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With respect but none of us can know whether paddling would have stopped this from happening. If you are talking generally about children misbehaving its a different point. But misbehaving is one thing, grabbing guns and killing kids - well that suggests some very serious issues.
My presumption here is that the parental figures in the lives of the culprit did not communicate with their children / grandchildren (if reports that parents were absent for whatever reason were true).
My emphasis is not upon paddling or to focus upon the cowardice of the culprits, it is upon the failure of parent figures to engage with the child.
Personally speaking paddling and punishments of this kind should be used only as a last resort and quite often the threat (provided said parents have generated respect and a bit of fear from their children) will be as effective in getting kids to behave themselves.
I disagree that paddling equals concern for the child. Paddling can be adminstered through concern and it can be administed by those with no concern for said child. People can be cruel as we all know.
But where we part company is your implication that all other parents have the same noble motivations. This kid is a murderer, why can't we agree on a fact that he was failed by his family, rather than focusing on one aspect of parenting?
Vehicle IS car, parenting IS beating??? Or did I misunderstand?
Originally posted by freethinker123
Ok so what I'm getting here is that the youth of today are a bunch of cowards. unlike us who are older and much better.
Problem with that theory is that the kids of today are being raised by the older generation in the first place!
I understand your point but you are just dismissing the explosion in population for the increase in frequency.
I'd say that movies and games are the reason for the shoot-em up style seen in today's shootings.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
Population density doesn't seem to have a lot to do with the problem; if it did, I would expect a more drastic rise in shootings in congested areas and less shootings in rural or suburban areas. That is not happening.
Ummm... you do realize we had violence in the media back in my day too, right? It wasn't Andy and Opie 24/7.
I realize you are dead-set against corporal punishment; chances are you may have had some bad experiences with it in the past, and you may even equate it with abuse.
The final authority and the final responsibility rests with those at ground zero: the parents, the teachers, and the mentors. And they are not doing their job.
Originally posted by Pigraphia
I've said it at least once and so has TheRedneck.
The population levels don't show the direct affect on school shootings.
As far as violence increasing in cities over rural areas that is a product of socioeconomic factors.
While they play a role in the school shootings they are only part of the cause.
Population density has far more affect on general crime in cities than it does on school shootings.
Originally posted by Kali74The level of bullying now goes beyond school, it infects every aspect of the childs life.