurate as well as certain details of the image. I know that alot of speculation was going around about whether the execution of Nick Berg was staged (my friend agreed that it was dubious). However, this particular video looks legit to a trained professional.

I'd like to extend my condolences to Mr. Eugene Armstrong's family. Although this is a conspiracy discussion forum, lets please try to respect this gentleman's honor by refraining from talk of a "faked" execution.

I wonder how the United States will respond to this barbaric and vicious act?

MK


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The last three videos I have viewed, including this, the Quality of the video is tremendously better than those in the past. This is Legit. You can see "blood" pour all over the place.

I don't mean to sound callous, and my heart really does go out to the families of the victims of these kidnappings/beheadings, but the reason the insurgents continue to conduct these operations is precisely to incite feelings of horror in Westerners, and to fan the flames of radicalism in the fellaheen at home.

"Don't rise to the bait" is a phrase that comes to mind........the more publicity that these killings receive, the more it serves the purposes of the killers. Also, these victims are all civilian contracters who knew the risks ahead of time, but chose to take their chances for the sake of making a quick buck. They lost their bets, albeit at a high and horrible price.

We should do our best to publicly ignore these incidents. Say our own private prayers for the victims and their loved ones, but don't give the perpetrators the publicity that they crave and revel in.

Emotionally, I am tempted to say that we should continue to hunt down these animals, kill them in the most hideous way possible, and then broadcast the images of their deaths around the globe by all available media. I suppose that that is a perfect example of violence begetting violence, of which "eye for eye" mentality feeds the violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and has left us further than ever from a solution. Slaughtering your enemy may be emptionally satisfying, but rarely, if ever, provides a lasting solution (unless you genocidally kill them all, of course).

No, I think our best answer to these incidents is to ignore them to the greatest extent possible, establish a secure home-ruled Iraqi government, and withdraw on our own schedule, not anyone else's.

Of course, that's probably asking too much, especially of the press. They generally seem to want to highlight every failure and problem (I wonder why......perhaps we should ask Dan Rather and the folks down at CBS News).

I expect that these sort of killings will increase in frequency up to the November elections. After we know November's results we shall see the true mindset of the terrorist kidnapper/murderers by their actions.

BTW, regarding the video, beheadings are gruesome. Period. The poor Nepalese whose neck was halfway cut through and who bled to death while wheezing through a severed windpipe was pretty bad. I wouldn't want to start ranking beheadings according to the quality and grossness of the video/audio. "Especially bad" as opposed to "horrible" as opposed to "awful" just doesn't work, and it all plays back into the hands of the perpetrators.

that's as disturbing as I've ever seen. but the people jumping from the towers on September 11th have numbed me to graphic video. it just resolutes me to the fact you can't bargain with people like that. they're doing what they believe in. so you have to exterminate them.

Thank you for removing the video link.

I have analyzed and deconstructed many, many videos and images in the past, and this one was, by far, one of the more disturbing that I have seen. It is definitely not one to be seen by the general public.

I ran into my bathroom, shaking.

What makes it so horrid?

He was not drugged or in a stupor from being assaulted. He was very much aware of the circumstance he was in, and those b*stards took him by suprise in mid-sentence. I am so sorry for him and his wife.

Meanwhile, Saddam gets to hang out in a large room in one of his former palaces, "depressed and broken in spirit", tending to a garden three hours a day, reading books from a selection of a couple hundred donated by the Red Cross, eating MRE's AND two hot meals, being treated like the gold that he slaughtered masses of people to acquire. He refuses medical attention to his colon (who has ever heard of politcal prisoners getting colon treatments???), and gets to breathe more fresh air than I do every effing day. Heck, he even has dental coverage:



It just absolutely isses me off that their demands were to have two women freed from prison, women who were weapons specialists under Mr. Important's regime. Do they get knitting needles? Meanwhile, God knows how many American women are in foreign prisons and servitude. Does CNN air American citizens beheading Malaysians, Chinese, and African immigrants trying to make a life for themselves here? What a joke...

dot.

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This is my first time so bear with me. I have two questions... where do I learn how to do this - I'm completely lost! And question #2, I would like to know the web site of the beheading, but the link has been edited out of all the messages I found. Can anyone help me out?

we take them out with special ops. I cant belive that these sick mf's are doing stuff like this. It makes me want to cut there f***** heads off with my dull butter knife.

I say we fake a funeral cerimony of asama bin laden and gather them all together and drop a # lot of old stock ords. on them.


These extremists better not cross any crazy americans with guns.

I want to forgive these animals for what they are doing. because thats what the good book says, but these ashols are pissing me off....

Obviously they're going to say something like "Let our women out of the prison." This endears them to anyone who has a female relative or friend in Coalition-run prison. An obvious ploy. If the US was under foreign occupation, and you knew a female in prison, and you see on your own television foreigners torturing naked inmates, what are you going to think is happening to the imprisoned females, and what would you want to do to anyone associate with the Coalition? This is terrorism and propaganda that is designed to strike directly through all cultural barriers and impact you psychologically.

Simply viewing this video activates genetic survival programming embedded in your nervous system. The fear of decapitation is more psychological in nature. The throat-cutting generates a pure physiological response. Your body inherently recognizes the throat as one of the most vulnerable areas. Viewing the inability to protect throat from a knife puts you into a survival mode where you are less able to register and analyze information, and degrade your ability to think. You are in shock. What happens when you are in shock after injury or accident? You cannot think rationally without being trained to recognize shock.

In shock, after viewing this, what is your automatic reaction? To retaliate, with overwhelming force. This is exactly what the terrorists would like. Overwhelming force brings more death to civilians and more destruction to infrastructure, ultimately fanning the flames of the insurgency higher and turning the terrorists into folk heroes.

The US should just realease Saddam and rebuild his power base, then allow him to deal with the crazies. He seems to have been very effective in the past.