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Originally posted by oppodeldoc
I haven't seen the movie in months, but I seem to remember thinking that Moore's point (this is my opinion, of course) was that America's problem ISN'T with the NRA (he's a member!), with gun control, violent video games, etc. I think he was saying our problem is that we live in a society of fear, of losing all the things you point to above. The Charlton Heston thing was more of an aside because I think he wanted to get back at him, but I think that Moore aknowledges several times that our problem is not with special interests or gun nuts. It is almost an affirmation that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." People like Charlton Heston, that is.
I guess we're pretty off topic, but it is nice to get a well thought-out reply that isn't just a lame attempt to insult me. I was beginning to get a little skeptical about the folks on this site...
Originally posted by lmgnyc
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But I do think his implication that the NRA is a hinderance to real gun control is pretty bold, which is obviously what earned him the role of target dummy on gun ranges all across America.
Originally posted by kix
Then someone comes and makes very difficult choices and after YEARS of hard work you are recovering, you have a steady job your debt has been reduced sustanally and your Mortagge is paid and in 3 to 8 years you will have good savings and the posibility of a nice position economically...
Originally posted by oppodeldoc
By the way, I like this link. It says the Bush administration appeared "Surprised" when that report came out. I wonder why? Here are some suggestions...
And here, the Administration just sounds totally out of touch (surprise):
When the commission studying the 9/11 terrorist attacks refuted the Bush administration's claims of a connection between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden, we suggested that President Bush apologize for using these claims to help win Americans' support for the invasion of Iraq. We did not really expect that to happen. But we were surprised by the depth and ferocity of the administration's capacity for denial. President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have not only brushed aside the panel's findings and questioned its expertise, but they are also trying to rewrite history.
Mr. Bush said the 9/11 panel had actually confirmed his contention that there were "ties" between Iraq and Al Qaeda. He said his administration had never connected Saddam Hussein to 9/11. Both statements are wrong.
Before the war, Mr. Bush spoke of far more than vague "ties" between Iraq and Al Qaeda. He said Iraq had provided Al Qaeda with weapons training, bomb-making expertise and a base in Iraq. On Feb. 8, 2003, Mr. Bush said that "an Al Qaeda operative was sent to Iraq several times in the late 1990's for help in acquiring poisons and gases." The 9/11 panel's report, as well as news articles, indicate that these things never happened.
The message, if we hear it properly, is that when it comes to this critical issue, the vice president is not prepared to offer any evidence beyond the flimsy-to-nonexistent arguments he has used in the past, but he wants us to trust him when he says there's more behind the screen. So far, when it comes to Iraq, blind faith in this administration has been a losing strategy.
Originally posted by boogyman
Dn't you mean cut spending on obsolete military technology and redundant intelligence branches as well as bombing potential terrorist bases and leaving a memo for the next admistration warning of the gathering terrorist threat right? Yeah clinton was such a villain ....
Originally posted by boogyman
The fact remains we are currently fighting with a Clinton military, aparently this current admin. had enough faith in it to believe thhat we could win the war iin Iraq with one hhand tied behind our back