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Exclusive: Homeland Security Kept Tabs on Occupy Wall Street

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posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 02:34 AM
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Exclusive: Homeland Security Kept Tabs on Occupy Wall Street


www.rollingstone .com

By Michael Hastings


As Occupy Wall Street spread across the nation last fall, sparking protests in more than 70 cities, the Department of Homeland Security began keeping tabs on the movement. An internal DHS report entitled “SPECIAL COVERAGE: Occupy Wall Street," dated October of last year, opens with the observation that "mass gatherings associated with public protest movements can have disruptive effects on transportation, commercial, and government services, especially when staged in major metropolitan areas." While acknowledging the overwhelmingly peaceful nature of OWS, the repo
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posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 02:34 AM
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Why,am I not surprised? DHS keeping tabs on OWS.Sounds like Conintelpro is alive and well.Clearly if OWS and OTF and the original TEA party movement are the non threats that some claim they are then why would Big Sis feel the need to watch them? These movements have clearly struck a nerve why else would Obama's handlers have him pass the NDAA so quickly? They are scared.

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posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 02:38 AM
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OWS is causing more damage to the economical crises than good to it, as long as they protest and their message doesn't get out it's going to hit the US citizens in the face and bring further harsher and unhuman proposals from the government.



posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 03:04 AM
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OWS is causing more damage to the economical crises than good to it


You do not understand the economical crisis, period.

What a bunch of nonsense you spout...

OWS is PROTESTING the way the economy is set up, the reason for the economical crisis in the first place.

Holy cow some of you are so ignorant.

This comes from the article:


It’s never a good thing to see a government agency talk in secret about the need to “control protestors” – especially when that agency is charged with protecting the homeland against terrorists, not nonviolent demonstrators exercising their First Amendment rights to peaceable dissent.


PS. you are not a Muslim you are a human.
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posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 05:54 AM
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I don't know about anyone else, but I would be more concerned if they WEREN'T keeping tabs on OWS.



posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 06:02 AM
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Are we really suprised? The US Government keeps tabs on any group outside of the "norm."

Back in the 1960's, it was the Hippies and the John Birch Society, the KKK, the SD, Black Panthers...even the Beatles and Elvis...surely, you can bet the DHS is watching OWS, the Tea Party, and all of those extreme Americans that believe in the Constitution, own guns, pay cash, believe in Jesus, and fly a flag on the lawn...

Hell, half of North Carolina is probably under surveillance.



posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 06:58 AM
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I almost made a thread about this after reading the original leaked file in Wikileaks yesterday.

The file of course is found here too.

I didn't think it was that bad. Barely worth covering, as the DHS report is pretty tame. They list infrastructure safety above all else, and mainly talk about measures to keep things safe.


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posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 07:11 AM
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Considering DHS coordinated with Mayors across the country to initiate evictions of camps, it's not very surprising. Sad, but not surprising. Interesting times ahead.



posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 07:30 AM
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Originally posted by ComeFindMe
I don't know about anyone else, but I would be more concerned if they WEREN'T keeping tabs on OWS.



If the DHS is the one keeping tabs, what will the FBI and the CIA do? Keeping an eye on protesters is not even in the scope of what DHS is supposed to do.

It never ceases to amaze me how people so readily accept tyranny.



posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 08:27 AM
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So does the Home Land Security class those at OWS or any other as Terrorists now?

Is that not the reasons, Home land security was set up in the first place.

There are far more dangerous groups out there than those who participate in the OWS movement as a whole.



posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 08:30 AM
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Originally posted by MrWendal

If the DHS is the one keeping tabs, what will the FBI and the CIA do? Keeping an eye on protesters is not even in the scope of what DHS is supposed to do.

It never ceases to amaze me how people so readily accept tyranny.


The whole point of the OWS protests were to bring as much attention as possible to their cause, so its not fair to then blame government agencies for taking notice. Any large scale political movement or demonstration has the ability to go sour, so I think its quite acceptable that the DHS become involved.

I also wouldn't expect one agency to take sole responsibility of overseeing / watching over an issue - the DHS would get pelters if it turned out they had no intel, no sources, no opinions on the OWS protests - especially if something went awry.

Tyranny this aint, fella.



posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 09:35 AM
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You do not understand the economical crisis, period.


A bold statement.


What a bunch of nonsense you spout...


Keep going.


OWS is PROTESTING the way the economy is set up, the reason for the economical crisis in the first place.


Ah! Here we are.

The claim that OWS is causing more damage to the economy is not quite accurate, to be sure. However... This is not really in line with reality, either.

OWS is not protesting the way the economy is set up. OWS is demonstrating against the concept of wealth and private ownership (they don't really understand they are against private ownership - because the idea of the government giving them something doesn't quite get factored out more than one or two iterations). A considerably different objective.

Now - to be sure, there are people within OWS who do have an individual thought process - but they are not among the activist segment (few people capable of individual thought degrade their own opinion with the mindless acts of the masses).

The problems in the economy, today, almost all stem from government intervention that has established the precedent that government has the authority to micro-manage businesses and individuals at nearly every level. The government has, recently, even gained the authority (without due process, mind you: such a change requires an amendment to the Constitution to place legislation regarding health care outside of the state's explicit domain as established within the 10th amendment) to force individuals to purchase certain services. And that's minor, compared to what they can do to businesses.

This makes the National government a prime candidate for lobbying efforts. Four lines of text in the appendix of a 2,000 page bill passed with only a few hours of review/debate can carry more economic weight than the invention of the light bulb.

We do not have a free market - we have a pay-to-play fascist government with socialized economic trends.

Which is why, in the figures guiding the OWS movement, there is a concentrated effort to make people believe it is the free market that is failing.

The direction OWS is going will, effectively, make corporate bureaucracy and our government the same thing. Representatives will argue not on behalf of citizens but on behalf of their sponsors in attempts to give them competitive market edges (where there's still the illusion of a free market) or dedicated government contracts (where the government is gracing everyone with 'free' stuff - this is known as campaigning).

And if you think OWS is anything but - then you're idealistic to a fault. What they stand for and what they are doing are two different, mutually exclusive things.


This comes from the article:


There are basic concerns that arise any time there are large gatherings of people. It is why some districts require you to register for a demonstration.

Why? Well - history is full of examples. It's not uncommon for large groups of people to, for whatever reason, get a wild hair up their ass and start burning things down. Now - I know OWS is the 99%, so anything they do is with virtually unanimous support by anyone except those filthy rich bastards... but I'll admit I'm part of those evil 1% that would like to keep my home (if lacking wealth), and would prefer someone keep an eye on the emergent leaders within large groups of people.

Similarly, there is the potential for violence. Counter-demonstrations can show up, and they may be that 1%, and start their vision of exterminating all but a few thousand people - something that is, obviously, not favorable for the 99% - who will attempt to counter. At which point - the police must be there to support the 1% and their goal of global conquest.


PS. you are not a Muslim you are a human.


If only you understood the implications of this statement.



posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by ImaMuslim
OWS is causing more damage to the economical crises than good to it, as long as they protest and their message doesn't get out it's going to hit the US citizens in the face and bring further harsher and unhuman proposals from the government.


There is nothing economical about this crisis. Unless you're a bank or real estate developer. Then it's Benny's Bargain Basement.



posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 10:27 AM
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You are surprised that a bunch of hooligans with no respect for the laws are being watched by homeland security? I'm not surprised... They need to keep a closer eye on OWS to be honest.. Maybe it would cut down on the rapes,murders, and gun smuggling going on there!



posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by Laurauk
So does the Home Land Security class those at OWS or any other as Terrorists now?

Is that not the reasons, Home land security was set up in the first place.

There are far more dangerous groups out there than those who participate in the OWS movement as a whole.


The concern that DHS had was about protecting infrastructure and people from protests turned ugly.

Nothing conspiratorial about it.



posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 02:42 PM
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OWS is not protesting the way the economy is set up. OWS is demonstrating against the concept of wealth and private ownership (they don't really understand they are against private ownership - because the idea of the government giving them something doesn't quite get factored out more than one or two iterations).


Wait a second there...they don't understand what they are against? How is that possible unless that is your claim and/or opinion? That's demonizing right there.


Now - to be sure, there are people within OWS who do have an individual thought process - but they are not among the activist segment (few people capable of individual thought degrade their own opinion with the mindless acts of the masses).


This is the case with any group. No point there really. In any group there are also individuals that mess things up.


And if you think OWS is anything but - then you're idealistic to a fault. What they stand for and what they are doing are two different, mutually exclusive things.


Maybe it is you that doesn't understand what they really stand for? I do agree with a key point of yours however, that is that these groups are vulnerable to various groups trying to profit off the movement, or steer it into a politically preferable situation. That's a problem alright.


Similarly, there is the potential for violence. .


It is also not uncommon for police to use agent provocateurs against grass roots movements, or any type of anti-government/business protest.


If only you understood the implications of this statement.


Well, judging by that statement you don't believe I do. Go on, I'm interested in your take on it, even via PM.


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posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 05:56 PM
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Wait a second there...they don't understand what they are against? How is that possible unless that is your claim and/or opinion? That's demonizing right there.


You don't have to understand something to be against it. The difficult thing in working with people is that they, honestly, have no idea what they want - but they certainly know what they don't want.

People don't want to face financial problems. In a time when many are facing those - it is very easy to convince them that people without financial problems are the problem. This leads them to condemn private ownership and individual financial success (because, obviously, they must have done something wrong in order to avoid financial problems). So, since we are the 99% - it only seems reasonable that we can vote to raise taxes on people (they don't really need all that stuff, anyway... certainly not when I need to pay for a car... an almost essential thing for me to have - they don't need five of the damned things).

It's very easy to guide the thought process of most people. They get angry, upset, and know what they do not want. They will act based on what they do not want before considering the outcome. It's a mindless stampede of livestock; the power of which to be guided by the individuals with the intellect to see more than the ass in front of them.


Maybe it is you that doesn't understand what they really stand for?


It really depends. I've come across a number of forums with members under the impression they started OWS as something with more of a Libertarian (my descriptor) spirit - that they feel was hijacked by the neo-hippies and socialists. Others make it appear to be a bunch of pinko drama from the get-go.

But, let's be honest - while there are a number of different "think tanks" within the OWS movement; the activists (the ones that were speaking through and/or following a megaphone) are/were Marxist ideologues. Those activists are the ones doing more than treating the event as an open forum/moratorium.


It is also not uncommon for police to use agent provocateurs against grass roots movements, or any type of anti-government/business protest.


It's not?

According to... what/whom?

Generally speaking, the last thing to receive funding in any police force fall under "plain clothes" operations. Unmarked patrols - despite being some of the most effective means of identifying, tracking, and intercepting criminal activity; is often the first thing to go when a department is hit with financial shortages.

Further - I'm trained and serve with a unit with the purpose of securing HVAs and areas using various security methods. Provoking an attack is classified as a failure of those security protocols. Granted - that is in the military... but I'd kill the asshole who decided to provoke a mob of angry people into attacking me. I've got better things to do than be immortalized in an engraving of the "Second Boston Massacre." He would -not- want to -ever- return to face his comrades.

I can't imagine the police force is much different.


Well, judging by that statement you don't believe I do. Go on, I'm interested in your take on it, even via PM.


To be human is to be unique in our imperfections. You can choose to deny these imperfections (such as religious/racial/national identification of one's self) - or you can learn to understand and enjoy those imperfections that make us less than the ideal.

None of us has the ability to truly identify another person or control what identity they assume. I proclaim to be me - myself - an individual. I do not carry a more dominant identity than that - to attempt to classify me as "human" is, also, horribly insufficient. What does that say about who I am?

Of course - identifying what it is to be human is a very difficult thing to do. Many people do not want to acknowledge many of our underlying natures. We are a super-predator... with strong pack (and even herd) mentalities. This facet is often overlooked. Indeed - we would never have achieved the intelligence we have were we not predators. We cannot survive by merely breeding and eating what lay beneath our feet. We must be smart. We must perceive, understand, and plot.

It is a context of our behavior that is often overlooked, if not suppressed or condemned. We are predators by nature. We all have a hunger we seek to fill - a hunt we enjoy. It may not always be the hunting of another animal - or to the misfortune of another; but it is not in our blood to be fulfilled without the personal satisfaction that comes from the 'kill.' Spare for a few smaller sub-species of human made possible by sociological advances over the past several thousand years.



posted on Mar, 2 2012 @ 12:02 AM
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Originally posted by ComeFindMe
The whole point of the OWS protests were to bring as much attention as possible to their cause, so its not fair to then blame government agencies for taking notice. Any large scale political movement or demonstration has the ability to go sour, so I think its quite acceptable that the DHS become involved.


You make the mistake of treating each Government agency as an Individual. The point of a protest is to raise awareness from the public to your cause. This is why people, such as myself, have judged the actions within the OWS movement and have said things like, "Actions like xyz will hurt their cause and will cause people to not support them". Protesting is more about hearts and minds in the individual in order to draw awareness to an issue and then using that support to demand change from our elected officials.

The DHS is not an elected Official. DHS can not create change, which brings us to your next point..


I also wouldn't expect one agency to take sole responsibility of overseeing / watching over an issue - the DHS would get pelters if it turned out they had no intel, no sources, no opinions on the OWS protests - especially if something went awry.


And what would you expect to go awry with peaceful protesters that would require the oversight of a Federal Government Agency? OWS was not an organized group that used the internet to join forces with other like minded people across the nation. Each OWS group was independent of the other. Occupy Portland was not organized with Occupy in New York. So it was the responsibility of the local Agencies to gather information, not the Federal Government. By having DHS gathering information, what that means is the DHS ran operations to do so. This should be very alarming not only because DHS is a Federal Entity but because their stated reason for being is solely exclusive to protecting the Nation from Terrorist attack. That's it.

So maybe you can explain to me like I am a 6 year old why an Agency whose purpose for being was described as

The mission of the Office will be to develop and coordinate the implementation of a comprehensive national strategy to secure the United States from terrorist threats or attacks. The Office will coordinate the executive branch's efforts to detect, prepare for, prevent, protect against, respond to, and recover from terrorist attacks within the United States


Has any right to run Operations against a group of peaceful Protesters? Would you feel the same way you do now if instead of OWS it was Pro Life groups? Pro choice groups? Animal rights groups? Tax Protesters? Gun Rights advocates? Pick your protester!! Fact is if you allow a Federal Agency to over step it's authority and run operations on a domestic level that have NOTHING at all to with their purpose for being, you are inviting a further stripping of your rights in the name of "security".


Tyranny this aint, fella.


No not at all.... It is not Tyranny at all. I need to be protected from OWS cause every time I leave my house I am scared that an OWS protester is going to jump out the bushes and cause me harm me
Maybe I should go back to being a good little slave... seems to work for you

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posted on Mar, 2 2012 @ 05:07 AM
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Ahh, calling me a slave because i'm not fundamentally opposed to 'big Government'.

Surveillance of protest groups for animal rights, pro / anti life, religious beliefs / non-beliefs has and will continue to go on. That's because any protest, however peaceful originally, needs only one or two 'wrong uns' to turn sour.

All the Occupy protests were under the Occupy banner - it was an international movement, fuelled by an emotional response to what some felt was / is a gross injustice. An individual, area-by-area approach would be completely useless as the information would all need to be aggregated anyway.

MrWendal, can you verify here and now that you can vouch for the good intentions of every single Occupy protester in the US? If you can't I would suggest you re-consider your view and re-consider why it might actually have been a good idea to at least acknowledge and monitor the protests.



posted on Mar, 2 2012 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by ComeFindMe
MrWendal, can you verify here and now that you can vouch for the good intentions of every single Occupy protester in the US? If you can't I would suggest you re-consider your view and re-consider why it might actually have been a good idea to at least acknowledge and monitor the protests.


No I can not.

Just like I can not vouch for the good intentions of anyone else on this planet. Including yourself.

I especially can not vouch for the good intentions of people within the Federal Government to not use information collected from peaceful people to persecute them for their personal beliefs. Can you?

At no point did I say it is a bad idea to acknowledge or monitor the protest. What I did say is that it is not the job of Homeland Security.. that is a big difference.



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