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Occupy Teams Up With Nation of Islam?

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posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by Kali74

Labor Unions fight should absolutely be all of our fight.


I do not feel any particular solidarity with the proletariat whatsoever, to be brutally honest; especially given their attempted murder of me on at least two occasions while living in Melbourne's northern suburbs. With the exception of freelance Web design, I've been almost continually unemployed since the day I left school.

While I am not averse to industry as a general concept, I categorically refuse to accept mainstream employment, to the degree where I am genuinely willing to risk starvation as an alternative.

I do not consider those who are willing to accept such employment, to be worthy of my sympathy; for much the same reason that I do not feel any particular sympathy for those who are sufficiently gullible as to enter the military. Bondage is a conscious choice, to the same extent that freedom is; and for any who accept said bondage, their blood is on their own heads.

Far better to die on your feet, and take your chances in the meantime, than to always have a full belly on your knees. Even those who do choose to live on their knees, do not even have that. It is a hollow bargain; for your freedom you gain a chance at food, yes, but never any certainty of it.

I worship her whose name you use; and one of the main things she has taught me, is that life never contains security. It cannot be bought with freedom, money, or with any other method. It quite simply does not exist. The best we can do is to accept that; and we invariably find that life is far better for us when we have accepted that, than if we continue to delude ourselves that security is truly possible.
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posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 07:39 AM
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Laborers tried to murder you twice and therefor all unions are evil? Hmm. The thing about labor is that it involves a whole hell of a lot more than grunt work, we're not talking about a bunch of gorilla men carrying lumber or bricks. Most labor requires education and skill because building things requires precision, working with energy requires higher math skills. I don't know about you but I prefer that sewer systems work and bridges don't collapse and that any building I might happen to be working in or inside of doesn't burn to a crisp from the inside out due to faulty wiring.

This is extremely hard work and people have the right to be well compensated for it. The problem is the same at the top of Labor Unions as it is at the top of Corporations and the top of Banks and our governments world wide, corruption.



I worship her whose name you use; and one of the main things she has taught me, is that life never contains security. It cannot be bought with freedom, money, or with any other method. It quite simply does not exist. The best we can do is to accept that; and we invariably find that life is far better for us when we have accepted that, than if we continue to delude ourselves that security is truly possible.


You're right in a way. Security requires diligence and we got extremely lax; I fail to see a reason to shrug our shoulders and walk away. We can get back what we had, we fight and we remember to not let ourselves be lulled again.
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posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by Kali74
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This is extremely hard work and people have the right to be well compensated for it.


As far as the benefit of such work to the rest of society is concerned, I don't disagree with you on that. The only problem is, that the Western world at least, is now almost exclusively in the posession of psychopaths whose only real interest is squeezing the last few cents out of it, in more or less exactly the same way you'd squeeze an orange.

Try and dissent against that, and they set the police on you. Try and form any type of collective movement to combat it, and they buy out the leadership of it, and leave the rest of you thinking you're still doing what you intended, when you end up dancing to their tune.

Is there an answer? Sure. It doesn't involve getting into fights with the police, however. It involves the one thing which Occupy themselves, and even the older, persistently brain dead Socialist movement has largely avoided doing, for the most part; simply walking away from the cabal, and starting a different society.

Things like this, as one example...or this. I am not opposed to Socialism at all, if it is both the real thing, and they can actually make it work. I am, however, opposed to adolescent punk violence, and BS which the deluded consider real progress. If you want to get radical, that's just fine...but do something that works.

Yes, sometimes they send police or military after people who do that, and a few people get shot. That doesn't mean, however, that you give up, and go back to expressing impotent rage in front of riot police, the way the proverbial black bloc and some among Occupy do, simply because it's safer.
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posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 08:03 AM
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Kali has more to teach you it seems. Learn from the mistake she made by casting assumptions and the over reactions she had because of them.



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 10:05 AM
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The only problem is, that the Western world at least, is now almost exclusively in the posession of psychopaths

have you seen who is running the 7/11's and mom and pop stores lately



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 10:15 AM
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Human beings working for a living? How dare they!?
What's your point?



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by Kali74
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Human beings working for a living? How dare they!?
What's your point?


possession of western civilization



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 10:34 AM
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uh-huh...
I think we have a larger share of middle eastern civilization than any western dwelling person from the middle east has of ours.

Taking over the west one 7/11 at a time.


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posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by Kali74
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Taking over the west one 7/11 at a time.



Agreed; although they do have mosques. Some people are intimidated by them.



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 10:40 AM
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Which I find ridiculous and xenophobic.
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posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by Kali74
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Which I find ridiculous and xenophobic.
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I'm not sure, truthfully. I think some of the fear of Islam is silly, but then again, there have been the riots in France and various other things. I think some of the European countries are worried about being made extinct by Islamic immigrants from Africa and other places, and given the comparitive size of their populations, it could be a legitimate concern sometimes.

I know that is a standard Occupy (or at least Leftist) position, though; to basically think that Islam is fine, that there's nothing wrong with it, and that it is absolutely no threat to anyone. If people think otherwise, then they are usually considered bigoted or politically incorrect.



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by Kali74
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Which I find ridiculous and xenophobic.
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I'm not sure, truthfully. I think some of the fear of Islam is silly, but then again, there have been the riots in France and various other things. I think some of the European countries are worried about being made extinct by Islamic immigrants from Africa and other places, and given the comparitive size of their populations, it could be a legitimate concern sometimes.

I know that is a standard Occupy (or at least Leftist) position, though; to basically think that Islam is fine, that there's nothing wrong with it, and that it is absolutely no threat to anyone. If people think otherwise, then they are usually considered bigoted or politically incorrect.

are you a westerner? are you muslim? just asking



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 11:05 AM
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Wrong. It means I have to clarify the difference for people that see boogeymen every time they turn around.


So did you (or the "true occupy") group have to state that this "occupy4jobs" group, or the "99% Spring" movement is not part of the "true occupy" group or not?

Did everyone in the general public just automatically know that these two things aren't part of "occupy". Some people reading this thread now know it, some don't believe it, but for the general public...if they see "occupy" attached to anything, they are going to think it is connected or a branch of the original movement.



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 11:09 AM
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I think there is some legitimacy in fearing extremism but, extremism doesn't discriminate anymore than hatred does. And it doesn't only exist in one religion.



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 11:10 AM
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Just look at how laughable "Occupy London" was.

There ranks were full of full time protesters (In other words spongers...) and Far left Hand-wringing socialists.

Yet, at their peak they still only managed around 200-300 crusties. They were the laughing stock of London and achieved nothing but wasting months of their pathetic lives.

I used to walk past nearly every day and they were smackheads, wasters, hippies and generally scum.

Does that fit the description of your "Occupy" camps?



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 11:11 AM
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You mean like they do with the words democrat, republican, liberal and conservative? Same situation, everyone needs to listen to the words that follow a title or label.



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by rebellender
are you a westerner? are you muslim? just asking


I'd generally be considered a Westerner, but I dislike the term. It implies advocacy of a societal model which I do not condone, for the most part.



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by rebellender
are you a westerner? are you muslim? just asking


I'd generally be considered a Westerner, but I dislike the term. It implies advocacy of a societal model which I do not condone, for the most part.


oh dont stop there go ahead tell me what you really think. because I wont sugar coat anything.

all this "Why cant we just get along" crap is coming from people who have been raised by a society that thinks the world is a rainbow bright cartoon.

The USA is under attack from all sides and I will say that there is an element in this world that wants to slice the throat of USA and Israel.
Its not all rainbows around the world. Its cold steel and hot blood and that is the truth and every single american would rather be at home with the family watching a football game.
There is a serious element of brainwashing going on.



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by Kali74
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You mean like they do with the words democrat, republican, liberal and conservative? Same situation, everyone needs to listen to the words that follow a title or label.


Care to give an example?

I'm talking about things like "Tea Party Nation" and "Tea Party Express"...they have nothing to do with the original "Tea Party".

Just like this Occupy 4 Jobs and The 99% Spring...they don't have anything to do with "occupy" (according to you)...but I'm thinking they are going to be more visible, better funded, and better organized than the original "occupy". And even some that were part of the original "occupy" may prefer these organizations that will be doing more than just sitting in a park.

So if you can give me an example of an organization that uses the word "democrat" or "republican" that really aren't part of those groups and don't represent their views...please provide some.



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 11:40 AM
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Not exactly what I meant but you knew that. I was more thinking along the lines of how not all democrats are pro-choice or all republicans pro-life.



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