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If You're On Food Stamps, You Should Lose Voting Privileges?

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posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 06:02 AM
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This is a core belief of Capitalists although they don't usuallly use food stamps as their measure of voting rights. That would mean that too many of the low-income earning general public still get a vote.

The general rule of thumb for the Capitalists is that you should be a Net Tax Producer to earn the right to vote. In other words, you need to be paying more tax than the value of Government services you consume. This is why nobody in the US should be suprised by the fact that your elections are rigged. The US is the home of Capitalism and so the people running the country do not see it as fraud. They honestly do not believe that the vast majority of citizens have earned the right to vote. They contribute the majority of the revenue that the Government will administer so they don't want elections decided on how much the politicians promise in hand-outs. They want elections decided on how much they plan to take from them in tax.

You only have to watch a republican nominee debate and listen to their sales pitch. They know who the king makers are which is why its a contest to see who can promise to spend the least and cut the most taxes (an idea that is beyond absurd for a country trillions of dollars in debt). It is also why the US is the only place in the world where you will see politicians that are running for President have to publish their personal tax returns to prove that they are part of the Net Tax Producer club. If you are not then you clearly will not cs and therefore understand the worthy will argue publish their tax returns to prove that they previous argue over the amount of tax they paid the year before running

I should also point out that this philosophy of voting rights is also shared Libertarians. Their ideal situation is to not have any Government at all but know that it is not something that can just be turned off so as long as there is a Government if you don't contribute financially you have no right to vote. Don't get me wrong, I like Ron Paul and I think the US needs him to win and claw back some individual freedoms but I know it won't happen. Even if he did I doubt it would last long because I think many of his supporters like what he is saying but don't really understand what some of his policies will mean for them in the short term.

Voting rights is just the tip of the iceberg - if you want to know what a capitalist really thinks of the '99%', here is what one wrote -

"Tax consumers should be seen as second class citizens, not worthy of voting, and not worthy of being shown more than the absolute minimum safe level of respect by tax producers. "


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posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 06:27 AM
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WOW Some of you people are real ding dongs. My buddy collects food stamps and he works. He has to support his brother that is still in school and his mother that has cancer. He makes $9000 a year. This winter he had no heat and no hot water. Every day he takes a shower and gets boarder line hypothermic because the water is 38*. Gas is a luxury he can afford. He graduated top of his class and can't go to school becasue he has people depending on him,

I'm on foodstamps because I'm on disability for paranoid schizophrenia. I get $10000 a year. When I was working I was making $16 an hour $50000 a year until my illness made it impossible for me to work. I'm thrilled to live in the richest country on the planet as a second class citizen.

UP YOURS
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posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 06:41 AM
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I'm sure there are people who need food stamps who are on them, but there are also an equal amount of people abusing this system.

I know three single males (1 works for me) who are on food stamps, but are earning $70k/year. I told the one who works for me he is going to jail by working, making an excellent living and frauding the government. I honestly thought by our completing quarterly reports, he would be arrested within months....that was one year ago.

His roommate has never worked, sleeps all day and they both "party" every night. I can't believe it! Then, they got another roommate who is also working f/t, and convinced him to get food stamps (which he did). I would call them in myself, but I'm sure it would turn on me somehow and I can't afford to lose the guy who works for me as he is one of our best "sales" people.

I've met very few people on food stamps who need them, again, not saying they don't exist, but there has to be better controls as the "working people" can't continue to fund it the way it's working now.



posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 07:00 AM
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Originally posted by ideasarebulletproof

Originally posted by DCPatriot
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Only property owners should be eligible to vote. Period.

To have people who receive entitlement checks from the government is ridiculous.

That's why Obama has gone to the mattresses with his Class War...because he created more welfare recipients who will naturally vote for the party that promises all the 'free' stuff.

....which is NEVER 'free'. It comes at the expense of another taxpayer.


Um... Do you realize how many millions of people in this country live in apartments? They are technically not property owners. Do you know how ridiculous you sound?


Not ridiculous at all. It used to be such. You can look it up.

www.infoplease.com...



posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 07:03 AM
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That article's author is getting laced in the comments below the article. He's really hated by most of the people who read that piece. I hope that more idiots like him get a shot at spewing their garbage and that more voters get a chance to be offended by running across it online. Back when Reagan trotted out the "Welfare Queen", there wasn't an economic catastrophe that most people were struggling to avoid or climb out of, and there wasn't an Internet to alert people to the fact of just how many trillions of US Treasury dollars have gone to the banksters in recent years to save them from their greed and irresponsibility, and with no strings attached. It worked for Reagan, but this time it's a death trap for the GOP and their corporate bosses.

I'm enjoying the show as the American Conservative Movement keeps on barreling toward the point of no survival with the speakers cranked and the headlights flashing. I've never seen such a suicide run in my life, and it's kind of surprising that so many conservative pundits agree with how I'm seeing this. They're usually much more optimistic than they should be, but I guess that this time around it's way too obvious that the GOP is going off the rails. It really is an amazing thing to watch.



posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 07:08 AM
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Originally posted by DCPatriot

Originally posted by ideasarebulletproof

Originally posted by DCPatriot
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Only property owners should be eligible to vote. Period.

To have people who receive entitlement checks from the government is ridiculous.

That's why Obama has gone to the mattresses with his Class War...because he created more welfare recipients who will naturally vote for the party that promises all the 'free' stuff.

....which is NEVER 'free'. It comes at the expense of another taxpayer.


Um... Do you realize how many millions of people in this country live in apartments? They are technically not property owners. Do you know how ridiculous you sound?


Not ridiculous at all. It used to be such. You can look it up.

www.infoplease.com...


It used to be that black folks were slaves too. You want that? If you do, then the US isn't the right fit for you. There are other countries where that sort of thing is how things are done. They're called "banana republics" and who knows, maybe you'd thrive there. We're not a banana republic and we won't ever be a banana republic. That means that you'll never get your wish if you stay here. But, you are allowed to leave. Maybe you'd be happier living there than in our nation?



posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 07:13 AM
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Exactly which drugs would you be screening for while you violate my right against unreasonable search and seizure?



posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 07:16 AM
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Originally posted by curiouswa
I'm sure there are people who need food stamps who are on them, but there are also an equal amount of people abusing this system.

I know three single males (1 works for me) who are on food stamps, but are earning $70k/year. I told the one who works for me he is going to jail by working, making an excellent living and frauding the government. I honestly thought by our completing quarterly reports, he would be arrested within months....that was one year ago.

His roommate has never worked, sleeps all day and they both "party" every night. I can't believe it! Then, they got another roommate who is also working f/t, and convinced him to get food stamps (which he did). I would call them in myself, but I'm sure it would turn on me somehow and I can't afford to lose the guy who works for me as he is one of our best "sales" people.

I've met very few people on food stamps who need them, again, not saying they don't exist, but there has to be better controls as the "working people" can't continue to fund it the way it's working now.


Hell. I could make up a better story that this one. My story would have a black woman with a fur coat, and diamond rings all over her fingers, and she'd be buying all kinds of booze and cigarettes and have tons of drug money falling out of her purse as she hunts for the food stamps to pay for the twinkies and cereal for her screaming brat kids that are wearing designer clothes. She'd have a brand new 4G iphone that keeps ringing on her, and then, when she walks outside she gets into a big black Escalade and drives off.

Your story just isn't nailing all the necessary buttons. You just aren't producing with this vignette.



posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 07:18 AM
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As a Brit looking at comments in thread it appears the US has some serious social problems.

I've never seen so many self-righteous people in one place! Anyone with a modicum of sense is branded a liberal or socialist....

And before you start branding me - I am a conservative voter myself. Over here that doesn't mean intellectually deficient religious nut-job though.



posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 07:26 AM
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Originally posted by NorEaster

Originally posted by curiouswa
I'm sure there are people who need food stamps who are on them, but there are also an equal amount of people abusing this system.

I know three single males (1 works for me) who are on food stamps, but are earning $70k/year. I told the one who works for me he is going to jail by working, making an excellent living and frauding the government. I honestly thought by our completing quarterly reports, he would be arrested within months....that was one year ago.

His roommate has never worked, sleeps all day and they both "party" every night. I can't believe it! Then, they got another roommate who is also working f/t, and convinced him to get food stamps (which he did). I would call them in myself, but I'm sure it would turn on me somehow and I can't afford to lose the guy who works for me as he is one of our best "sales" people.

Who are you? Did we strike a nerve? Are you also frauding the people by collecting food stamps unlawfully? Why the heck would I make this up? I don't need to prove anything to you. Normally, replies like this are from pimple faced 18 year olds living in their mothers basement on the computer all day. Your responses will be ignored.

I've met very few people on food stamps who need them, again, not saying they don't exist, but there has to be better controls as the "working people" can't continue to fund it the way it's working now.


Hell. I could make up a better story that this one. My story would have a black woman with a fur coat, and diamond rings all over her fingers, and she'd be buying all kinds of booze and cigarettes and have tons of drug money falling out of her purse as she hunts for the food stamps to pay for the twinkies and cereal for her screaming brat kids that are wearing designer clothes. She'd have a brand new 4G iphone that keeps ringing on her, and then, when she walks outside she gets into a big black Escalade and drives off.

Your story just isn't nailing all the necessary buttons. You just aren't producing with this vignette.



posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 07:30 AM
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Originally posted by ideasarebulletproof
dailycaller.com...

Just read this ridiculous article.
So according to this guy, people on food stamps should:
1. Lose voting privileges so "they couldn’t vote for greater benefits or easier terms (most of them don’t vote, but now they couldn’t)."

2. Be forced to shop at "Government Stores" so they feel the humiliation of being "wards of the state".
Oh and the "Government food products" would be easily recognizable, to further humiliation for people on food stamps.

3. Be subject to monthly tobacco and drug screening, and if found with tobacco or drugs in their system, be dropped from the program.

I really hope this is a joke, but I'm guessing it isn't. The sad thing is, a lot of people on this site will probably agree with this reprehensible person.




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Yeah this guy is a complete joke. Hilarious that he used to word unconstitutional, and then refers to voting as a privilege. Typical "constitution only when it suits my views" nut job. He even says that the government foods wouldn't have to live up to the same standards of quality. I'm pretty embarrassed that a sociopath like this breathes the same air as I do.

I guess I can agree with him on the issue of drug screenings, and people using cash assistance to buy drugs, alcohol, and tobacco. That's disgusting, but there are also many people who have a legitimate need for the assistance.


Many people who suckle on the taxpayer teat, as some posters elegantly put it, are not there by choice. People who did everything right, got good jobs, and could afford to have a house and family. Many were put in that position because of the greed and shortsightedness of others, who got trillions from the taxpayers when they ran the economy into the ground and were facing financial ruin. Where is this dick head's outrage about that? He is towing the party line.

I received food assistance at one point in my life. Going in to a store and having to hand the clerk that card in front of all those people was humiliating enough for me, and it is for a lot of the people today. I am certainly grateful that it was there though, and I have no issue with the taxes I pay going to help someone else in need.



posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 07:36 AM
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If you want to fix the system, find a way to get rid of all the people who leech and abuse it. Make job training a mandatory condition for people of able body and mind who are receiving the aid. I doubt that many people still on it would hate that.



posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 07:39 AM
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The argument of stripping people of their right to vote because of a conflict of interest is asinine. By that logic anyone affiliated with local, state, or the federal government shouldn't be allowed to vote. Military, civil service, whatever. Hell, by that logic no citizen should have the right to vote because we all have something to gain by getting the right person elected.



posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 07:39 AM
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Originally posted by EasyPleaseMe
As a Brit looking at comments in thread it appears the US has some serious social problems.

I've never seen so many self-righteous people in one place! Anyone with a modicum of sense is branded a liberal or socialist...


This is because we have the problems of a)severe lack of intelligence and b) the outright deification of the upper class and money by the fringe right wing, the same pack of loons that pollute ats with absolute inhumane and inane garbage.

When you have nutcases spouting off that property owners should be the only ones allowed to vote during one of the worst economic periods in the history of the US, where upward mobility has been all but #ed, you realize that america is in bad shape.

The same ones griping about the poor will be the same ones bitching when the government cuts them off of their military veteran benefits to further stuff the pockets of the elite that they serve and worship.



posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 07:42 AM
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So I only read about 7 pages but I feel I should give some insight for some of the posters. I'll use real life as my sources and go ahead and since this topic does affect me, I'll state my opinions on the topic up front. Get food stamps? Drug testing (would effect me personally) and government stores are fine with me. Everyone should be allowed to vote (yes, convicted felons)

The real problem of food stamps is a combination of the people on it and the enslavement government programs cause. My example....

I work full time for more than minimum wage. Each month I get about 100 in food stamps. Yesterday was the last day the business I work at was open. Despite having worked consistantly for more than 10 years, today I find myself unemployed.

My husband fell from a tree and broke his back at 13. He has been paralyzed from the waist down since. Each month, he receives $450 from the government. We live in a very small town. If we were to move to a bigger city, finding work for him would be much easier. We chose our location because we thought this would be best for our children and as a consequence, a job is almost non existant here.

Here's the kicker.... After I make $XX a month, .50 of every dollar I earn is taken from his check. So, in essence, after my first 60 hours or so each month, I begin working for half of my pay. While my entire pay is still there, the household income has decreased, which, in reality, is all that matters. In turn, this is harmful to my desire to want to work more to earn more money. Who wants to work 40 hours and get paid for 20?

If I get lucky and receive a bonus check one month, or not take my vacation time and get it in the form of a check at the end of the year, I am risking losing my husbands income. The real joke is that SSI/Disablily does not work on a "real time" basis. If I make too much this month, we are penalized 2 full months later. My bonus check in January means no check in March.

Here's the other catch! If my husband loses his SSI eligibility, he is also no longer eligible for medicaid which pays for dr. visits, meds and wheelchairs. Dr. visits and meds, we can handle. Needed medical supplies are expensive but I can work that out. Wheelchairs, we can not. These run from 4-8k every 2-4 years. And when it's time for a new one, it's time for a new one.

There have been instances where I have had to refuse promotions because we would lose more money than my pay would increase by, as well as the increased costs for medical bills we would now be responsible for. The system is a trap! It is VERY hard to get out from under. And for the record, I grew up in a middle class family, graduated high school, and have some college.

And more again on topic with foodstamps. I get about 100 a month. I work(ed) at a mom and pop grocery store until yesterday. About half of the customers were food stamps. This is a discount grocery store and I am happy to see people being responsible and trying to make what they get last. While on the other hand, 1 family in particular stands out....

This mother works as a CNA at a local nursing home. The starting pay here is fair. Her husband works 14&14 on an oil rig. For those who don't know, even starting positions are highly prized and the pay is generally more than enough to comfortablly support a family of 4-6 with money left over, without a 2nd worker in the home. When the husband is in he comes in 4 times a week to buy food for a cookout. Pounds and pounds of shrimp, ribs, and steaks and all the fixins. Daily he comes in and loads up on junkfood.... ie chips, popcorn, sodas, candy. This family has 3 children. I see their food stamp balance every month. More than $800 a month!!!

How they do it.... She claims to not work with 3 kids at home and no one gives her money (even though her bills are paid. Bills are given to your caseworker who sees if you are or are not delinquent, as well as your bank statement). Regardless of the amount of deposits shown on your bank statement, income is based on check stubs you chose or don't chose to turn in. She claims her husband moved out and offers no support. She is now a single, unemployeed mother of 3 with a deadbeat dad as an ex husband. The system allows this! Foodstamp offices do not check your taxes records, unlike SSI.

For those of you who want someone to pay back or need someone to be "ghetto trash". Please, direct your comments to people like this and the system that not only allows but encourages this and leave my family alone.

(While I pay no income taxes, I do pay 15% of my income to SSI/Medi like the rest of you. Do I deserve to eat if I can't afford it?)

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posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 07:44 AM
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I agree, but from my experience, the government has little interest in training and getting people back to work.

Btw....both the elite and the poor abuse the overall system in our society. People are hypocrites...condemning food stampers while at the same time worshipping tax cheats and bankers that commit fraud and felony theft.



posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 07:44 AM
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If You're On Food Stamps, You Should Lose Voting Privileges?


No. But you should have to submit to drug testing and common sense monitoring. If you're on Food stamps & driving a nicer car than the rest of us, your car should be confiscated and sold off to pay for your food stamp thievery.



posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 07:46 AM
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There is no need to explain yourself to a bunch of reprobates and scum. They could not walk a day in your shoes



posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 07:52 AM
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Thank you. I would agree


I am not trying to explain myself though. I am trying to explain the system. People who have never been trapped have a hard time understanding what it entails. Unfortunately, I can tell them all day long and until they have been trapped themselves, many can not understand.



posted on Mar, 1 2012 @ 07:56 AM
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Originally posted by PrimePorkchop
If you're on Food stamps & driving a nicer car than the rest of us, your car should be confiscated and sold off to pay for your food stamp thievery.


Imagine if that person was employed 3 years ago and still owns that nice car he bought before he got canned, even though now he's scraping by with a Walmart job until times get better and he can get back into his previous line of better paying work. You'd still have the govt goon squad steal his car (it's already paid for, by the way) and sell it so that you'd feel better about the bad times that he is dealing with at the moment?

You didn't really think through what you posted...did you. Admit it. You just vented and now you feel like an idiot for suggesting that some poor bastard who got laid off and who's struggling to get back on his feet again should have his car stolen and sold by government storm troopers because he can't make enough money to feed and shelter is family at the moment. Go ahead, admit it. You'll feel better.



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