Gay Marriage: We cannot afford to indulge this madness

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Viking9019
reply to post by markosity1973

 

Uhhhh....maybe because over 70% of all Peadophiles are gays!

Remember that its all about the sick perverted mind.

Where'd you pull that lie up from?

Fact is most pedophiles are straight.

While it may seem like men molest boys (and it is assumed they are gay) - - - the fact is they molest by availability.

Priests molest boys because alter boys are available. Now that there are alter girls - - - there has been an increase in molestation of girls - - why? Availability.

Actually... a study published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior (you know.. the clinical psychiatry journal), showed that 86% of pedophiles are either gay or bisexual.

Its not me saying... its the pros!

reply to post by Annee

Nope.

Legitimate source.

Your so called legitimate source is a Gay / lesbian blog which offers no sources.

How is that legitimate?

Originally posted by ThirdRock69
reply to post by Annee

 

Nope.

Legitimate source.

Your so called legitimate source is a Gay / lesbian blog which offers no sources.

How is that legitimate?

I've used various forms of the same or similar list - - from several different locations/sites for the last 20 years in this same subject discussion.

Some of the sites do go into more detail and sources.

Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Viking9019
reply to post by markosity1973

 

Uhhhh....maybe because over 70% of all Peadophiles are gays!

Remember that its all about the sick perverted mind.

Where'd you pull that lie up from?

Fact is most pedophiles are straight.

While it may seem like men molest boys (and it is assumed they are gay) - - - the fact is they molest by availability.

Priests molest boys because alter boys are available. Now that there are alter girls - - - there has been an increase in molestation of girls - - why? Availability.

Actually... a study published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior (you know.. the clinical psychiatry journal), showed that 86% of pedophiles are either gay or bisexual.

Its not me saying... its the pros!

What is the percentage of homosexuals to heterosexuals? Just on the ratio of heterosexuals compared to homosexuals/bisexuals - - - would make it logical majority would be hetero.

Male on male sexual act can be referred to as a homosexual act - - - but does not necessarily mean the perpetrator is homosexual.

Availability to the child is the major factor.


And here's one from UC Davis:

Examining the Research
One problem is that none of the studies in this area have obtained data from a probability sample, that is, a sample that can be assumed to be representative of the population of all child molesters. Rather, most research has been conducted only with convicted perpetrators or with pedophiles who sought professional help. Consequently, they may not accurately describe child molesters who have never been caught or have not sought treatment.

Another problem related to terminology arises because sexual abuse of male children by adult men2 is often referred to as "homosexual molestation." The adjective "homosexual" (or "heterosexual" when a man abuses a female child) refers to the victim's gender in relation to that of the perpetrator. Unfortunately, people sometimes mistakenly interpret it as referring to the perpetrator's sexual orientation. psychology.ucdavis.edu...

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by ThirdRock69
reply to post by Annee

 

Nope.

Legitimate source.

Your so called legitimate source is a Gay / lesbian blog which offers no sources.

How is that legitimate?

I've used various forms of the same or similar list - - from several different locations/sites for the last 20 years in this same subject discussion.

Some of the sites do go into more detail and sources.

are we talking about that Stalinist Leninist Communist Propaganda list?
Is this the list they are referring to?

Originally posted by rebellender

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by ThirdRock69
reply to post by Annee

 

Nope.

Legitimate source.

Your so called legitimate source is a Gay / lesbian blog which offers no sources.

How is that legitimate?

I've used various forms of the same or similar list - - from several different locations/sites for the last 20 years in this same subject discussion.

Some of the sites do go into more detail and sources.

are we talking about that Stalinist Leninist Communist Propaganda list?
Is this the list they are referring to?

We're done.

Moved on.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Miccey
Evolve frikkin neaderthals, this isnt the 13th century you know...

People of a conservative nature do not assume that all change is neccessarily good. You appear to assume that it is (I apologise if I have missunderstood you), which perhaps leaves you somewhat open to manipulation.

Let gays have 'civil partnerships'. Don't call it marriage.

Marriage is a union between a man and a women. Let gays find some other name for a 'civil partnership' but not 'marriage'.

edit on 4-3-2012 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)

Well, no, all change might not be "good"...
Im stunned here...I dont actually know what to say.
You my freind is living and breathing in the verry
same system that is what caused so much grief
and still do...

Mine Mine Mine
This is OUR territory.
I AM YOUR LEADER
I have the power
Ive got more money than you.......
If you piss in my corner i will tell my daddy...

Originally posted by volafox
With the so called institution of marriage easily severed with a cheap lawyer and held in such contempt by citizens of the world today, perhaps those have longed for it will do it far more justice than those who have had it all along, yet throw it away so carelessly.
Getting married, being married, and then divorcing is no longer a way of life, its a freaking drama mill for shallow minds and gutless people who will not keep their vows, promises, or word in any way. Heck, its far easier to start over with someone new than to mend the damage done. Its even easier to cause the damage in the first place than to be a mature adult and live with honor and a sense of worth. I want those who are gay to marry if they so wish. Not because it would hack off the religious right (that to me is just a perk) but because they would actually live by the vows they speak before each other. Love, Honor, Cherish. Straight society has proven that for the most part, it is no longer capable of doing such things willingly. Its far more fun to screw around, lie, cheat, spend the spouse's money and trust than to put forth the hard work and effort that a lifetime of friendship and partnership demands. We no longer stay at the same career for very long, we no longer stay married. We no longer have to answer for our shortcomings because we can run away from our responsibilities. Our parents ( most, anyway) managed to work for the same company for ages, stay married for decades. We are far weaker than our ancestors, and that weakness is inherit on both sides of the coin, not just one party but the other. We must take a long look at ourselves, and quit condemning those who will obviously do far better than us.

What you are describing is the result of decades of constant attack on the traditional family structure by the left, through movies, television and other methods. It is not by accident. Gay marriage is just another nail in the coffin of family values as far as the left is concerned.

Originally posted by markosity1973
What do you even mean with a comment like that? If a woman is more dominant in the marriage i.e she is the one that 'wears the pants' does that make her the husband?

That would make her the husband.

Originally posted by markosity1973
So long as it is done it private, both are consenting and no-one gets physically or mentally harmed, how does it affect you or I anyway?

Demanding the legal right to call a homosexual civil union a 'marriage' is not a private thing. It demands the moral and legal support of the majority of the population which is heterosexual.

Originally posted by markosity1973
Maybe we need to drop the word marriage all together, that's what NZ did when they legalised it. They called it 'civil unions' i.e a formalised relationship recognised by state, not the church. In other words a marriage in all but name so that the church and traditionalists have something to hold on to with the word marriage.

Why do people not read the OP and its link?

In Scotland, where this case is concerned, it already is called a 'civil union'.

It's the push for homosexual civil unions to be called 'marriages' which is what I object to.

In Scotland, where this case is concerned, it already is called a 'civil union'.

It's the push for homosexual civil unions to be called 'marriages' which is what I object to.

To be completely honest, I think I can agree with you on this point. Marriage should stay marriage and a civil union should stay a civil union. The word marriage does hold special significance to the basic family unit of Dad, Mum and the kids.

Having been brought up in a religious family I totally respect and get the concept of the sanctity of long held tradition and scripture. Based on such, marriage is an institution from time immemorial.

On the other side of the coin, I think we should also give the gay community a chance to live up to their word of wanting to live in relationships modeled on the concept of marriage. i.e one that is long term, committed and monogamous. If we are honest with ourselves we know that we cannot wish gay people away, but perhaps we can give them a chance to live as closely as possible to the traditional values we hold dear.

P.S as for the photo of the Marine that kept getting re-posted. I find it distasteful in the extreme, but then so is a heterosexual couple doing the same thing in public in my eyes.

Originally posted by Annee

Examining the Research
One problem is that none of the studies in this area have obtained data from a probability sample, that is, a sample that can be assumed to be representative of the population of all child molesters. Rather, most research has been conducted only with convicted perpetrators or with pedophiles who sought professional help. Consequently, they may not accurately describe child molesters who have never been caught or have not sought treatment.

Another problem related to terminology arises because sexual abuse of male children by adult men is often referred to as "homosexual molestation." The adjective "homosexual" (or "heterosexual" when a man abuses a female child) refers to the victim's gender in relation to that of the perpetrator. Unfortunately, people sometimes mistakenly interpret it as referring to the perpetrator's sexual orientation. psychology.ucdavis.edu...

Yes, this is indeed correct. I have read material and actually discussed with a researcher about this. After finding out about what happened to my mother, I wanted answers so I did a bit of research. It has been suggested that paedophilia is actually a completely separate type of sexual orientation from homosexuality and heterosexuality i.e. It is an orientation that is specific to children only.

This is perhaps another thread in itself, and one that can only end badly as most of us (myself included) find this topic repulsive and offensive. Therefore it is extremely difficult to discuss it rationally and not emotively.

This guy is out of touch and wrong.

Gay marriage will become legal and he'll just have to deal with it, like everyone else who has problems with it.

reply to post by ollncasino


Many people also voted that african americans weren't allowed to vote.

reply to post by deepankarm


Fortunately, you and your kind are about to see the dawn of a new day. Things are set to change and you aren't going to hold back the evolution of the human race. If two beings choose to spend their lives together in intimate quarters, they have every right to be recognized as much as anyone else. Your approval is neither required nor desired. Watch this space, my very little friend, and see just how much your social mores weather this storm. Prepare to see a fair and honest new world replace your insecure, elitist, patriarchal, divisive, failed world fall away into the depths of oblivion.

Our beautiful new world has room for everyone to pursue their happiness, their love and their joy. You can keep your world. Enjoy.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by ollncasino

 

Many people also voted that african americans weren't allowed to vote.

You make an interesting point. People should only respect the will of the democratic majority if they personally agree with it?

Isn't that what revolutionaries do?

By the way, when and where did people vote that african americans weren't allowed to vote?

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by ollncasino

 

Many people also voted that african americans weren't allowed to vote.

You make an interesting point. People should only respect the will of the democratic majority if they personally agree with it?

Isn't that what revolutionaries do?

By the way, when and where did people vote that african americans weren't allowed to vote?

That would be everyone who voted against the 14th amendment.And as for respect for the democratic process seems like a great idea. So when it is voted that everyone is fully equal it should stand on constitutionality alone. BTW making gay marriage a religious issue is a political ploy. marriage was first a material contract long before the christian marriage tried to gain ownership of the institution.
bottom line is marriage has existed since long before Christianity and had had many forms but was mostly a transfer of ownership and a trade agreement between fathers.As such claims that gay marriage dishonor the institution are solely christian views and as such are imposing a religion on people. My god hung out with tax collectors and prostitutes and did not judge them but showed them love. So what up X-tians? why not put a little Christ back in your lives?
APB


"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, "

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That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, "

And are gays not part of the governed? Therefore, they deserve their rights, just as stated in the Declaration of Independence.

Otherwise, they are bound by neither law nor creator of law.

Instead of calling it any type of marriage we should all just call it civil union.

I think gay people want to get married because of the benefits you get from a legal marriage. Like tax breaks etc...

Originally posted by VerityPhantom
Instead of calling it any type of marriage we should all just call it civil union.

I think gay people want to get married because of the benefits you get from a legal marriage. Like tax breaks etc...

Too late.

Around the world other countries have also already legalized Gay Marriage. You just don't put the genie back in the box.

Gays want Equality. Simple. If heteros get tax breaks from Legal Marriage - - then gays should get the same breaks.