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Gay Marriage: We cannot afford to indulge this madness

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posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by VerityPhantom
Instead of calling it any type of marriage we should all just call it civil union.

I think gay people want to get married because of the benefits you get from a legal marriage. Like tax breaks etc...


Too late.

Around the world other countries have also already legalized Gay Marriage. You just don't put the genie back in the box.

Gays want Equality. Simple. If heteros get tax breaks from Legal Marriage - - then gays should get the same breaks.



Yes I agree with you entirely, I have nothing against gays and am neutral about their way of life. lol are you thread stalking me Annee?! I just replied to one of your posts. But to further answer your question I am all for human rights in any form as long as it does not harm another individual I wasn't disagreeing about gay people getting married. I just wanted to shut the catholics up by calling it something else, I find that loopholes are easier than wars.




posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
I could care less about someone elses SEX LIFE! Neither should anyone else.


Cardinal Keith O'Brien isn't concerned with gay peoples' sex life. Rather, he is concerned with the redefining of marriage to include two people of the same sex.

As he points out, if the rights already exist for gays, if the wish them, without getting married, why the need to call their civil partnership 'marriage'.

Nor is 'gay marriage' entirely benign. For instance,


In November 2003, after a court decision in Massachusetts to legalise gay marriage, school libraries were required to stock same-sex literature; primary schoolchildren were given homosexual fairy stories such as King & King. Some high school students were even given an explicit manual of homosexual advocacy entitled The Little Black Book: Queer in the 21st Century. Education suddenly had to comply with what was now deemed “normal”.


The Telegraph


I don't think kids, never mind primary school kids, should be getting homosexual fairy stories such as King & King. Nor should high school students be given an explicit manual of homosexual advocacy entitled The Little Black Book: Queer in the 21st Century.

But it is merely reflecting the new norm. Enshrined in law, no less.
I will spare you all the details and complexities of what I do or how dangerous it is....this...Cardinal? is exactly WHAT to me or anyone other than those who think some guy with a funny looking hat with very little REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE...concepts, ideas or decrees carry ANY WEIGHT in the REAL WORLD!
Some people may know this some may not...but I used to teach SURVIVAL first for kids...then for Men at Expert Level. This includes all enviroments...Winter, Jungle, Ocean...etc. I am also a Highly Trained Problem Solver...I am "CIVILIAN"...but work with the Military. I said I was an Alpha Male...and that is true in the extreme...but I LOVE MY TEAM MEMBERS...and what Color or Race or Sexuality or what Sex they prefer to Marry...has and will never come up unless they wish to talk about it. In your statement you decried the concept of information passed on to children about the REALITY OF THE WORLD...this type of thinking is what starts WARS. It is only though communication and understanding and KNOWLEDGE will people understand each other...and RESPECT EACH OTHER! A Child who is brought up with two Moms or two Dads...is Loved non the less...being an ALTER BOY HOWEVER....has it's dangers! A REAL AND TRUE MAN is secure in his SEXUALITY and by scientific testing...it has been determined that Men who have a deep hatred for Homosexuals...are infact....Geneticly Disposed to have a greater amount of Hormonal Secretion into their Blood Stream that lends them to be more effeminate than Men who do not have this Homophobia. It has also been scientifically determined that Pedophillia...is not connected to being Homosexual but rather a Psychological Issue that is not connected to being Gay. This test was done by examining Blood Samples of incarcerated Pedophiles that showed no inclusion of the same Hormonal Disposition of Male or Female gays.
WE ARE ALL AT ONE TIME FEMALE IN THE WOMB....a little Hormones here a little there....cells dividing and following their ORDERS from the Human Genome...DNA and RNA in every cell...and you are many various degrees of Human Beings...You could be like me....you could be a non-alpha male...you could be a Gay Male...or Transexual or born with both sexual reproductive organs or a Woman or Gay Woman or Bi-Woman or Male...there are many variations. There is no BLACK AND WHITE...it is all Grey...and that is fine...it is what your ACTIONS say about you that count...not anything else. I would bet that this Cardinal has a Dark past.
Split Infinity



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
I am a VERY STRAIGHT MALE....ALPHA MALE....from MASS. Gay Marriage is legal here....and it has posed no problems. I could care less about someone elses SEX LIFE! Neither should anyone else. Split Infinity


It has nothing to do with someone's sex life and everything to do with how the institution of "marriage" is defined. Gays want it defined differently than it has been for all of human history. Between 2 and 3% of people are gay, but you'd think that 60% of people are the way gays talk about how unfair they are being treated.

It is simply another liberal attack on religious beliefs, masked in an argument about "equality".

Gays want to be treated equally? How about knocking off those goddamn parades for starters.


I hate to agree with it but the Sexual Leather and Chains Parades ARE STUPID! This is done by a fringe element of Momosexuals that just don't get that they are Hurting Their Cause....sort of like when a Cardinal or Bishop or Priest gets secretly sent to the Vatican and avoids Legal Prosecution for Pedophillia....there are Bad elements in every vein of society. Split Infinity



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by SplitInfinity
I hate to agree with it but the Sexual Leather and Chains Parades ARE STUPID! This is done by a fringe element of Momosexuals that just don't get that they are Hurting Their Cause....sort of like when a Cardinal or Bishop or Priest gets secretly sent to the Vatican and avoids Legal Prosecution for Pedophillia....there are Bad elements in every vein of society. Split Infinity


I was dating a guy for a short time. He was a former Los Angeles Detective. He retired and started his own business of investigating abuse of the elderly.

Nice guy - - right? Until I discovered he was into S&M.

Fetishes have no exclusivity to gender/orientation/economic levels/social standing - - - - etc.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 11:16 PM
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I am not trying to tell people what they should or should not do in their bedrooms. I am saying that using a bit of common sense on how your group will be percieved will go along way with some people who are not as enlightened sexually.

I am not religious but I would not want to parade in front of a church with a sign condeming their beliefs. There has to be give and take here for people to form a common respect. Split Infinity



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 12:11 AM
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Originally posted by Annee

Gays want Equality. Simple. If heteros get tax breaks from Legal Marriage - - then gays should get the same breaks.


They have legal equality in Scotland apparently (where Cardinal Keith O’Brien is a Christian leader).

He is objecting to gays demanding the the right to call a civil partnership a 'marriage'.

I suspect a large majority of people oppose gays having the legal right to force others to call their civil unions a 'marriage' (in 31 state referendums, gays have never once convinced a majortiy of voters to support same sex marriage - they have lost every time).



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 12:33 AM
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Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by Annee
 

I am not trying to tell people what they should or should not do in their bedrooms. I am saying that using a bit of common sense on how your group will be percieved will go along way with some people who are not as enlightened sexually.

I am not religious but I would not want to parade in front of a church with a sign condeming their beliefs. There has to be give and take here for people to form a common respect. Split Infinity



Yeah - - - I agree about the common sense. At Long Beach Gay Pride - - - there were a few walking around in black leather outfits that should not have left the bedroom. Public displays by anyone need to be considerate of others.

I find jeans hanging half way down some man's butt Stupid and offensive. I just want to make it clear - - these things are not exclusive to the gay community.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 12:34 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Annee

Gays want Equality. Simple. If heteros get tax breaks from Legal Marriage - - then gays should get the same breaks.


They have legal equality in Scotland apparently (where Cardinal Keith O’Brien is a Christian leader).

He is objecting to gays demanding the the right to call a civil partnership a 'marriage'.

I suspect a large majority of people oppose gays having the legal right to force others to call their civil unions a 'marriage' (in 31 state referendums, gays have never once convinced a majortiy of voters to support same sex marriage - they have lost every time).


Civil Union is not Equal.

No matter how you try to spin it.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 01:04 AM
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I tend to post on these types of topics because I have been all to often labeled Homophobic by Gays who judged me by my physical stature and love of women....and judged as either being Gay or being a Gay People Lover by men who in my mind are not Men.

Funny though...I seem to hit it off well with Lesbians...but I find the Lesbian that tries to talk act and speek like a Man...a bit annoying. I think it is because they find me as a threat to their more feminine date. They also try too hard to strike up a conversation with me and this usually happens at these Music release Parties that I HAVE to go to as part of my contract...to see and be seen. None of them save one knows what my other job is.

Point is...what their sexuality or lifestyle is...is their buisness...they have no need to prove themselves or their dedication to each other to me...but it happens some times. I am 6 ft. 1 inch...I am physically attractive as that is a prerequisite to being in a Band...I am also muscular with very long hair wich is a detriment in my other job so I have it coiled before a job.

Compared to anyone in that room which is an A list pain in the ass for me as the less I talk the more interesting I become to them. Also...compared to anyone else in the room including MONSTER SIZED BODY GUARDS...who are all armed...I am the most trained and dangerous man in the room...but I will never show it...problem is...even though I am just trying to get through the mandatory hour I have to stay....because I basically loath everyone in the room save a few....I get called out as a Homophobe because I don'tlike being Kissed European style on both cheeks whether with or without contact by some VERY GAY MEN. I also have been called out by some very large Lesbian Women trying to be Men...as they feel if they can confront me...it will impress their date or some other girls who had one date with a guy go bad too many.

I try to talk them out of fighting...I will even self-depreciate myself...I have gone so far as to say...Yes! I have NO BALLS! Can I get by you now? I have had a couple incidents....not of my doing....and they lasted all of 2 or 3 seconds without he hurting anyone with a proper hold...but I will not strike...as to do so is stupid. I still have no issues with Gays. Split Infinity



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 01:18 AM
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Marriage should be abolished. For everyone.

Children should be reared in collectives where they don't have the chance to internalize the hegemonic system of gender roles that has created the mess we live in.

The solution is not gay marriage but NO marriage!



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 06:37 AM
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Originally posted by Bernardine


Children should be reared in collectives where they don't have the chance to internalize the hegemonic system


children being reared haha whhhhaaatt?




let the gays be gay
let the cats be cats.


none of my bees wax or the churches



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by Annee
 

I tend to post on these types of topics because I have been all to often labeled Homophobic by Gays who judged me by my physical stature and love of women....and judged as either being Gay or being a Gay People Lover by men who in my mind are not Men.




LOL - - my hubby - who was actually working for a gay event setting up sound equipment in downtown Los Angeles - - went into a gay bar with his gay work partner - - and set down on a barstool.

Everyone at the bar got up and moved to tables





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posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by Bernardine
Children should be reared in collectives where they don't have the chance to internalize the hegemonic system of gender roles that has created the mess we live in.


I actually agree with this. I don't believe/support humans are a naturally monogamous animal.

I think humans would do much better following the social structure of Elephants.

In Tahiti (other Polynesian cultures) - - sex was natural and for the young. Child rearing and story telling of their history was done by those beyond child bearing and manual labor years.

I also think everyone is born with special talents. Some are good at art - some cook - some hunt - - etc. It should be natural that peoples talents be incorporated into the social structure.

It is a social structure that would not exclude anyone.

You're right. The madness is our forced social structure.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by Bernardine
Children should be reared in collectives where they don't have the chance to internalize the hegemonic system of gender roles that has created the mess we live in.


That's a great idea. That's what the Spartans did.




Starting from age 7, spartan boys were sent to military barracks where they were brutally trained to the harsh conditions of war. Upon reaching their 6th year of training, Spartans were forced to survive in the wilderness with noting but their cloaks and their fists. Many boys died during the brutal training and many others were killed for their lack of strength.

socyberty.com...




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posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Bernardine
Children should be reared in collectives where they don't have the chance to internalize the hegemonic system of gender roles that has created the mess we live in.


That's a great idea. That's what the Spartans did.


So - - you're claiming this is collective child rearing without a forced gender role?



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 02:18 PM
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Child rearing and Spartans have nothing to do with the fact that disallowing gay marriage is discrimination upon religious grounds, which is illegal.

Are we teaching children that being different will cause you to lose rights? That if you're gay, you can say goodbye to legal matrimony?

If this is the case, then I agree with the sentiments stated by Bernardine: marriage should be disallowed, period. If we can't agree on one simple thing such as preventing marital discrimination, take it away.

That's what we do with kids who can't share, after all.
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posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 02:25 PM
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Actually, there is no such thing as the right to be married, period.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
Actually, there is no such thing as the right to be married, period.



It's something we take for granted, and something the government sees no need to call us on.

Why? Because as long as we keep getting married, we keep breeding, and if we keep breeding, we keep providing ways for the government to make more money. We are chattel; we are born to make money, raised to make money, and we die to make money. We also breed to make more people who will live and die to make money.

Even after you are dead, you pay to have a coffin, or to be cremated. You pay for your plot in the grave...or maybe to have an urn to put your ashes in. Either that, or your children pay for it...which is why you breed, so they will continue the cycle of making money for the government.

Every time you make money, you give some to the government. Every time you buy something, you give money to the government. And whatever isn't taxed, you have to buy utensils or resources to use or prepare those things, so you're always giving money to the government.

This is why marriage is encouraged. The only force that is as powerful as the government, is the church. And the church is the whole reason we question homosexuality....

And the whole reason people want to make the point of saying, "Hey, you gays are different. We don't want to give you the luxury of lumping yourselves in the same marital group as us. You stay over there, we don't want you here."

Sometimes (most of the time), people disgust me.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
Actually, there is no such thing as the right to be married, period.



The Right we are talking about is Equality.

Legal Government Marriage is a contract to protect rights and property of 2 joining together as one household - - and afford certain privileges not available by any other means.

Denying this contract to homosexual couples when heterosexual couples have it is discrimination of equality.



posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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Are my posts being ignored?

I am contributing quality responses, and the two of you aren't saying a thing to me.



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