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Witness Jessica Brown, 15, said: "I saw loads of police cars driving past and I saw three men run past the pizza place with gasmasks on and guns and police chasing them
'When we came outside there was gas in the air, you could smell it.
'I then saw a black van with three or four people inside drive towards the car park. One of them was leaning outside the window and I later heard shots.
'I later looked out of the window and saw three people in black clothing with gas masks on and saw other people chasing them.'
A man has been shot dead in Cheshire by police involved in an undercover investigation into armed robbery gangs in the North West.
The incident took place at around 7.20pm on Saturday night in the village of Culcheth.
Officers from Greater Manchester Police wore gas masks and used CS gas in what they said was a pre-planned operation.
A police statement said: "During the contact, a male occupant of the car was shot and sustained fatal injuries.
"Two men were arrested at the scene and remain in custody. The deceased's next of kin have been informed."
Originally posted by ComeFindMe
reply to post by Xcathdra
Cheers for input Xcanthdra My concern was more in regard to the eyewitness statement not quite correlating with the story we are being told.
It may be a mis-reading of what she said, but saying she smelt gas (not CS gas), seeing three men in masks being chased by police - also, we understand now that one man died at the scene and attempts were made to resuscitate him. Two others were arrested. Are these the three? If so, when / where did the shooting come about?
An IPCC spokesman said: "Due to the presence of CS residue in the car a full forensic examination has not yet been conducted to establish whether there are any weapons in the car.
"This will take place in a controlled environment in the next few days.
"An initial visual search inside the Audi, and a search of the immediate vicinity of the car, has not located any weapons."
Three men have been remanded in custody by Manchester magistrates charged with conspiracy to commit robbery following the shooting.
To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure. I know that here in the UK guns are not as prelevent as they are in the US, or other places wich allow people to carry guns. But I'd hazzard a guess that it's still up to the officers to react to a perceived threat, and act to what they see as accordingly, to their training. And if their intel say that this is an armed gang, then armed cops will be deployed. I don't know enough about this to start screaming abuse at coppers (don't faint ) but this is quite rare in the UK, so I'd have to guess that deadly force was an option that they felt the need to use. The whole not knowing if they were armed or not though, that does strike me as a bit suss. But then, it's the call of the cops who have to deal with this potential threat. I can't make that call for them, from my comfy desk. And I don't have the information on this gang, that they did/potentially did.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by mr-lizard
To those who are in the UK a question.
Here in the states law enforcements use of deadly force is viewed in terms of what the officer perceived the moment force was used.
Does that same standard (or similar) exist in the UK?
If the British officers were breifed these people were an armed gang, they go into the incident under the assumption weapons are present. If the suspect in the car is being given verbal commands to show his hands, and he does not comply, are the officers justified is discharging their weapon under the assumption the person is armed, which is the reason for non compliance?