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Confirmed: Obama's Birth Certificate Not Authentic 2012

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posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by jmotley
What did us Americans do? We were to busy trying to see what was happening next with Anna Nichole.


I do miss her
Was that during her fat period?
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posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 01:27 PM
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We all know what an assumption is, right?

I have been working professionally as a graphic artist, graphic software developer, 3D animator, digital video compositor and animator for almost two decades. Some might go so far as to refer to me as an "expert" in the field of digital imaging. I have an intimate understanding of the software used here, and how it interacts with PDF documents. I have been creating and opening documents like this for years using this software.

These are not artifacts of software translation during the import into Inkscape. Certainly, I have seen many PDF and Postscript documents which, when imported, separate bitmap objects from vector objects in a manner which makes them independently selectable and editable. I have NEVER encountered a PDF such as this, which was supposedly sourced from a homogenous bitmap scan, which contains crucially SELECTED items of information (such as signatures and dates) which have been extracted from the background bitmap image and then altered or replaced.

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posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by negativenihil


www.foxnews.com...


He said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

Tremblay explained that the scanner optical character recognition (OCR) software attempts to translate characters or words in a photograph into text. He said the layers cited by the doubters shows that software at work – and nothing more.

“When you open it in Illustrator it looks like layers, but it doesn’t look like someone built it from scratch. If someone made a fake it wouldn’t look like this,” he said.“Some scanning software is trying to separate the background and the text and splitting element into layers and parts of layers.”

Tremblay also said that during the scanning process, instances where the software was unable to separate text fully from background led to the creation of a separate layer within the document. This could be places where a signature runs over the line of background, or typed characters touch the internal border of the document.


I find it flat out hilarious how far birthers will bend over backwards to keep this "story" from going away, despite actual, real facts.

I mean really - even for a conspiracy site, this is just silly, especially a conspiracy site who's motto is Deny Ignorance.


Fox News has realy educated people !!

Fox News map of Europa :



As you can see they have deleted Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Austria, Hungary and Slovakia. Former Yugoslavia has become Bulgarija. Serbia has moved to Austria, Hungary and Slovakia....


Real map :




posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 01:35 PM
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posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 01:35 PM
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If a forged document allows a man to become the President of the United States and he or those responsible recieve no punishment, I should be able to use this stack of photocopied 100 dollar bills I have in my pocket to buy that bridge in Brooklyn I've been eyeing.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 01:45 PM
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posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by bknapple32
 





Maybe the POTUS doesnt need to prove things to fringe groups. It legitimizes them. And the WH did realease something, all thats happened since are people claiming its a hoax. With no proof. Despite saying CONFIRMED in the title, it doesnt make it so.


See you yourself just crossed the line right there and you deserved to be smacked. Questions about the POTUS being legite does not put people in some fringe or any other group. That's just retarded and for you to say that, is not even right partner. That's a cop out. :

If there is someone in the room with you ? Have them smack you for me ? Not real hard but just lightly to wake you up?

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I like how your solution is to smack me... Very mature


And look, Im not questioning the vetting of OBama in the beginning. What makes birthers fringe now is that they are still doing it 3 years later. Everything theyve shown has been debunked... this latest attempt has also been debunked.. Regardless of if most posters ( not you) just read the op and nothing else and proclaim this story to be true. There have been plenty of experts who rebuke this investigation. the whole pdf layer thing has been retorted.

Not to mention, and no one on the birther side really has a response to this ( and I think I know why): but the whole investigation was just to create buzz for the ebook theyd be selling with the "results and sources". Its just a cheap good ol' fashion money making scheme.... Playing the ignorant for fools.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 01:47 PM
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posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 01:49 PM
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except for one, small problem, that nobody here is addressing....false or not...he never explains how he could be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, as is demanded by our Constitution....his father was born in Kenya...a British protectorate...therefore, his father is an English citizen....so, unless Obama comes out as Malcome x's son or some such story, he does NOT have the right to be the POTUS.....this goes beyond whether or not it's a forgery...(it is).....and you, and the mainstream news are just passing by this most important part of the entire discussion....in other words... you've been mis-directed on purpose....wake up



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 01:51 PM
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You have stated your opinion over and over and over again. enough already!
He's a fraud!
Simple.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 01:52 PM
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They already proved this when Bush was "elected" the first time. He lost the popular vote but won the electoral, It was proven that Florida was won by Gore and it seemed real shady that the votes ended up in the swamp. Not to mention that fact the constitution states that congress should decide who the winner is in cases like this not the supreme court which did. What did us Americans do? We were to busy trying to see what was happening next with Anna Nichole. This birth certificate thing does not prove anything we were ripe 12yrs ago


I stand corrected.
Maybe they wanted to make double sure.


BK


I like how your solution is to smack me... Very mature


Well I did say lightly just to wake you up so I think it does show maturity.

I like your latest reply much better. No hard feelings. Is there anyone in the room with you ? Just kidding.
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posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 01:55 PM
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No, Ive been stating facts, such as the lead investigator is trying to use this to make money... And ill keep saying it until someone can acutally take the issue on and debate it.

The only opinion Ive been stating is that I think obama was born in america. I think its fact, but until this birther thing is laid to rest, ill concede its just opinion. Can you do the same?



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 02:00 PM
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How's he going to make any money when it's widely available all over the internet and broadcast on CBS news.
No money to be made here.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by helltick
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How's he going to make any money when it's widely available all over the internet and broadcast on CBS news.
No money to be made here.



the logic behind his braindead scheme doesnt matter. The point is hes still attempting to profit off this.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 02:03 PM
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Whatever.
You win.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 02:05 PM
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The only opinion Ive been stating is that I think obama was born in america. I think its fact, but until this birther thing is laid to rest, ill concede its just opinion. Can you do the same?


In the end opinions are all anyone can have at this point. That's why I stated going with my instincts (gut) earlier.
And all opinions are legite at this point so.....

I think this is definetly going to be interesting to see where it all goes.

What fun we are having.

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posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by treesdancing
reply to post by SaturnFX
 


We all know what an assumption is, right?

I have been working professionally as a graphic artist, graphic software developer, 3D animator, digital video compositor and animator for almost two decades. Some might go so far as to refer to me as an "expert" in the field of digital imaging. I have an intimate understanding of the software used here, and how it interacts with PDF documents. I have been creating and opening documents like this for years using this software.

These are not artifacts of software translation during the import into Inkscape. Certainly, I have seen many PDF and Postscript documents which, when imported, separate bitmap objects from vector objects in a manner which makes them independently selectable and editable. I have NEVER encountered a PDF such as this, which was supposedly sourced from a homogenous bitmap scan, which contains crucially SELECTED items of information (such as signatures and dates) which have been extracted from the background bitmap image and then altered or replaced.

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I am a trained graphic artist also, and 3d animation
And I will say, that training has little in common with my time spent dealing with document managment and workflow solutions.

I also have no clue who you are..I know my training (retraining..I went from doc mgmt specialist to graphics art/development during the height of the .com bubble) did nothing to my former training in document managment/ocr.
Point is, I know that if your claims are correct of your training, then they are about equal to my training..and my training in these regards wouldn't be the skills required to weigh in on this.

I do know however the person I posted is in fact qualified to answer such questions, and due to the fact he discussed the issues at hand well before the Birth Cert came out, and wasn't even discussing the issue about that issue but was resolving an issue someone else had makes me take his non-agenda driven, highly focused understanding far more than some guy whom knows how to photoshop

Not saying what I am seeing is not a fake certificate mind you, I am saying I am unqualified to make a determination..and I have both strong Doc managment background and computer graphics..both being professionally schooled, and worked in the field
And if I deem myself unqualified...well, you can imagine how serious I am taking lawyers and laymen with freebie software that know far less than I.

I will listen to experts in the actual field...not in related (not even remotely related) fields. Find me developers for filenet, or flexy products. I will listen to their views. Until then, this is just people not understanding what they are seeing...I will go with the guy from Adobe talking about layering nerfificationism verses some dude online and a lawyer selling a e-book to wingnuts.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by bknapple32

Originally posted by helltick
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Dude, Please.
STFU.


Thanks for bringing a lot to the table there. You really added to the conversation.

Dont have an answer to an arguement? Tell the other guy to shut up.. This is what ats has come to these days??


Yo mama!!!


(incidently, any mod worth his/her salt would mark this post as off topic.
just felt a yo mama joke (or non joke) seemed fitting here..carry on)
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posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 02:23 PM
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Eh , you say fun, I say bang my head on the wall with frustration....

It is fun with free thinkers such as yourself. We can disagree but still have fun trying to figure this all out.

Its the comments like lets kill the president because he has been proven to not be born in this country( he cant be a traitor if he was never born here lol).

First, no one deserves to die for this ( even if the 1% chance [in my mind], turns out he really wasnt born here), thats just insane and asinine. Second, how do you jump to the conclusion of death based on something that hasnt been even proven true by a third party or c ourt system???!!

Hence I bang my head against the wall..

I wish there wa an emoticon that banged his head against the wall.. this will suffice for now



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 02:29 PM
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the logic behind his braindead scheme doesnt matter. The point is hes still attempting to profit off this.


I have to admit at this point, to not reading all the responses here. Have you any proof of this brain dead scheme ?
I'm sure you do the way you're speaking with confidence. This can't be just an opinion. Right ?

These types of comments.



Its the comments like lets kill the president because he has been proven to not be born in this country( he cant be a traitor if he was never born here lol).


Deserve to be shunned so I just pay them no heed. Not worth a reply.
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