Confirmed: Obama's Birth Certificate Not Authentic 2012

reply to post by freethinker123


WE ARE TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT THEIR PLANS ONLY TO HAVE THEM CHANGE ONCE ELECTED,obviously you haven't been paying attention!!!

reply to post by LordDrakula


This document, if the facts presented are true, has to be a fake. But not only that, it has to be a fake **waiting to be found**.

Nobody, NOBODY is stupid enough to forge a document, then export to a PDF with the layers on it!

So I suspect an ulterior motive.

The original could still turn out, and the ultimate question can only be answered with the original. The forgery does not prove that obama is citizen of another nation.

So far it simply proves somebody forged the document (and did so, IMHO knowing the forgery had to be "caught" ***) and that is enough reason to inquire further.

-rrr

The afterbirthers just cant get over the fact its fake. Their God is fake.

But he is also a draft dodger. I suppose I could overlook a lot of things IF he was a good president and not making the country swirl around the bowl.

Draft dodger in peace time? Not a chance.

Here you go obamatrons. Read en and weep. The hard evidence:

www.youtube.com...


Afterbirther splatter!

Mr. President Obama if you pulled this off all I have to say is...

.

Scanning through this thread has got me riled for some reason. So, I'm going to interject...

1. Take the Obama Challenge
By that, I mean the challenging task of figuring out who Obama is and where he was at any given time before his 10-12 year rise.

I would make a fairly large wager that, despite their unfortunate, unwavering support for Obama those same people would be baffled at how mistaken they've been. That is, if they truly did some digging like I did.

I concede that I have developed a distaste for all politicians. But, come on friends. This guy is our President and I'm supposed to feel like a jerk for being disappointed with...

1. Broken promise to leave med-marijuana alone
   
2. Broken promise to close Guantanamo
   
3. Allowing suspicious murders to pile up in his footsteps
   
4. Stating without pause the Government IS a monopoly on violence
   
5. Spending an inordinate amount of time on the golf course
   
6. Coming in after only 9 holes to implicate himself in the bin Laden murder myth
   
7. Breaking his campaign finance promise and not revealing the source of unknown millions spent
   
8. Supporting all the recent unconstitutional statutes, despite being a constitutional lawyer
   
9. Allowing his autobiographies to be entirely ghost-written about events that simply never took place
   
10. Lecturing Americans about 9/11 events being "facts" and not "theories"
    
11. Obtaining a SSN through fraud in his efforts to deceive Americans
    
12. Allowing his Birth Certificate to be forged in that continuing effort
    

Need I go on? Sure, I've made some wrong conclusions, got my facts mixed up and know that complexities exist in the corridors of power. Just how wrong am I? Just how wrong am I?

When I try to assemble all of the snippets of intel I've come across these past few years, I can't quite figure where to start...which horrifying possibility is most concerning.

2. It's Not About Whether He Qualifies for the Presidency
Somehow, in the battle between left and right the urgency has been obfuscated by mostly blind and masochistic statists. Some can't imagine that there are really good people standing up and being heckled as they try to sound the alarm. And the alarm isn't sounding just for Obama. It's sounding for all of us. I thank these people. Without their warnings I might still have interest in the next season of Survivor.

The point is, IMO a person who holds our highest public office and continues to ensure us that he is working hard to help us has forged documents to gain authority over us which he has and continues to abuse.

How many of us know at least 20 people we feel would make better Presidents? How many of those would at least do the job without lying, cheating and stealing?

The best evidence I have points to Ron Paul. But, that doesn't mean I expect mirracles or perfection. I just would appreciate having an intelligent conversation about realistic expectations and getting things fixed now instead of giggling and snickering.

Peace

Originally posted by GreenEyedVixen
reply to post by rebellender

 

Yep, I realise this.
Just upsetting to see all of this happen, not just the birth certificate crap but the rigging of the elections and much more.
I just wonder what else more it's going to take to wake people up :/

Make Government a part of life instead of a Teet to suckle

Came across this video which "dissects" the certificate of live birth which was released by the whitehouse. The forgery seems pretty obvious. I recommend watching the HD version for those of you who have the bandwidth available.

Originally posted by paradox

Originally posted by LiberalSceptic
From here on I will call him Barack or something casual in general, and not Mr Obama.
2nd

Barry is the term of endearment I prefer personally.

Haha that´s a nice one, think I will go with Barry as well.

Originally posted by treesdancing
Came across this video which "dissects" the certificate of live birth which was released by the whitehouse. The forgery seems pretty obvious. I recommend watching the HD version for those of you who have the bandwidth available.

photoshop?!

When you are given a suspisious bank note to you take a scan of it and then examine it?

LOL

Get the "authentic" BC, get a guy whos an expert on documents of that type and video HIS ACTUAL EXAMINATION of the REAL paper, jeeeeeze.....

apparrently it takes a few years to do this

reply to post by Biigs


Photoshop was not used anywhere in that video. Do you know the difference between a bitmap and vector graphics editing application?

The PDF can be downloaded from the Whitehouse website here.
Inkscape (the open-source software used in the video) can be downloaded from this site.

Now open one with the other, and please explain why a "scanned" document published on the whitehouse website can be so easily taken to pieces by a "non-expert". This is such a pathetic digital forgery that even a child would be able to do better.

I'd also be interested to hear any explanation as to why the whitehouse would bother to take the time, effort and risk to create such a forgery?

Originally posted by rickyrrr
reply to post by LordDrakula

 

Nobody, NOBODY is stupid enough to forge a document, then export to a PDF with the layers on it!

-rrr

Agreed!

Now, it's a forged forgery ... and what does that mean? Except the ulterior motive, of making people go bonkers over a "colored" president. And make the people of the United States, look even more biased and more racist than they already do.

I'm going to ask you ... what is this birth certificate about anyways? What the heck is the big deal, anyways? And then, in the end, you are going to have a document come up ... it doesn't matter if it's "forged" or not. They'll just print the document, on old paper ... put it in a dryer for a few hours, and wolla ... it's 99.9% authendic ...

Then what are you going to do? take a carbon-14 test of the old paper? Maybe investigate the typewriter style used?

It's a copy of the original, since the original was too old and got lost ...

Millions of ways to tell you, it's authendic ... and all you'll end up with, is months of investigation in proving an alien, was really an alien ...

And that is going to make who bad, and how?

Besides, who elected this man into power ... if not the American people ... if you're dumb enough to elect him, do you have to be dumb enough to impeach him too?

And if you do impeach him ... is it going to go any better, than with president clinton and his intern-al affair?

I went to sleep last night hoping for a few things...

1. This thread would get renamed what it actually reflects. NOTHING IS CONFIRMED. I place this blame on ATS. Ample time to fix this, yet nothing. Now I see plenty of new posters to the thread who have obviously only looked at the op and made their response.

2.I was also hoping to get a response from all those basing their opinion from this investigation to answer the story that exposes the fact that the results will only be sold on an ebook... If this was about righting a wrong, bringing democracy back to our country, and taking down a fraudulent president, why on earth SELL the results? I get writing a book after the fact. But to sell the story to the curious before anything has really been confirmed show that all parties involved were only out to make money.

Now that you know this, (you probably missed the posts that were made in this thread that exposed this) how do you take the investigation seriously? Or I'll put it this way, does that give anyone ANY kind of shadow of a doubt about this story?? If it does, then this is no longer confirmed. Its altered facts and opinions strung together as fact, in an effort to dupe america into buying their "results" ... Cause if they sold their story after this is all done, there wont be a story to sell... Because nothing will come of this.

All about money

reply to post by guavas


Salutations Guavas. Apologies for the delay.

Which birth certificate exactly would placate the masses? Since he's already shown an apparently forged one, what subsequent birth certificate would suffice as evidence of his legitimacy at this point? Why are people asking for something that cannot satisfy them?

I have to admit your point is vague to me. Pardon my lack of understanding. I guess I can't understand how you
can get yourself passed the point that our President, is flashing fake I.D. like some underaged kid trying to get into a bar. " Since he's already shown an apparently forged one ", your words. How do you get around that ? Is the issue I'm addressing cause it just blows my mind the way I see this. Since I believe, " Everything in politics is planned ". It's like the PTB are proving to themselves that the american people are ripe for rape. To paraphrase, [ If they tolerate this we can get away with anything and everything ] to convey the mentality. And I'm pretty sure the answer is an affirmative. They can even start raping again like back in the days of William Wallace. The things the Scotts were putting up with were beyond absurd. They were monsterous and i'm sure you know monsters such as these are not a thing of the past.

I don't consider any one from the elite classes or the political arena or anyone who's family seeks positions of
power an actual human being that is in possession of all the faculties, that define human beings. This for me is not about Obama at all. It's about all of 'em. It's about the absolute fact, at least in my mind, that our own people
are murdering our own GI's in afghanistan and other outrageouss acts, that only those with no conscience could possibly endeavor. Seal team 6 is just an example of the atrocities these people carry out daily. Osama is like some hitman for the elite. That's what my eyes are seeing. Qadaffi is another one. So in the end this crap about
a BC doesn't even matter. Were just as screwed as they want us to be really. Definetly not about color that's for damn sure. But whadya gonna do ? Comical watching these entertainers. I mean really ?

reply to post by LordDrakula


Again with this crap. This has been put to bed long ago. Besides the fact the every candidate for President has to go through a long extensive background check that would have picked something like this up it still does not matter where the man was born. Take a look at

US Code > Title 8 > Chapter 12 > Subchapter III > Part 1 > 1401.

It deals with nationals and american citizens. Since I know the majority you are to lazy to actually look it up I covered it here for you here

Birthers Enough Already

This goes into facts on why Obama is eligible to be the President. I hate to say this but this whole birther thing is really starting to look like racism.

Originally posted by Ephio
Interesting video

In the video it says that videos of the tests that were done was uploaded by "TeaPartyPowerHour" on youtube.

Youtube that name.
www.youtube.com...

Anyway try clicking on his/her name to go to their channel, it says "This channel is not available."
Whats going on here eh? Maybe their account has been removed or something, maybe because someone didnt want anyone to see this..?

Thanks.

Originally posted by treesdancing
reply to post by Biigs

 

Photoshop was not used anywhere in that video. Do you know the difference between a bitmap and vector graphics editing application?

The PDF can be downloaded from the Whitehouse website here.
Inkscape (the open-source software used in the video) can be downloaded from this site.

Now open one with the other, and please explain why a "scanned" document published on the whitehouse website can be so easily taken to pieces by a "non-expert". This is such a pathetic digital forgery that even a child would be able to do better.

And there is the key
Non-expert is the issue here

When the birth certificate was first released, there was an issue with layers..and I did a bit of digging (given I have training in scanned document managment systems, OCR, etc.

Here is my post back then

Originally posted by SaturnFX
From the source several weeks ago:

On behalf of Adobe Systems Incorporated ...



Adobe Illustrator is not, repeat not, and repeat yet once again not a general purpose PDF file editor. Opening any arbitrary PDF file in Adobe Illustrator other than PDF files saved in that version of later of Adobe Illustrator with the editability option (which saves the Illustrator document editing data as private data within the PDF file) may result in content loss or corruption.

___

PDF layers are part of an overall feature known as optional content in PDF and are conceptually very different than Illustrator layers. Since PDF optional content features in general are very much a superset of Illustrator layers (PDFMaker for PowerPoint uses optional content to handle certain slide build features, for example), there would be no easy way for Illustrator to readily pick and choose what optional content features to support and translate. As such, don't expect this to be "rectified" in any way in future Illustrator releases.



(To make things even more interesting, both PDF and Illustrator layers are very different than Photoshop layers which allow for defined interactions between layers such as masking!)

Dov Isaacs

From the adobe forums.
Basically, scanning in PDF = immediate wonkification and pseudo-layers if opened in illustrator if I am grasping what this is saying.

Which means the whole open in illustrator or use illustrator in general at any step of the process = wonkyness abound.

Take it for what you will.

Ultimately, these products that open layers are unreliable no matter what the product..you need the specific software used to open up the layers properly, and chances are, even there, any OCR may cause issues. Still, it is the only legal way to legally store scanned copys.

Incidentally, you can find my original post here

So, What this boils down to is simple. Experts have always warned people about the issues of opening up layers in software products, because it is certain to be corrupt, crap, etc.
Then you have non-experts opening up layers in free software and becoming confused at corrupted, wonky, or otherwise screwed up layering.

Until proper expertise comes down, whom are adapt at understanding layering techniques, I will go with their former statements on this before all this certificate nonsense came up.

I really try to not comment on birther threads..once a year really just to remind people that experts disagree with conspiracy theorists on this...then I go back to ignoring these threads
slow news day I guess

It's like the PTB are proving to themselves that the american people are ripe for rape. To paraphrase, [ If they tolerate this we can get away with anything and everything ] to convey the mentality.

They already proved this when Bush was "elected" the first time. He lost the popular vote but won the electoral, It was proven that Florida was won by Gore and it seemed real shady that the votes ended up in the swamp. Not to mention that fact the constitution states that congress should decide who the winner is in cases like this not the supreme court which did. What did us Americans do? We were to busy trying to see what was happening next with Anna Nichole. This birth certificate thing does not prove anything we were ripe 12yrs ago

reply to post by bknapple32

Maybe the POTUS doesnt need to prove things to fringe groups. It legitimizes them. And the WH did realease something, all thats happened since are people claiming its a hoax. With no proof. Despite saying CONFIRMED in the title, it doesnt make it so.

See you yourself just crossed the line right there and you deserved to be smacked. Questions about the POTUS being legite does not put people in some fringe or any other group. That's just retarded and for you to say that, is not even right partner. That's a cop out. :

If there is someone in the room with you ? Have them smack you for me ? Not real hard but just lightly to wake you up?

Originally posted by jmotley
This goes into facts on why Obama is eligible to be the President. I hate to say this but this whole birther thing is really starting to look like racism.

I wouldn't say racism.
This is simply a case where people tend to go with what they see without knowing what is happening, and so making their mind up before asking an expert in the field.

There is also of course political agendas at work.

But the average person should not be considered a racist for raising a valid question (that may in fact be steeped in ignorance..not willful ignorance mind you, not everyone is a document managment specialist).

The fault lies in not demanding actual qualified experts to weigh in...if you have a lump on your chest, you aren't going to ask a priest what he thinks it is..you ask a doctor...if you have some odd things in a scanned document, you shouldn't ask a politician or lawyer what it is, you should ask a document managment expert.

quite simple really

Also, the expert needs to be familiar with the scanning procedures of the time, not just the latest tech.