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Chemtrails mentioned/discussed on Austrailan News 2011

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posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 09:23 PM
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reply to post by Human_Alien
 

Sorry I will stop derailing your thread.
I just get upset when they have never explained all the ground pollution yet.
I start at the bottom and work my way up.
They are defending what is in the air,
when they have not even proved they cleaned up the pollution,
on the ground yet.




posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 09:27 PM
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Sorry mate but somebody that started another thread proved that you and your crew are dis-info agents a million times over.


Well then provide a link to this thread if you are so confident that he and his crew are dis info agents..


So someone that uses research and scientific reasoning is a dis info agent?
I see you have decided to jump on the norm of chemtrail believers and start name calling, good job!!!


Again how about that link so that the rest of us can see this thread you talk about and this proof you say is on there.

This should be good!!!!



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 09:32 PM
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reply to post by tsurfer2000h
 

I was trying to be polite.

I have a answer in some sick way you worship the stuff,
If you can not make contrails, you add smoke to it to appear as such.



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 09:37 PM
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Doubtful.

All the lies and disinfo has come from the pro chemtrail camp.

Kucinich's Bill
German Duppel
Barium on KSLA
The entire "documentary" What in the world are they spraying
Contrails dissipate quickly
Arizona skywatch

Need I continue?



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posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 09:44 PM
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They are defending what is in the air, when they have not even proved they cleaned up the pollution, on the ground yet.


Did you ever think that ground pollution is caused because of things that are closer to the ground such as humans,cars,trucks, industry, animal and plant life before anything that is at 30,000 ft in the air. But you already thought about that now didn't you?


What do so called chemtrails at 30,000 ft have to do with ground pollution?



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by Human_Alien
 


Now your thread has become a disinfo brochure for the chemtrailers.

Just ATS search Kucinich, it's been disucussed and debunked a million times.

You guys have got to get past the lies if you want the truth!



First off, don't ever call me a liar. Liars lie on purpose. That is NOT my style.
Secondly, I am not aware of such a discrepancy.
Thirdly, you are the rudest member on this site bar none.
Lastly:

ATS + Discussions DOES NOT = debunk



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 09:48 PM
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Don't forget

Mr Will Thomas
Clifford Carnicom
WITWATS

Oh yeah can't forget

rense.com..



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 09:49 PM
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Without knowing I have drank water from the

Hughes Aircraft Superfund Clean Up Site

So in that regard I must of been ignorant,
or to busy looking up,
when I should have been looking at,
what was floating in my cup.



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 09:55 PM
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First off, don't ever call me a liar. Liars lie on purpose.


That's right, your not a liar, but.....



Does that just about sum it up?



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by Gmoneycricket
reply to post by Human_Alien
 

Sorry I will stop derailing your thread.
I just get upset when they have never explained all the ground pollution yet.
I start at the bottom and work my way up.
They are defending what is in the air,
when they have not even proved they cleaned up the pollution,
on the ground yet.



You're not derailing by default! Simply because I don't understand where you're coming from. I know you're discussing something related to this phenomena but just not exactly sure, what. And the above post, didn't help any.

What does cleaning the pollution have to do with this?

Here's the bottom line. We need to stop listening to the overlords!
You want answers? Research it yourself. You want solutions? Get proactive.

People seem to think others will do all this crap for us. Either 'explain' something or 'fix' something. Those days are over because we no longer trust 'their' word or intent.

I really think it's too late. "They" have gained a lot of control and each day...it's getting worse.

Side note: I was reading a thread the other day about this mysterious plume of water coming out of a drain in Hawaii. A member of ATS went down there to take pictures for us.
However he was asked/warned not to (he did however) but it's gotten to the point where we can't even take a friggin photo.

So you think we're going to get answers about pollution? Or aerosol spraying? Or dead birds falling out of the sky? Ha!

We're on our own. No one to turn to anymore. You want answers?.........trust your own impression because your opinion is no worse than silence!



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by Gmoneycricket
 





They are defending what is in the air, when they have not even proved they cleaned up the pollution, on the ground yet.


Did you ever think that ground pollution is caused because of things that are closer to the ground such as humans,cars,trucks, industry, animal and plant life before anything that is at 30,000 ft in the air. But you already thought about that now didn't you?


What do so called chemtrails at 30,000 ft have to do with ground pollution?


Look at your own post,
I think
You cannot handle the truth.
Ramble on I will watch.......
Tucson Airport Superfund Clean Up Site
yosemite.epa.gov...


The following is a summary of Potentially Responsible Parties (PRPs) which EPA has identified at the TIAA. PRPs for the Airport Property and TARP (also known as Area A) include the City of Tucson, Raytheon (TARP only), the U.S. Air Force, McDonnel Douglas Corporation, Tucson Airport Authority, and General Dynamics Corporation. Burr-Brown has been identified as a PRP for the eastern-most part of Area B contamination. EPA named these PRPs due to their roles as owners or operators of facilities that disposed hazardous substances (such as TCE) to the environment. EPA has enforceable legal settlements (such as consent decrees) requiring the cleanup of each of those three project areas. Contamination from the former West Cap Property is being addressed by EPA as there are no viable PRPs at that facility.

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Thirty years after TCE was discovered in the south side's groundwater and nearly 25 years after the pollution cleanup started, officials say they still don't know how long it will take to finish the job. Removal of the cancer-causing solvent is taking longer than expected because of high contamination levels in parts of the aquifer, the complexity of the aquifer's geology and the difficulty in predicting cleanup speeds with computer models, officials say. Read more: azstarnet.com...
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posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 10:06 PM
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I guess I should have realised that you would misinterpret what I said.

I never called you a liar, I said you have to get past the lies.

Dunno how that's rude, it's true.



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 10:08 PM
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You mention ground based sources.

I've tried to point this out before....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Out of sight out of mind I guess!

List of Superfund sites too.


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posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 10:09 PM
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Why do you quote posts that aren't even directed to you?
If you think I will open a video or read your replies (when I know where you stand on this matter) you are seriously mistaking and misguided.


If you maybe said your piece....and showed up once in a while to reenforce your opinion....I'd have more respect and energy for you. But you ambush these threads and it gets boring and played out.


Less is more.
You may want to exercise that approach once in a while.



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by Human_Alien
 


I guess I should have realised that you would misinterpret what I said.

I never called you a liar, I said you have to get past the lies.

Dunno how that's rude, it's true.





How am I supposed to know who 'the lies' was intended for?
There would be no misinterpretation if there was more clarity.

And you can't even explain something without a cutting remark..... like your first line. Were you just born rude or did ATS make you this way? Yuck!



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 10:18 PM
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Why do you quote posts that aren't even directed to you?


I am pretty sure we have had this conversation before and I do remember that this is an open forum where any member can reply to any post, unless you can show me anywhere it is against the T&C for ATS you may as well get used to anyone replying to any post they feel fit to.If you have a problem with that I would suggest you take it up with the staff here at ATS or get used to it. Sorry if you cannot handle other members replying to your posts, but that is what makes ATS a great place.



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 10:27 PM
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If you maybe said your piece....and showed up once in a while to reenforce your opinion....I'd have more respect and energy for you. But you ambush these threads and it gets boring and played out.


Believe it or not I reply when I feel like, it there is no ambush. In fact if you would have paid attention I have been posting in this thread from the beginning.


Just because one doesn't post every few minutes does not mean one is just popping up and ambushing a thread. If you would stop posting things that have been discussed and thoroughly debated you would get better debates. If you have a problem with what get's posted in these threads then by all means quit making them and that will end your problems will it not? Just a thought.



posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 11:38 PM
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I think the thread is called operation destroy ignorance. It'll be in the chemtrail forums.

Basically the guy just took mainstream material where HAARP researchers explain how chemtrails can be used to enhance the operations of HAARP. They further explain there are HAARP operations in Russia and in Europe.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by Gmoneycricket

Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by Gmoneycricket
 





They are defending what is in the air, when they have not even proved they cleaned up the pollution, on the ground yet.


Did you ever think that ground pollution is caused because of things that are closer to the ground such as humans,cars,trucks, industry, animal and plant life before anything that is at 30,000 ft in the air. But you already thought about that now didn't you?


What do so called chemtrails at 30,000 ft have to do with ground pollution?


Look at your own post,
I think
You cannot handle the truth.
Ramble on I will watch.......
Tucson Airport Superfund Clean Up Site
yosemite.epa.gov...



Your quote supports his point - that site was an industrial site using all sorts of chemicals for all sorts of process that were carelessly dumped in days when such things were allowed - long, long before the chemtrail hoax started or even says there was a problem.

Industries there included aircraft and electrical manufacturing, unlined landfills and unlined fire drill training areas - all of these have leeched chemicals into the ground soil.

Here's a better overview - Tuscon airport superfund site

So it is ground generated pollution causing a problem - well done!



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:30 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by Gmoneycricket

Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by Gmoneycricket
 





They are defending what is in the air, when they have not even proved they cleaned up the pollution, on the ground yet.


Did you ever think that ground pollution is caused because of things that are closer to the ground such as humans,cars,trucks, industry, animal and plant life before anything that is at 30,000 ft in the air. But you already thought about that now didn't you?


What do so called chemtrails at 30,000 ft have to do with ground pollution?


Look at your own post,
I think
You cannot handle the truth.
Ramble on I will watch.......
Tucson Airport Superfund Clean Up Site
yosemite.epa.gov...



Your quote supports his point - that site was an industrial site using all sorts of chemicals for all sorts of process that were carelessly dumped in days when such things were allowed - long, long before the chemtrail hoax started or even says there was a problem.

Industries there included aircraft and electrical manufacturing, unlined landfills and unlined fire drill training areas - all of these have leeched chemicals into the ground soil.

Here's a better overview - Tuscon airport superfund site

So it is ground generated pollution causing a problem - well done!



So what was the
The United States Air Force Manufacturing
And why off base and at the airport when they have their own air force base.
Air National Guard and TIA share the same area?


Release Date: 09/13/2011
Today, the Environmental Protection Agency announced that the Air Force has signed an agreement with EPA and the Arizona Department of Environmental Quality to clean up Air Force-owned property at Air Force Plant 44, part of the Tucson International Airport Area Superfund Site in Tucson.


yosemite.epa.gov...

And yes that is the contrail conspiracy
make everyone look up
and argue about what is in the air
and not on the ground from planes past.

See the airlines are so afraid
that when a man believes in contrails
but points out pollution, left on the ground,
he needs to be silenced.

Remember the ones afraid,
work at the airlines and,
If anyone ever farts on a plane,
all future passengers will receive an enema to insure
no methane threats during operation.

Are they afraid,
or just have low self esteem,
and get their feelings hurt,
because someone is calling their trails names,
like chemtrails or pollution?

And they keep trying to convince me
there is no chemtrails on the ground
but post proof of
Super Chemtrail Clean Up Sites!






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edit on 5-3-2012 by Gmoneycricket because: Release Date: 09/13/2011



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