If You're On Food Stamps, You Should Lose Voting Privileges?

The only part I agree with is the fact that anyone on any type of government aid, barring WIC, should IMO be drug tested. Someone please argue the fact with me that smoking, doing drugs is NOT an expensive habit. If you can afford to do those things, that money, in most cases, $130/month give or take (add way more for hard drugs) should be going to the necessities that you are receiving that aid for.

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Well considering that its usually voting between a turd sandwich and giant douche, I do not think they would be losing any more privileges then they have. In fact if they found a way to stop voting all together and get rid of it all they might actually gain more privileges back into there hands. As it stands right now most are just voting for which mascot to take away more of there dwindling and non existent privileges.

Unless there actually is such a thing as a good president, wonder what all them Ron Paul people would say. Ah time will tell, as it always told, it just so is that by some sort of "coincidence" it happens to tell the same old tale every couple of years.

Some interesting quotes by an author to ponder on, if its not already linked in this thread since I didn't read the whole thing.

“The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them. To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.” ― Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe

“When you blame others, you give up your power to change.” ― Douglas Adams

I think there was even something to the effect in "In the hitchhikers guide to the universe book" by one of the character's who is a president, that goes along the lines of.

"Presidents are just there to distract you from what really goes on behind the scenes"

Just another asshat trying to criminalize the poor.

Might as well go on a rampage about how women shouldn't have the right to vote anymore either.

Hi guys. Long time lurker signing on. I just had to chime in on the debate here. I'll just copy/paste my user comment from the site link, provided by the OP. My username there is Excalibur and my remark was made 19 minutes ago, sorted by newest comments first. I apologize in advance if there are any forum rules I've violated in this first post:-)



Hi there everyone!

I'm from Europe, Scandinavia. Denmark to be precise. I've read through a couple of pages concerning the remarks spawned by this article made by Mr. Brion McClanahan. I got a few points to make, if you will bear with me for a moment:-).

1. The idea, to not only label the products, set up special humiliation stores, but also to brand and stigmatize users of the federal food stamp programme sounds ALOT like Berlin, say 1933. Mr. Brion McClanahan's lack of human compassion is one thing, but that he actually sat down and systematized the concept is worthy of The Third Reich!!! This guy scares me. 2. I live in one of those countries, the far right wing of your country call "communist", "death.panel", carebear nations. Apart from the fact that none of the above is true. Norway, Denmark and Sweden in particular, but also The Netherlands for example have EXTENSIVE government programs paid through taxes. These include, but are not limited to, universal free healthcare, free university-got the skills, you get the education, a monthly allowance(welfare) that by law is fixed at a minimum of 9.000 danish kronor which is the equivalent to $ 1611.11 , some get more if they live in a leased house, have children etc. My point? Along time ago, around 50 years ago, we in Denmark decided that NO ONE gets left behind. While some may see this as a hindrance as to the free excercise of human enterprise, we see it as a way of taking care of each other. This mindset and cultural pillar in my particular society paid for my university education and I'm now a taxpayer. Do I whine about extremely high taxes to fund these programs? Yeah, I do, but I pay them gladly, because I know if I'm down on my luck my fellow citizen got my back. Live long and prosper from the European Union:-)

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Wow, Have you been to the housing area in my town or something? Most of them in there get food stamps, welfare, etc and almost also drive newer vehicles than I do. Quite a few are drug dealers and at least one makes $20 an hour, but he lives with his daughter who is on welfare also. Hmmmmm.........maybe try going to some of these areas and watch for a while, you might learn something new. Oh and BTW most of them have 4g Iphones and such, me I make do with the $35 straight talk phone.

Originally posted by illuminatislave
reply to post by DarthOej

 

I agree, but from my experience, the government has little interest in training and getting people back to work.

Btw....both the elite and the poor abuse the overall system in our society. People are hypocrites...condemning food stampers while at the same time worshipping tax cheats and bankers that commit fraud and felony theft.

You are right there. They don't want people to be empowered, and that's a shame. Someone else mentioned community service as a condition. Honest people who are down on their luck probably wouldn't mind that either.

Originally posted by templar33
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1. The idea, to not only label the products, set up special humiliation stores, but also to brand and stigmatize users of the federal food stamp programme sounds ALOT like Berlin, say 1933. Mr. Brion McClanahan's lack of human compassion is one thing, but that he actually sat down and systematized the concept is worthy of The Third Reich!!!

Thank you. We have a lot of neo nazis running around on this board, so realizing that they are sympathetic with ideals from Hitler's regime isn't a stretch.

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Exactly. At least they would feel like they are worth something and are contributing.

It is not easy for those who are unemployed and are used to working for their pay. When they cannot do so, they are stripped of something.

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OP, I have to agree with you.

I'm really sick and tired of stuff like what you posted being spread around as a "good idea."

I used an EBT card when I was unemployed once. It was the only form of help I could get at the time and I think it's an important resource for the less fortunate. If you've seen the food at some food shelves (as I have), you would see how outdated and poor quality it is. People deserve better than that.

Originally posted by LilDudeissocool

Originally posted by ImaMuslim
Why do you keep calling it democracy when it's actually demoncrazy? It's ruled by greed fools who know nothing of Democracy or the meaning of it. I bet that when you study politics you get taught more on how to fool people than how to help them.
It's sickening and pathetic that you call America a democracy.

America is a plutocracy

Correction. The term "America" refers to a legendary and mythical land which is rumored to have existed during The Old Republic era of the United States which was primarily known for it's strong economy and ability to finish the wars other countries started.

I believe the term you are looking for is "Amerikaanistan". This refers to the observable country which we see around us which starts and loses wars, is rampant with urban decay, and will soon have 30,000+ surveillance drones overhead.

I'm a stickler for the details.

Originally posted by Viking9019
Well they are the lowest of the low in society so i wouldn't care if they did lose their privileges.

If they had their privileges taken away years ago then Obama would of never of got into power since most of his supporters were ghetto trash.

your ignorance is breathtaking, voting is not a privilege. and "ghetto trash"??? what position do you hold in the GOP? director of compassion?

Well, let's see...I hate that my tax dollars are being used to fund illegitimate wars . You hate that your tax dollars go to help the poor, elderly, and disabled.

A much larger portion of my taxes goes to fund these wars. A piddly amount, in comparison, feeds the hungry.

C'est la vie...

Get over it.

Originally posted by templar33
Hi guys. Long time lurker signing on. I just had to chime in on the debate here. I'll just copy/paste my user comment from the site link, provided by the OP. My username there is Excalibur and my remark was made 19 minutes ago, sorted by newest comments first. I apologize in advance if there are any forum rules I've violated in this first post:-)



Hi there everyone!

I'm from Europe, Scandinavia. Denmark to be precise. I've read through a couple of pages concerning the remarks spawned by this article made by Mr. Brion McClanahan. I got a few points to make, if you will bear with me for a moment:-).

1. The idea, to not only label the products, set up special humiliation stores, but also to brand and stigmatize users of the federal food stamp programme sounds ALOT like Berlin, say 1933. Mr. Brion McClanahan's lack of human compassion is one thing, but that he actually sat down and systematized the concept is worthy of The Third Reich!!! This guy scares me. 2. I live in one of those countries, the far right wing of your country call "communist", "death.panel", carebear nations. Apart from the fact that none of the above is true. Norway, Denmark and Sweden in particular, but also The Netherlands for example have EXTENSIVE government programs paid through taxes. These include, but are not limited to, universal free healthcare, free university-got the skills, you get the education, a monthly allowance(welfare) that by law is fixed at a minimum of 9.000 danish kronor which is the equivalent to $ 1611.11 , some get more if they live in a leased house, have children etc. My point? Along time ago, around 50 years ago, we in Denmark decided that NO ONE gets left behind. While some may see this as a hindrance as to the free excercise of human enterprise, we see it as a way of taking care of each other. This mindset and cultural pillar in my particular society paid for my university education and I'm now a taxpayer. Do I whine about extremely high taxes to fund these programs? Yeah, I do, but I pay them gladly, because I know if I'm down on my luck my fellow citizen got my back. Live long and prosper from the European Union:-)

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The Scandinavians are the only countries in the world that have the right idea these days. Although...the Bolivarian Revolution in South America is gaining traction and looks very promising.

I would immigrate to Norway, Sweden, Finland, or Denmark in a second if they would take me. It's actually very hard for Americans to get residency or citizenship unless they are coming in with lots and lots of cash.

Not that I can blame anybody. Who would want a bunch of obnoxious Americans coming in and turning their country into commercialized, a-cultural, retirement community hellscape? It's sad though. Even Canada will take an African immigrant without batting an eye but it makes Americans jump through significantly more hoops unless you bring cash to the table.

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You might as well call for a fascist state while you're at it.




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That is exactly what I said!! I don't care what anybody says, there shouldn't be an argument over that. There should not be a reason why they shouldn't be drug tested. It would be a great way to weed out the people abusing the system. It would be a brilliant idea. You want to know why it won't happen? Because the people that would pass that law would also have to be drug tested, since they are also being payed by the government. It's one of those, "what's good for the pot, should be good for the kettle" situations. The kettle doesn't want to give up their drugs, so that is why it won't happen.

I have to say, from the perspective of eliminating abuse of food stamps, there are parts to this guy's idea which do make sense. The solution, however, is not to humiliate food stamp users. What exactly does humiliating them accomplish? "Oh, you're on food stamps? FEEL ASHAMED!"

There are people who actually are in need of food stamps, then there are people who spend recklessly and abuse food stamps. As for drugs and tobacco screenings, no thanks. Being dependent on government aid should not, and thankfully does not, translate into unnecessary screenings and abuses of privacy. There is a reason why drugs run rampant in poor neighborhoods; life is difficult/unpleasant, getting high provides an escape.

Unregulated, or in our case, poorly regulated, capitalism is not rational; it allows for abuse of power from the rich and literally robs the common people of their government. Look at what is happening to America now for proof of this. To push this point even further, countries no longer look to America for a successful governing model; they look to Canada. Perhaps this is because they understand that our empire is nearing collapse. Regardless, socialism is really not a bad thing; what exactly is so bad about having an egalitarian safety net, let alone providing basic needs such as food, safe water, healthcare, etc, for all people? A capitalism system with no safety net is not only a grossly double edged blade, but also allows for great abuse of power and allows for the development of monopolies and oligarchies in various institutions (i.e. Monsanto).

The ideal system would be a heavily taxed capitalist one which provides the poor with basic needs; a socialist capitalist parliamentary democracy, if you will. From a "veil of ignorance" standpoint does this not make sense? The motive to succeed must remain, hence capitalism need not be botched altogether. However, if we allow for taxes that range from 1% for the extremely poor to ~50% for the top 1%, we would be able to create an egalitarian society in which the standard of living is better for all people.

Honestly, one can sustain a decent standard of living off $100,000 a year; is it really asking too much for someone who makes, say, $1,000,000 annually to pay around $400,000 in taxes? Is $600,000 a year too little to enjoy a life of luxury?

No, these people do not need to be humiliated, though steps should be taken to prevent the abuse of the system by food stamp recipients. If a person cannot save money or spend wisely because of reckless habits like drugs, mindless materialism, and gambling, that's one thing; if, on the other hand, a person is unable to save money or spend wisely because of some kind of tragedy (i.e. medical emergency without insurance), I believe he or she does deserve some aid. Let's face it, s*** happens and as a society we should be there to help the unfortunate. There will always be those who exploit the system for personal benefit, and this should not go unchecked, but for the sake of making America a better place to live, we should be open to some socialist policies.

Originally posted by SteffieJo
reply to post by clayb2004

 

That is exactly what I said!! I don't care what anybody says, there shouldn't be an argument over that. There should not be a reason why they shouldn't be drug tested. It would be a great way to weed out the people abusing the system. It would be a brilliant idea. You want to know why it won't happen? Because the people that would pass that law would also have to be drug tested, since they are also being payed by the government. It's one of those, "what's good for the pot, should be good for the kettle" situations. The kettle doesn't want to give up their drugs, so that is why it won't happen.

I think it's more of a problem with our government having ties to the drug trade. The poor are exploited and robbed to the Nth degree in our nation; first you hook them on drugs, then you lock them up and fine them, meanwhile you create agreements with kingpins allowing for their drugs to be distributed within the states for a cut of the profit. When the poor are locked up, the privatized prison industry gets free labor, which is why prison is the new plantation. Why is it that a gross majority of inmates are minorities? Don't say it's because whites don't commit crimes, The treatment of the poor in this country is absolutely disgusting.

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Well they are the lowest of the low in society so i wouldn't care if they did lose their privileges. If they had their privileges taken away years ago then Obama would of never of got into power since most of his supporters were ghetto trash.

Wow, dude I almost expected you to drop the N-bomb.

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This first reply summons up the thread. Lets get our priorities straightened out.

whatever happens..we will be screwed.