A Fragment of the Starchild’s FOXP2 Gene is Recovered

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I wish my research regarding this case wasn't in the 'Can you prove evolution is wrong?" thread since it now buried somewhere in that mess of pointless arguments. If it wasn't I could provide you with evidence that proves this claim wrong. Feel free to go scrounging through that thread for the information. I have already wasted too much time in that black hole.

I find the skull interesting, and am keeping an open mind to I hear more.

First, it is a real skull. Nobody has denied that.

The nose area and skull to spine area are very strange also.

They claim to have done all kinds of testing to rule out diseases.Seems like a specialist could probably determine that with a good level of confidence.

They show mineral testing shows how the mineral content is substantially different from the human skull found next to it. Different amounts of calcium etc...

There are strange fibers embedded in the bone, which cannot be easily explained away.

Most importantly, they are using PCR DNA testing which is good enough to put a person to death and solve cold case murders decades after the fact. DNA is hard science which doesn't lie.

I think they might be on to something.

Originally posted by jim3981
I find the skull interesting, and am keeping an open mind to I hear more.

First, it is a real skull. Nobody has denied that.

The nose area and skull to spine area are very strange also.

They claim to have done all kinds of testing to rule out diseases.Seems like a specialist could probably determine that with a good level of confidence.

They show mineral testing shows how the mineral content is substantially different from the human skull found next to it. Different amounts of calcium etc...

There are strange fibers embedded in the bone, which cannot be easily explained away.

Most importantly, they are using PCR DNA testing which is good enough to put a person to death and solve cold case murders decades after the fact. DNA is hard science which doesn't lie.

I think they might be on to something.

Look, the child's mDNA identified him as haplogroup B. Just the fact that he has a human Y chromosome--as they claim to have gotten the nuDNA on the first shot--says he has a human father.

He's human, end of story.

reply to post by Xcalibur254
so then you're a glutton for punishment.

reply to post by HappyBunny


A zygote may have been created from two aliens and put in a "third party" female egg to have this child. Genetic engineering.

At about 6:20 of the video on the homepage.
link

Originally posted by jim3981
reply to post by HappyBunny

 

A zygote may have been created from two aliens and put in a "third party" female egg to have this child. Genetic engineering.

At about 6:20 of the video on the homepage.
link

Sigh. Read:

DNA testing in 1999 at BOLD, a forensic DNA lab in Vancouver, British Columbia found standard X and Y chromosomes in two samples taken from the skull, "conclusive evidence that the child was not only human (and male), but both of his parents must have been human as well, for each must have contributed one of the human sex chromosomes".[7] Further DNA testing at Trace Genetics, which specializes in extracting DNA from ancient samples, in 2003 recovered mitochondrial DNA from both skulls. The child belongs to haplogroup C. Since mitochondrial DNA is inherited exclusively from the mother, it makes it possible to trace the offspring's maternal lineage. The DNA test therefore confirmed that the child's mother was a Haplogroup C human female. However, the adult female found with the child belonged to haplogroup A. Both haplotypes are characteristic Native American haplogroups, but the different haplogroup for each skull indicates that the adult female was not the child's mother. Trace Genetics obtained nuclear DNA, which contains chromosomes from both the father and the mother, from the adult female, but was not able to recover useful lengths of nuclear DNA or Y-chromosomal DNA of the father from the Starchild skull, despite conducting six consecutive tests. The founders of Trace Genetics stated that "[t]he inability to analyze nuclear DNA indicates that such DNA is either not present or present in sufficiently low copy number to prevent PCR analysis using methods available at the present time."

web.archive.org...://www.starchildproject.com/SCSreport.PDF

The child is human, with two human parents.

Now, nuDNA is difficult to obtain in any case, but the fact that it had a human Y chromosome at all should be more than enough to end this. Why would an alien go through the trouble of creating a test tube baby using a human ova and a human sperm?

Pye starts ~ 11 min into the radio show

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Using that 1999 information makes you sound like an idiot

Originally posted by mojo2012

Pye starts ~ 11 min into the radio show

edit on 6-3-2012 by mojo2012 because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by bottleslingguy
reply to post by HappyBunny

 

Using that 1999 information makes you sound like an idiot

No need for name calling, so watch it, buddy.

His new information doesn't prove anything other than the people touting this stupidity don't know what they're talking about and need to take a biochemistry or genetics course. Or two. Or three.

The fact that Pye retracted his claim about the nuDNA being extracted (that was around 2003 or so?), or that the sample was contaminated and isn't valid, is irrelevant. He's just trying to backtrack because he knows he's wrong. They extracted enough to know that the child has a human male Y chromosome.

Period. If you don't understand that, I can't help you, and if you want to go on believing in this stuff, that's up to you. This guy is ripping you off financially and intellectually and you can't even see it.

reply to post by HappyBunny

it's not name calling it's more of a if-the-shoe-fits kinda thing

reply to post by bottleslingguy


Well, some of us have manners and don't talk about the shoes you obviously wear. One of the biggest examples of a flawed position is personal attacks. Thanks for weakening your argument.

Originally posted by bottleslingguy
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Using that 1999 information makes you sound like an idiot

The DNA test was in 1999.

Originally posted by HappyBunny
Why would an alien go through the trouble of creating a test tube baby using a human ova and a human sperm?

Why wouldn't they? Let's them experiment with our race's biology. they would learn a lot.

reply to post by HappyBunny

ok so then stop wasting time with morons like me and either argue with the recent interview with Pye or email him directly with your questions and let us know how it went. Don't dance around the fringes and focus on stupid people like me, go right to the source... or are you afraid to pick on somebody with a brain?

Trusting the inmates running the asylum...

WHen I first heard about this one of the things I read was that the bone was more like tooth enamel than bone, completely different from anything on earth. Here is a link.

www.starchildproject.com...

In 2003 samples of the Starchild Skull's bone were examined using a scanning electron microscope. Previous research had discovered that the bone was thinner and more durable than normal human bone, and when examined under magnification strange fibers were found embedded within the bone.

Although the fibers are present only inside the bone, mycologists were consulted in an attempt to identify them as a fungus or other organism. They reported that it did not appear to be a biological contamination. Nothing like this has ever been seen in any kind of bone. Speculation is that these fibers act like the steel reinforcing rods in concrete, but so far the Starchild Project has not been able to isolate the fibers for further testing.

www.starchildproject.com...

BONE OF THE STARCHILD SKULL

The physical structure and appearance of the bone that makes up the Starchild Skull is radically different from normal human bone. The bone of the Starchild Skull

Is about half as thick as comparable human bone,

Weighs about half as much as comparable human bone,

Is significantly more durable than comparable human bone,

Contains a reddish residue and microscopic fibers unlike anything seen before in human bone,

Various aliments can cause thinning of the bone, such as Hydrocephaly, however ALL of these conditions cause the bone to become more brittle or weaker.

reply to post by kawika

the chemical composition of the bone is much different too.

I love how the people saying it's a deformed human skull ignore that as if it's insignificant.

Originally posted by OGOldGreg

Originally posted by HappyBunny
Why would an alien go through the trouble of creating a test tube baby using a human ova and a human sperm?

Why wouldn't they? Let's them experiment with our race's biology. they would learn a lot.

I love these questions. The funny thing is WE do this kind of stuff- travel into space, fiddle with genetics. Why is it so unbelieveable that others would too?

We got lots of members here on the forums, i'm sure some college student would be happy to perform the tests fo them


one thing i'm pretty sure of, even though its my opinion its not a deformed human skull. It's clearly not deformed, it's missing pieces of human anatomy and the skull itself has catered to those changes. Its meant to look that way.

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Exactly, plenty of people would do the test. Yet he hires someone to basically feed us information, no independent review. Why do you think that is?