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The Birth Control Controversy

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posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 12:24 PM
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The reason that insurance cover birth control is many fold.

But one key economic factor is that Pregnancy, Prenatal Care,
Birth and complicated pregnancy + delivery, post natal complications are more
expensive for Insurance companies than most contraception methods.
The is 100% true when you examine the total expense of both -

For those of you who are all about the freedom of business and the free market,
this is a case where attacking the role of birth control in society is in effect,
regulating the insurance companies and inflicting economic burden upon them.




posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 01:16 PM
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Nobody here to address the real truth of the matter?



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 01:29 PM
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no, you nailled it !


People angry about that are just frustated or the so called christian cnservatives lol



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 02:05 PM
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But, the fact is, no matter how many "reasons" you dream up, that pesky little First Amendment just keeps getting in your way.

That is the heart of the issue and all the Sandra Flukes in the world won't change it.



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by WTFover
But, the fact is, no matter how many "reasons" you dream up, that pesky little First Amendment just keeps getting in your way.

That is the heart of the issue and all the Sandra Flukes in the world won't change it.



What does the first amendment have to do with birth control?



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by WTFover
But, the fact is, no matter how many "reasons" you dream up, that pesky little First Amendment just keeps getting in your way.

That is the heart of the issue and all the Sandra Flukes in the world won't change it.


What are you on about?

The 1st amendment is not a tool for religious Fascists to use as a dictating implement.
That is a bologna cover so zealots can inflict morality upon others.

I think it is pretty pathetic using the constitution as an excuse to restrict liberty.



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 02:11 PM
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For some religious beliefs, birth control is a sin and sex for pleasure versus procreation is a sin. Having the government forcing their adherence to a law that counters that religious belief would violate the First Amendment, specifically freedom of religion.
edit on 3-3-2012 by Ahabstar because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 02:12 PM
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If a mod needs to remove this, then fine. But, I can only reply...

Please....



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by Ahabstar
reply to post by Muttley2012
 


For some religious beliefs, birth control is a sin. Sex for pleasure is a sin. Having the government forcing their adherence to a law that counters that religious belief would violate the First Amendment, specifically freedom of religion.


So, health insurance companies are now religious institutions? That's news to me.



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by Muttley2012

Originally posted by WTFover
But, the fact is, no matter how many "reasons" you dream up, that pesky little First Amendment just keeps getting in your way.

That is the heart of the issue and all the Sandra Flukes in the world won't change it.



What does the first amendment have to do with birth control?


Its another typical right wing way to instill their Fascist ideas on America,
just like Citizens Untied. Constitution is toilet paper to be used like toilet
paper I guess.



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by Ahabstar
reply to post by Muttley2012
 


For some religious beliefs, birth control is a sin and sex for pleasure versus procreation is a sin. Having the government forcing their adherence to a law that counters that religious belief would violate the First Amendment, specifically freedom of religion.
edit on 3-3-2012 by Ahabstar because: (no reason given)


so people can chose not to talk that pill or wear a condom.

I mean this is the biggest farce I have ever seen.

How many times has someone FORCED you to wear a condom?



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 02:16 PM
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No, but let's say you work for a Catholic Private School that self-insures. You don't have to be Catholic to work there. Can you demand that they provide you with birth control when it counters their religious beliefs?



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by WTFover
reply to post by Muttley2012
 


If a mod needs to remove this, then fine. But, I can only reply...

Please....


This comes down to individual rights, a person can decide to use birth control or not.
If they have religious reasons not to, they won't... I really can hardly believe you are
trying to frame it this way.



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by mastahunta


How many times has someone FORCED you to wear a condom?


Many girlfriends, but that is a different topic.



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by Ahabstar
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No, but let's say you work for a Catholic Private School that self-insures. You don't have to be Catholic to work there. Can you demand that they provide you with birth control when it counters their religious beliefs?


How is it the companies business what people do with their bodies... The Catholic school does not
own the employee.



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by Ahabstar

Originally posted by mastahunta


How many times has someone FORCED you to wear a condom?


Many girlfriends, but that is a different topic.


But you could have said: "fine then, we won't have sex"



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by Ahabstar
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No, but let's say you work for a Catholic Private School that self-insures. You don't have to be Catholic to work there. Can you demand that they provide you with birth control when it counters their religious beliefs?


If they pay me a salary, I can buy birth control with that.
They have no way around providing me with birth control.



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by Ahabstar
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No, but let's say you work for a Catholic Private School that self-insures. You don't have to be Catholic to work there. Can you demand that they provide you with birth control when it counters their religious beliefs?


Yes, because your rights end where mine begin and vice versa. If you have a religious belief against birth control, fine, don't take it. However, if I want birth control, you have no right to imposes your belief system upon my person.



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by narwahl

Originally posted by Ahabstar
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No, but let's say you work for a Catholic Private School that self-insures. You don't have to be Catholic to work there. Can you demand that they provide you with birth control when it counters their religious beliefs?


If they pay me a salary, I can buy birth control with that.
They have no way around providing me with birth control.


Many the real point is trying to eliminate it from society all together, because it
will "stop" fornication.



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 02:28 PM
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Originally posted by mastahunta
The 1st amendment is not a tool for religious Fascists to use as a dictating implement.
That is a bologna cover so zealots can inflict morality upon others.


The First Amendment (capitalized to give it the distinction it deserves) is a defense against anti-religion totalitarians, who wish to "inflict" their beliefs upon others.

You can continue to try the straw man tactic, like the rest of the liberals, but I won't play that way. The issue is a religious organization, free to exercise such religion, cannot be forced, by the state to pay for something that violates the basic tenets of such religion. Period. Nothing more. Nothing less.

No one has, is or will be refused the right to obtain contraceptives.





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