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Occupy Teams Up With Nation of Islam?

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posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 01:43 PM
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I came across this today and I'm trying to make sense of it. I've heard a lot about what Occupy supposedly stands for but this is a bit confusing.


The Boston chapter of the Occupy4Jobs Network held a spirited community/labor forum focusing on the struggle to stop post office closings and the fight for jobs. The Feb. 18 meeting was held in the Nation of Islam’s Muhammad’s Mosque #11 in Grove Hall in the heart of Boston’s African-American community and just one block away from the Grove Hall Post Office, now slated for closing.


Not a big deal, right? Now read this…


Keynote speaker Larry Holmes, national coordinator of the Occupy4Jobs Network and First Secretary of Workers World Party, stirred the crowd with his descriptions of the beginnings of the global revolution against capitalism. He said that it started in Tunisia and Egypt, is expanding in Greece, Spain, Italy, Britain and elsewhere in Europe, and has arrived in the U.S. with the Occupy movement.

Holmes stressed that capitalism has no solutions for youth worldwide other than to build more jails. He explained that Occupy4Jobs’ perspective is to unite the Occupy movement’s struggles with the fight for jobs by African Americans, Latinos/as and other oppressed workers, who will also provide leadership and guidance.

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So let me get this straight…These Occupy folks team up with Nation of Islam to rally against the closing of some US Post Office locations in a predominantly African American community and they spin right in to talk of a “global revolution against capitalism”? I thought Occupy wasn’t against capitalism but only against corporate greed? At least that’s what I’ve been hearing from OWS’ers from the start.

Example:

OWS: It's not anti-capitalism, it's anti-greed


So Occupy is now rallying minority groups against capitalism and in support of more FEDERAL jobs? What happened to the anger over the GREED in DC? Now they want MORE FED jobs?

Also, isn’t it strange that it’s the same Occupy Boston group that organized a rally against the Israeli consulate? Does occupy support Islam but reject Jews? I thought Occupy stood for all people?



What gives, OWS? Would someone like to explain this because there appear to be some inconsistencies here between the stated agenda of Occupy and the actions taking place?

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posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 01:51 PM
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Is this a joke? What unlikely bed partners...


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posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 01:56 PM
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Occupy has become nothing more than a front for Left wing fascists.

Whatever noble aspirations it has in the beginning have been subverted.
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posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 01:56 PM
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Is this a joke? What unlikely bed partners.


I wish it was but…NO, it appears to be true.

Why would Occupy rally against capitalism and advocate MORE government jobs? It appears to me this agenda would appeal more to Obama supporters, would it not?


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posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 02:04 PM
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Occupy has become nothing more than a front for Left wing fascists.

Whatever noble aspirations it has in the beginning have been subverted.


I agree and have pointed that out on numerous occasions.

It appears that Boston Occupy has a more radical agenda than other parts of the movement. This rallying of minorities against capitalism is disturbing to me. Even more disturbing is that they appear to be looking to the FED for salvation!! I thought Occupy was against the FED being in bed with corporations? Now the FED is the answer to all of our problems??

This seems a lot like more of the ‘class warfare’ we’ve seen from Obama and the far left.

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posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 02:15 PM
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This seems a lot like more of the ‘class warfare’ we’ve seen from Obama and the far left.


You are a smart guy. Actually, more than smart, you are intelligent, going from some of your past posts. So I can only assume your ignorance on this is not only false, but part of your continuing agenda.

Occupy4jobs. So anyone who throws occupy into a name is now part of a massive cohesive group? Come on pal, you and I both know exactly what's going on here. And it's been happening since the very first protest.

Co-opting.

See, ignoring them didn't work.
Trying to link them to various nefarious groups didn't work.

So now you'll see more and more crap like this as we get closer to spring. And maybe by accident, maybe by design, you nailed it with what I just quoted up there. These morons are doing this FOR Obama's agenda, it's pretty damn clear to me at least.

don't be fooled, just because this plays right into your hatred of all things occupy, doesn't mean this isn't merely a ploy to help get more people into your frame of mind.

Whatever the people in Boston are doing, has no impact or relation to the other protests, and you clearly know this as you've expressed it in your OP.

The nation of Islam is extremely racist and no good can come from partnering with them UNLESS the entire point is to discredit the rest of them ahead of the planned spring protests.

That's where my bet is being placed at least.

In fact:



He explained that Occupy4Jobs’ perspective is to unite the Occupy movement’s struggles with the fight for jobs by African Americans, Latinos/as and other oppressed workers, who will also provide leadership and guidance.


you actually quoted the part that clearly explains that occupy4jobs is an entirely separate entity that wants to unite occupy and a bunch of racists.


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posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 02:20 PM
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Are we seeing the true face of Occupy?

Did the mask slip?

Will I make all my posts questions tonight?



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 02:21 PM
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Dear seabag,

If you'd like an off-the-cuff opinion, I've got them to spare.

Last year's Occupy was to set up a framework, get name recognition, build a web of volunteers, assess their strength. There was no message, because they knew they were going to have one this year and they didn't want to be seen as changing their focus from last year to this.

As the fall went on they established connections with other groups, SEIU, Socialist Party, UAW, etc. They've announced that a new Occupy is coming out this year, and they're right. You've spotted the change, good for you. This is election year, and everything will be geared to that. Part of the idea is to make Socialism acceptable to more and more people and build hatred to anyone associated with business, or capitalism. That leaves Obama safe.

Just a thought, offered with gratitude for your work,

With respect,
Charles1952



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 02:32 PM
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You are a smart guy. Actually, more than smart, you are intelligent, going from some of your past posts. So I can only assume your ignorance on this is not only false, but part of your continuing agenda.

Occupy4jobs. So anyone who throws occupy into a name is now part of a massive cohesive group? Come on pal, you and I both know exactly what's going on here. And it's been happening since the very first protest.

Co-opting.


I knew you were greasing me up!


Based on the banner on their site I’d say they believe they are part of the Occupy movement. I admit that I haven’t researched them to examine the connections but this banner (if you scroll over) is unambiguous.



Occupy4Jobs


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posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 02:32 PM
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What gives, OWS? Would someone like to explain this because there appear to be some inconsistencies here between the stated agenda of Occupy and the actions taking place?

and connections to George Soros and Adbusters and Acorn
this world I dont know. I try to be heard. Yet I starve.
The problem is we underrate OWS as temporary. But we see what happens with other governments

added:::::
If you instigate a movement to play out early you are now in control of it because you have all of the possible solutions figured into the battle

This is exactly a Military Battle Tactic.
There are 2 choices in this instance for the Objective.

Fire on an approaching element early having already made out their avenues of escape and there plans of attack based on Key Terrain and Avenues of approach.

Option 2 Wait till you see the whites of there eyes. Our Government is struggling with the 2 party politics and Corruption and they know its only a matter of time before people organize a push for REAL CHANGE.
I give you Occupy and Anon. Both of these movements are launching early without big support from the will of the people. This allows TPTB to install measures to protect their Jobs and POWER
Thats what this really is.

Our Real Power of Change right now Has to be with our VOTE
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posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 02:37 PM
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Not only does Occupy4Jobs have nothing to do with Occupy, it has nothing to do with Occupy Boston...not that the majority here will believe it.



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 02:41 PM
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The American workers party is
NOTHING but a WOLF in cheap SHEEPS clothing.
Let me give you a clue.. That is really
the American SOCIALIST PARTY. All that is folks.

Now Occupy wall street IS teaming up with
the American socialist party, the American communist
party and now the Nation of Islam party?
NOT A SURPRISE TO ME!!

Of COURSE THESE OCCUPY GOONS ARE ANTI-AMERICAN
Their PRO socialist, communist, and Islamic terrorism.

I will tell you one thing,
NEVER WILL THEY TAKE MY COUNTRY!

Capitalism will reign supreme and I WILL DIE OVER IT..

So if they want a civil war WE WILL GIVE THEM A CIVIL WAR!

This occupy movement, nothing good will come of it..

People that are blindly following it, GET A GRIP you are being
played like PUPPETS, CUT THE STRING!
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posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by Kali74
Not only does Occupy4Jobs have nothing to do with Occupy, it has nothing to do with Occupy Boston...not that the majority here will believe it.


Well, you can't say it has 'nothing' to do with Occupy. According to Occupy4Jobs, they are a new front of the Occupy movement.


Occupy 4 JOBS is not a copycat of the Occupy Wall Street movement. However, Occupy 4 JOBS is unabashedly inspired by the welcome change in the political climate that the Occupy Wall Street movement has ushered in.

Frankly speaking, it would be irresponsible for those of us who have been trying to organize a mass struggle against depression level unemployment not to take advantage of the door that OWS has opened up, and launch new fronts in the struggle for economic and social justice at this amazing time; fronts that are deliberately fashioned to mobilize the communities that are not represented in the OWS movement.



They go on to say that it is vital for every member of Occupy4Jobs to also be part of the OWS movement.


It is vital that all of us be in the OWS movement and work to influence OWS to build bridges to those communities and movements whose presence is not felt in OWS yet.
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You can call it what you want but this concept was inspired by Occupy and the two are linked by their cause…no doubt.
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posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 02:55 PM
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Inspired by and partnered/joined up with are two completely different things. No one from Occupy4Jobs has ever made a presence known at a Occupy Boston GA.



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by seabag

Well, you can't say it has 'nothing' to do with Occupy. According to Occupy4Jobs, they are a new front of the Occupy movement


EITHER it is DENIAL,
Or they actually enjoy the idea
and play with the thought
in their head about America
being a socialist and communist
nation... Some are muslim sympathizers
they think America deserves* to be attacked
by them.. Really are dealing with dangerous scum here seabag
or willful ignorance. Which one you think? Maybe a bit of both.



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 03:00 PM
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Actually, no. Some of us just aren't racist nor believe that there's a boogeyman every time you turn around. Muslims are not some terrorist organization, they are people.



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by seabag

Well, you can't say it has 'nothing' to do with Occupy. According to Occupy4Jobs, they are a new front of the Occupy movement


EITHER it is DENIAL,
Or they actually enjoy the idea
and play with the thought
in their head about America
being a socialist and communist
nation... Some are muslim sympathizers
they think America deserves* to be attacked
by them.. Really are dealing with dangerous scum here seabag
or willful ignorance. Which one you think? Maybe a bit of both.

we know George Soros and Adbusters was behind OWS that has already been hashed out. But to bring in Islam? Thats low



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 03:04 PM
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Soros has nothing to do with Occupy, that has been proven. Read.



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by Kali74
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Actually, no. Some of us just aren't racist nor believe that there's a boogeyman every time you turn around. Muslims are not some terrorist organization, they are people.


when was the last time you lived in a muslim country? Not the buggie man? when was the last time a young woman was killed by her family right here in America
It happens all the time in the muslim countries. This is only one example....not the buggy man?



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 03:15 PM
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Right. Silly me. No woman has ever been murdered by her family in the USA.




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