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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by Lazarus Short
I don't go ballistic to support a cult.
Um, when does dewey NOT go ballistic?
If anything, I am against cultish beliefs, of any kind.
I no longer support a futurist view of Revelation and am instead taking a Preterist position that everything John saw that he wrote about happened in his lifetime.
The whore in that sort of scheme would be what was going on at the time Revelation was written, which was people perverting the freedom from the Old Testament Law, into liberty to "sin all you want".
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by NOTurTypical
No it isn't and most people have corrected you in this thread.
Wrong. People posting there personal fanciful interpretations of scripture does not amount to correcting me.
Its funny that I'm the only one going by whats in the bible here.
Turn to revelations 17:18 which deals with the "whore"...or the "woman" of revelations 17
And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
Earlier in the same chapter, the "whore" or "city" is depicted as being drunk with the blood of the holy people/saints.
And going by the bible, knows that only ONE city in all of the bible is accused of the same thing....and that is Jerusalem....as shown in Matthew 23:35.
Also, pay attention to the fact that the same language is used to describe BOTH the whore and Jerusalem.
Isaiah 47:7 / Revelation 18:7
Jeremiah 4:30-31 / Revelation 17:4
So....give your personal interpretations a rest and stick with whats in the bible on this one.
Ever noticed how Revelations 17 ends with the whore getting destroyed...and the next chapter is dedicated to Babylon's destruction?
The human yearning for freedom from God's Law (doing your own thing or "sin all you want") was not only restricted to the time of the Apostle John! The letters to the seven churches also imply an historical progression.
You seem to have had some past experience with Seventh Day Adventism, but it is not always so clear to individuals of that denomination what all the appropriate labels are for their brand of eschatology. I would say it is all three of those, rolled together, that prophecy is not restricted in how many times it can be applied, so you can see a past, direct fulfillment, a future fulfillment in a not so literal way, and as a progression of events over the course of history.
As to Preterism, I was under the impression that it is only one of three major schools of thought on the interpretation of the Revelation: Preterist, Historicist, and Futurist.
I'm not turning to anything, I've stated numerous times, as well as others, that your interpretation is quite off.
The "whore" IS mystery Babylon!!
Originally posted by Lazarus Short
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Yes, we all have ears, but not everyone has the ability to understand what he/she is hearing. For that matter, I have found in my life that not everyone has the ability to see what they are looking at. Some people never "get" it. For instance, it is all too easy to miss the great love affair between God and his bride - the love, courtship, elopement, betrayal, rejection, divorce, and eventual reconciliation. I am presently writing a book on the subject, currently researching how God cast off Judah, after casting off Israel. It's not a pretty sight, but I read Hosea, and take heart.
You dont even want to look up the verses that clearly identify Jerusalem as the whore and you want to comment on my "interpretation"?
the whore is Babylon. "Mystery Babylon" is any false religion/Idolatry.
Look at the last verse in chapter 17, it tells you exactly who the whore is, Babylon, the "great city".
To summarize it for you.... I am talking about the whore... who is "the city"... Babylon...being described in the same way as Jerusalem. Proof shown above.
On one hand we have Jerusalem being charged with the blood of the saints. Matthew 23:35
On the other hand, we have Babylon being accused of the same exact thing. Revelations 18:24
Thats what the bible says...Deal with it.
So what's the issue here if we both agree that the whore of Revelation 17 is the "great city" Babylon?
If "Jerusalem' is the whore and "all the blood of the saints" is upon her head then who is responsible for killing the saints and the righteous for 1,900 some years that Jerusalem was in ruins? On who's hands is responsible for the blood shed of the prophets, saints, and righteous during the middle-ages?
You know, if the scripture simply revealed Rome or somebody else as the whore, I would have no choice but to accept it. But instead, its Jerusalem that's shown to be the whore/Babylon.
The whore is that "great city" Babylon, the literal city on the banks of the Euphrates river.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by POPUP2000
Did you read the quotes in green and orange in the OP? They demonstrate some of the many parallels between Jerusalem and Babylon.
Here's a little tutoring on prophetic language.
Babylon=another way to God, ungodly religion, religion involved in getting back to God on man;s terms not God's terms.
Tower of Bab'El= Bab'El means "Gateway to God" or another way to God.
Egypt=Babylon. Egypt has similar meaning in prophetic language as Babylon.
Mountains/hills= nations or great cities/capitols/governments
City that sits on 7 hills or mountains=Great city or Capitol given power or authority over a league of 7 great nations.
Seas/rivers=multitudes of people
Women=religions, so Whore of Babylon=religion representing another way to God other than the official one he sanctions, Woman that hopped in the sack and began fornicating with paganism the minute her husband turned his back.
Locusts= godly doctrines that plague the unrighteous and trouble them
Woman with wings of an eagle= religion of purity, of God, faithful to her husband and master (Yeshua)
Woman with wings of a stork= religion that is impure, of Satan, unfaithful to her husband/master (Yeshua)
Take Revelation 14:4
These are they which were NOT DEFILED WITH WOMEN; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb
Not defiled with WOMEN for they are VIRGINS, does not mean they are men who have never had sex with women and are virgin.
It means men who have never been defiled by ungodly religions, they remain untainted and true to the Lamb of God. They are the firstfruits, they have been glorified by God and given bodies like the angels. They are the first to be changed from men into Sons of God after Yeshua.