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Originally posted by dawnstar
maybe it isn't so much single parents, but rather the dysfunctional families, which usually lead to divorce, that is an issue when it comes to abuse???
is so then why is the family disfunctional to begin with would be an issue.
is there issues stemming from outside of the family's control, such as economic problems?
is one of the partners having a problem with communication...or both?
is one of the partners abusive, or both....ect.....
like it or not, there are times when removing one of the partners from the picture can turn a dysfunctional family into a more functional one!!!
the statement that "single parenthood causes child abuse" is also a blanket statement at best. more than likely, it's more like, the problems that lead to divorce, can also lead to child abuse!!!
I do believe that we should do something with the social service system we have that makes it more beneficial monetarily for a women to ditch the man after the kid comes into the picture though.
CLASSES TEACHING how to respond well emotionally, supportively, lovingly to children regardless DO HELP A LOT.
I don't see any call to be nasty
Wake up people! DO NOT LET CHILD SERVICES TAKE YOUR KIDS!
Originally posted by Astrithr
I think the title of the article is a little misleading. If I understand it correctly, he's saying that single parenthood is a contributing factor to child abuse, not child abuse itself. Which is true, some studies have shown that child abuse in single parent households is nearly double that of two parent households.
I don't know, I'm kind of on the fence with this one. Child abuse is an awful thing, and far too common here in the U.S.. Something really needs to be done to stop it... But at the same time, I don't like people being singled out like this.
Originally posted by KilrathiLG
so is there definition of single parent a divorced and living alone parent or does it count as abuse if your not married as the guy who wrote the bill said out of wed lock meaning if you have kids and aren't married then that would be child abuse even if you had two parents? pretty much sticks it to any one trying to adopt whos not married as well and probably shortens gay and lesbian prospective adopters at least if it defines "single" as un married.....whats with all the states passing shady crazy laws all of a sudden?
Originally posted by milominderbinder
This whole right-wing dictatorship that took hold w/ the Walker administration is beyond deplorable. It's downright treasonous.
Soooooo the old Social Worker hostility to psychologists stuff comes screaming through.
LOL.
I do NOT have any need for even single parents to be burdened with unfitting guilt. I would like to see them and other parents in less than ideal families (isn't that everyone?) motivated to minimize ATTACHMENT DISORDER stuff that may already exist and to prevent such as much as possible. I'm not the least bit ashamed for those goals and motivations.
In terms of high horse . . . I've met at least as many, if not more, social workers traveling routinely on their high horses than I have psychologists.
Psychologists can be imperious, smug etc. and that's one reason I didn't buy into that whole professional psychologist culture and meme.
However, Social Workers can be routinely smug, haughty, prissy, authoritarian etc. No thanks.
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by candismoo
Welcome to ATS. I already admire your passion, but I'm not clear on something you said.
Wake up people! DO NOT LET CHILD SERVICES TAKE YOUR KIDS!
I don't remember seeing anything in the articles talking about Child Services or losing your kid. If I missed something, please let me know. I agree with you, losing your kids is a terrible thing to have happen. It should only be used in cases of obvious necessity.
Originally posted by DorianSoran
Originally posted by milominderbinder
This whole right-wing dictatorship that took hold w/ the Walker administration is beyond deplorable. It's downright treasonous.
Haha, you must be a government worker?
I know quite a few here in Wisconsin that were upset when forced to pay EXCATLY what the private sector has been paying, well, FOREVER.
I have always had to pay what and contribute what you are being "forced" to now.
I am not a Democrat nor a republican, but I will say KUDOS Walker, thanks for leveling the playing field and forcing people to pay what I and most other private sector workers pay.
Now, if only my tax bill would be reduced since I am responsible for a little bit less of milominderbinde's pension fund and health care bill.
Dorian Soran
The good doctor!edit on 4-3-2012 by DorianSoran because: R* = 20/year, fp = 0.5, ne = 2, fl = 1, fi = 0.1, fc = 0.1, and L = 100,000 years
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by milominderbinder
Dear milominderbinder,
I'd be happy to give you my impression of the article, correct me if I'm wrong. This law directs the Wisconsin board that has administrative control over the Wisconsin Children's Trust fund to use single parenting as a factor when teaching and helping communities to have better parenting results.
There is no penalty to any single parent. This has nothing to do with law enforcement or Child Protective Services, no child gets taken away just because they're in a single parent home.
It's just saying to a research and education group "Please remember single parenting as a factor when your researching or teaching about abuse prevention." That's it, at least as I see it.
With respect,
Charles1952
I'm sure Frederick Douglass would have been surprised indeed to learn that single-parenthood was "abusive". I would have thought that it was the whippings and slavery. Likewise...good thing that Leonardo Da Vinci didn't have that "considered", huh? He might have been hustled off to a monastery with all the orphans.
. . . are abject failures?
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by milominderbinder
Dear milominderbinder,
It seems as though we're really missing each other here.
I'm sure Frederick Douglass would have been surprised indeed to learn that single-parenthood was "abusive". I would have thought that it was the whippings and slavery. Likewise...good thing that Leonardo Da Vinci didn't have that "considered", huh? He might have been hustled off to a monastery with all the orphans.
Nobody in Wisconsin is saying single-parenthood is abusive. There are many factors which might make abuse more likely; parental poverty or lack of employment, parents who had been victimized as children, no support network, lack of education, living in a crime-ridden neighborhood. All of those can make it more likely that abuse will occur. None of them by themselves mean that abuse will occur, only that it's more likely. All this law does is tell the Children's Trust Fund to throw single-parenthood into the mix with all the other factors.
Maybe single-parenthood makes it a half percent more likely, maybe 20% more likely. But it's not grounds to take any action against the parent or the child. Are we together now?
With respect,
Charles1952