Iran's Grand Ayatollahs - 'Earth Belongs to Muslims and the End is Near

Originally posted by disiswhoitb
This shi# is getting so old. Everyday there is some new bullshi# headline trying to give us another reason to attack Iran. I'm freaking sick of it already. To the stupid moron's that believe this, you belong in an insane asylum.

.... blah blah blah after that.
Seriously .. you should wake up. This thread is exposing exactly what the religious leadership (who have great political power) have been saying in Iran. They are PROUD of what they have said. It isn't propaganda to discuss what they said .. it's just fact. It isn't hate speech to discuss what they said .. it's just fact. We aren't he bad guys for discussing the FACT that the Ayatollahs actually said these things. You threw a lot of insults at the people who understand this. Your apologetics for these Ayatollahs makes you look uninformed.

Originally posted by disiswhoitb
So the best thing to do is, leave them alone.

It would be very ignorant to not be aware of what is going on in the world. And when people with political and religious power in a nation say things like 'The earth belongs to Muslims and the end is near", then we need to pay attention for our own good.

The Persian people have been around for thousands of years for a reason..

Islam has been around for hundreds of years for a reason ... look at the bloody history of it.
That's reason enough to be cautious and to keep informed on what their religious leadership is doing.

reply to post by IsraeliGuy


argument:

Originally posted by IsraeliGuy
Obviously it's not informative if people chose to flag it but didn't even bother to post their input.

possible answer:

Originally posted by forklift

A perfect example would be a thread i created where i shut them up for good:

*runs off* *hides*

reply to post by FlyersFan


A While ago you posted that how there are no christian leaders in power in the world .

Look no further than america , "so help me god " , "God bless america " are two of the statements used when being sworn into the office of the white house upon inauguration.

Also marines swear their alligiance to god dont they ?

the american dollar bill , in god we trust !

All the while american offers religious freedoms to all , yet goes around the world killing people in gods name
whilst america isnt claiming its christianity outright , they sure do make a whole bunch of references to the big man , and in all the places where it matters, politics/ military

Originally posted by sapien82
A While ago you posted that how there are no christian leaders in power in the world .

Excuse me?? When would I have said that? You'll have to repost here with a link to me saying that. I highly doubt I said something like that at all. There definately ARE Christian leaders in the world. (For instance - the Pope is the leader of the country of the Vatican). Thankfully, here in America, when a Christian is in office he/she has to follow secular rule of law and we also have a balance of power ... executive, legislative, judicial. That is something that Iran does not have. The Muslim religion permeates all through their government and laws.

Originally posted by sapien82
All the while american offers religious freedoms to all , yet goes around the world killing people in gods name

Where and how EXACTLY is America going out and 'killing in God's name'??
Considering the citizens and troops in this country are of every religion .. including non-religion.
Considering our laws are secular and not belonging to a religion ... etc etc

Originally posted by saveliberty2012really
Earth belongs to no single group but instead belongs to all. It has harbored our species in the ocean of space if it were not for earth we would not exist. Why fight over the ownership of earth instead fight for unification on common problems and solving them. Fighting solves nothing.

See, that's all they're doing! They just happen to believe that "unification" has to be under Islam. Others believe it has to be under democracy, and others under socialism, and yet others under any number of other system. They key is they all think it needs to be unified... as long as that unification is on THEIR terms.

Personally, I don't think unification is the answer at all, since there is no way to unify without satisfying only a minority of people and leaving the majority mighty pissed off.

Originally posted by disiswhoitb
This shi# is getting so old. Everyday there is some new bullshi# headline trying to give us another reason to attack Iran. I'm freaking sick of it already. To the stupid moron's that believe this, you belong in an insane asylum. Same mullah's for 33 years, but Today, right now, when Israel and the Zionist whores in the US, France and Great Britain want to destroy and kill millions of Iranians, the mullah's go and say this??????? What a joke!

Where were YOU for those 33 years? This is neither the first time nor even really the most serious instance. Just because you've only recently come to hear it doesn't mean it's never been said.

The rest of the post was just sewage spewage, beneath reply.

Originally posted by sHuRuLuNi

What do you mean "everyone else dies"...? I am not praying for that, nor is that the promise of God. His promise is that Islam will prevail over all religions - as in: It will be the Number 1 religion in the world. No one said anything about dying.

If you believe your god said that your religion will be number one in the world - and I have no reason to think you don't believe that, since it IS what Mohammed said - why have muslims been fighting to spread it for 1433 years? Can their god not keep his word without their bloodshed? Are muslims then more powerful than their god, since they can do, they can accomplish, where their god fails?

If that is the case, why are they worshiping and entity weaker than themselves? And if it's NOT the case, why are they going along killing folks in the name of that entity?

Originally posted by IsraeliGuy

Originally posted by forklift
So use the same logic and beat them at their own game. A perfect example would be a thread i created where i shut them up for good:

Special relationship between US/Zionists and Saudi

Umm..... in case you haven't noticed, your thread is compiled of three, yes only 3 posts. Two of them are yours, the other one is a question which you failed to answer.

Please use a better 'perfect example' next time.

edit on 28-2-2012 by IsraeliGuy because: (no reason given)

Maybe you should read the first line of the thread i created:

This is a topic which I would like to shed some light on as I have realized many members of ATS lack knowledge in this area especially understanding of the different variations in Islam

The idea was not to get a million flags and stars with 500 pages worth of bullcrap. It's an informative thread for anyone that wishes to refer to the Zionist hypocrisy in Middle East.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Whose used Nukes on civilian population before? Answer: US

Whose got illegal stockpile of Nukes? Answer: Israel

Is Israel a threat to Iran just as much as Iran is to Israel? Answer: Yes 100%


Sooo does Iran deserve to get invaded and bombed with millions dead because of what Ayatollah has 'said' whose country has faced sanctions and threats since Khomeini came into power?

Iran has a next door neighbor called Pakistan which has a huge stockpile of nukes, Pakistani intelligence ISI has apparently hid and funded Osama in Pakistan, it funds and supports various extremist jihadist organizations across Asia from Kashmir to Chechnya. It trained and armed mujaheddin defeating Soviets.


Am i missing something here?

reply to post by Jimjolnir


More propaganda! Iran hasn't attacked another country in over 200 years.

The United States............El Salvador (1980), Libya (1981), Sinai (1982), Lebanon (1982 1983), Egypt (1983), Grenada (1983), Honduras (1983), Chad (1983), Persian Gulf (1984), Libya (1986) , Bolivia (1986), Iran (1987), Persian Gulf (1987), Kuwait (1987), Iran (1988), Honduras (1988), Panama (1988), Libya (1989), Panama (1989), Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru (1989), Philippines (1989), Panama (1989-1990), Liberia (1990), Saudi Arabia (1990), Iraq (1991), Zaire (1991), Sierra Leone (1992), Somalia (1992), Bosnia-Herzegovina (1993 to present), Macedonia (1993), Haiti (1994), Macedonia (1994), Bosnia (1995), Liberia (1996), Central African Republic (1996), Albania (1997), Congo/Gabon (1997), Sierra Leon (1997), Cambodia (1997), Iraq (1998), Guinea/Bissau (1998), Kenya/Tanzania (1998 to 1999), Afghanistan/Sudan (1998), Liberia (1998), East Timor (1999), Serbia (1999), Sierra Leon (2000), Yemen (2000), East Timor (2000), Afghanistan (2001 to present), Yemen (2002), Philippines (2002) , Cote d'Ivoire (2002), Iraq (2003 to present), Liberia (2003), Georgia/Djibouti (2003), Haiti (2004), Georgia/Djibouti/Kenya/Ethiopia/Yemen/Eritrea War on Terror (2004), Pakistan drone attacks (2004 to present), Somalia (2007), South Ossetia/Georgia (2008), Syria (2008), Yemen (2009), Haiti (2010), etc. etc. etc. etc.

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by disiswhoitb
This shi# is getting so old. Everyday there is some new bullshi# headline trying to give us another reason to attack Iran. I'm freaking sick of it already. To the stupid moron's that believe this, you belong in an insane asylum. Same mullah's for 33 years, but Today, right now, when Israel and the Zionist whores in the US, France and Great Britain want to destroy and kill millions of Iranians, the mullah's go and say this??????? What a joke!

Where were YOU for those 33 years? This is neither the first time nor even really the most serious instance. Just because you've only recently come to hear it doesn't mean it's never been said.

The rest of the post was just sewage spewage, beneath reply.

Spoken like a true imbecile. Clearly you're another Israeli firster. Try reading this.
1. Last Spring, Rose Gottemoeller, an assistant secretary of state and Washington's chief nuclear arms negotiator, asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Israel refused.

2. The United Nations passed a resolution calling on Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.

3. The IAEA asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.

4. Iran's formal notification to the IAEA of the planned construction of the backup fuel-rod facility underscores that Iran is playing by the rules of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which Iran has signed.

5. Iran allows IAEA inspections of all its facilities.

6. Contrary to face-saving claims, it appears that the US and Israel were both caught off guard by Iran's announcement of a planned underground (to avoid being bombed) enrichment facility. The reasoning is simple. Had the US or Israel announced the existence of he new facility before Iran's notified the IAEA, it would have put Iran on the defensive. As it is now, the US and Israel seem to be playing catch up, casting doubt on the veracity of Israel's claims to "know" that Iran is a nuclear threat.

7. The IAEA and all 16 United States Intelligence Agencies are unanimous in agreement that Iran is not building and does not possess nuclear weapons.

8. In 1986, Mordachai Vanunu blew the whistle and provided photographs showing Israel's clandestine nuclear weapons factory underneath the reactor at Dimona.

9. Israel made the same accusations against Iraq that it is making against Iran, leading up to Israel's bombing of the power station at Osirik. Following the invasion of 2003, international experts examined the ruins of the power station at Osirik and found no evidence of a clandestine weapons factory in the rubble.

10. The United Nations has just released the Goldstone Report, a scathing report which accuses Israel of 37 specific war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza earlier this year. Israel has denounced the report as "Anti-Semitic (even though Judge Goldstone is himself Jewish), and the United States will block the report from being referred to the War Crimes Tribunal at the Hague, thereby making the US Government an accessory after-the-fact.

11. Recently revealed documents prove not only that Israel has nuclear weapos, but actually tried to sell some to Apartheid South Africa. Who else Israel approached to sell nuclear weapons remains an unasked question.

12. In 1965, Israel stole over 200-600 pounds of weapons-grade uranium from the United States.

13. Declassified documents from the former South African regime prove not only that Israel has had nuclear weapons for decades, but has tried to sell them to other countries!

14. In 1991 Israel had a plan to assasinate George H. Bush at the Madrid peace conference. poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com...

15. U.S.S. Liberty bombing

16. USS Cole

17. In October 18, 1983 a Jewish terrorist threatened to blow up the House of Representatives.

Originally posted by Jimjolnir
when one religion tries to rule the world, or believes it is their place to do so, that is when the rest of us rise up and say NO! Mu'Fu####!! and if we just sit back, then what do our actions say about us? If a religion wants to dictate to the rest of the world then I don't even want them on the back of the bus, if they would learn respect, we could teach them, if not, they'd be better off at the bottom of the ocean, or on their own planet where their biggotry can mold and snuff themselves out.

Maybe you should read the Old Testament or the Talmud.

Originally posted by forklift

Whose got illegal stockpile of Nukes? Answer: Israel

Israel doesn't have any illegal nukes. Not a single one, much less a stockpile of them.

Do they have nukes? Maybe. Do they have illegal nukes? No, not a single one.

Originally posted by disiswhoitb
reply to post by Jimjolnir

 

More propaganda! Iran hasn't attacked another country in over 200 years.

The United States...........

El Salvador (1980),

the US did not attack El Salvador. The FMLN and allied guerrilla groups did.

Libya (1981),

I presume you are referring to the Gulf of Sidra War Games, in which we shot down a couple of Libyan jet jockeys that were firing upon us.

Sinai (1982),

What did we attack in the Sinai in 1982?

Lebanon (1982 1983),

What did we attack in Lebanon in 1982 or 1983?

Egypt (1983),

What did we attack in Egypt on 1983?

Grenada (1983),

Oops, ya got me. Are you familiar with the history of that wee dustup? I am.

Honduras (1983),

What did we attack in Honduras in 1983? I know your not referring to the road we built as an "attack", right?

Chad (1983), Persian Gulf (1984), Libya (1986) , Bolivia (1986), Iran (1987), Persian Gulf (1987), Kuwait (1987), Iran (1988), Honduras (1988), Panama (1988), Libya (1989), Panama (1989), Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru (1989), Philippines (1989), Panama (1989-1990), Liberia (1990), Saudi Arabia (1990), Iraq (1991), Zaire (1991), Sierra Leone (1992), Somalia (1992), Bosnia-Herzegovina (1993 to present), Macedonia (1993), Haiti (1994), Macedonia (1994), Bosnia (1995), Liberia (1996), Central African Republic (1996), Albania (1997), Congo/Gabon (1997), Sierra Leon (1997), Cambodia (1997), Iraq (1998), Guinea/Bissau (1998), Kenya/Tanzania (1998 to 1999), Afghanistan/Sudan (1998), Liberia (1998), East Timor (1999), Serbia (1999), Sierra Leon (2000), Yemen (2000), East Timor (2000), Afghanistan (2001 to present), Yemen (2002), Philippines (2002) , Cote d'Ivoire (2002), Iraq (2003 to present), Liberia (2003), Georgia/Djibouti (2003), Haiti (2004), Georgia/Djibouti/Kenya/Ethiopia/Yemen/Eritrea War on Terror (2004), Pakistan drone attacks (2004 to present), Somalia (2007), South Ossetia/Georgia (2008), Syria (2008), Yemen (2009), Haiti (2010), etc. etc. etc. etc.

The rest of your list is just as above - I just don't have the energy to type "what did we attack in...?" over and over again, with the occasional "Oops, ya got me, but why are you hiding the fact that...".

Wonder what these Iranian apologists are going to say when a city in Israel gets nuked.

Originally posted by MidnightTide
Wonder what these Iranian apologists are going to say when a city in Israel gets nuked.

they will say that Israel deserved it, because that is all they know. The OP states concrete facts, like it or not, he states concrete facts.

Originally posted by disiswhoitb

Originally posted by nenothtu

Where were YOU for those 33 years? This is neither the first time nor even really the most serious instance. Just because you've only recently come to hear it doesn't mean it's never been said.

The rest of the post was just sewage spewage, beneath reply.

Spoken like a true imbecile. Clearly you're another Israeli firster.

You can call me anything you want - that will never change reality, just because you can fling names.

Try reading this.
1. Last Spring, Rose Gottemoeller, an assistant secretary of state and Washington's chief nuclear arms negotiator, asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Israel refused.

And...? I'm sure you have some sort of point. What is it?

2. The United Nations passed a resolution calling on Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.

And...? I'm sure you have some sort of point. What is it?

3. The IAEA asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.

And...? I'm sure you have some sort of point. What is it?

I'm asking you, right here, right now, to sign your house over to me. When can I expect that signed deed? What's that? You don't feel like signing away your rights?

Imagine that...!

4. Iran's formal notification to the IAEA of the planned construction of the backup fuel-rod facility underscores that Iran is playing by the rules of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which Iran has signed.

5. Iran allows IAEA inspections of all its facilities.

Be sure and let me know when they get around to allowing inspection of Natanz and Qom, OK? Just because I let you rummage around in my kitchen cabinets doesn't mean I don't have a hogshead of black powder in my basement.

6. Contrary to face-saving claims, it appears that the US and Israel were both caught off guard by Iran's announcement of a planned underground (to avoid being bombed) enrichment facility. The reasoning is simple. Had the US or Israel announced the existence of he new facility before Iran's notified the IAEA, it would have put Iran on the defensive. As it is now, the US and Israel seem to be playing catch up, casting doubt on the veracity of Israel's claims to "know" that Iran is a nuclear threat.

Kewl! Iran can play politics, too! Now if you've got something I don't already know...

7. The IAEA and all 16 United States Intelligence Agencies are unanimous in agreement that Iran is not building and does not possess nuclear weapons.

I can name a date when the US "was not building and did not possess nuclear weapons" as well... care to count how many they have now? It's odd how those folks at Oak Ridge had to work out the details, then enrich a bunch of uranium before they started "building or possessing nuclear weapons". It's pretty useles to build something before you have the fuel for it. What's that? Did I hear someone say "but Iran IS enriching uranium!"?

8. In 1986, Mordachai Vanunu blew the whistle and provided photographs showing Israel's clandestine nuclear weapons factory underneath the reactor at Dimona.

Now we're back to "And...? I'm sure you have some sort of point. What is it?"

9. Israel made the same accusations against Iraq that it is making against Iran, leading up to Israel's bombing of the power station at Osirik. Following the invasion of 2003, international experts examined the ruins of the power station at Osirik and found no evidence of a clandestine weapons factory in the rubble.

Yeah, well, that's on Israel, isn't it?

10. The United Nations has just released the Goldstone Report, a scathing report which accuses Israel of 37 specific war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza earlier this year. Israel has denounced the report as "Anti-Semitic (even though Judge Goldstone is himself Jewish), and the United States will block the report from being referred to the War Crimes Tribunal at the Hague, thereby making the US Government an accessory after-the-fact.

I'm familiar with the biased Goldstone report - I've discussed it elsewhere at ATS. That has a bearing on rhetoric the Iranian Ayatollahs spew... how? Is Goldstone Iranian or something?

11. Recently revealed documents prove not only that Israel has nuclear weapos, but actually tried to sell some to Apartheid South Africa. Who else Israel approached to sell nuclear weapons remains an unasked question.

Back to "And...? I'm sure you have some sort of point. What is it?" Seriously, what is your point? There's nothing illegal there on Israel's part, so what is your point?

12. In 1965, Israel stole over 200-600 pounds of weapons-grade uranium from the United States.

Stole? I thought they were making their own at Dimona! Should I wait while you get your stories straight?

13. Declassified documents from the former South African regime prove not only that Israel has had nuclear weapons for decades, but has tried to sell them to other countries!

Sigh... "And...? I'm sure you have some sort of point. What is it?"

14. In 1991 Israel had a plan to assasinate George H. Bush at the Madrid peace conference. poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com...

So now you suddenly like Bush? If not, what's the loss?

15. U.S.S. Liberty bombing

Are you familiar with that incident? Really familar? There's a good chance I'd have bombed them, too. I do agree that the coverup afterward was awkward - instead of hiding it, Israel should have rolled over on the US and told about the duplicitous behavior the Liberty was up to at the orders of the President at that time.

16. USS Cole

Say what? Do you know anything at all about the Cole bombing? If so, why are you including it here?

17. In October 18, 1983 a Jewish terrorist threatened to blow up the House of Representatives.

In 1979, Iran overran US sovereign territory and held US citizens hostage for 444 days. That has a lot more bearing on this thread than a "jewish terrorist" nutter. in 1995, a white spremacist terrorist nutter DID blow up a federal building - he didn't just "threaten", he did it. That has about as much bearing on a thread about Iranian rhetoric as a jewish terrorist nutter.

Seriously, have you got anything of relevance to the thread, or do you just want to trash "dem jeeeews!"?

What was that you claimed about ME again? oh, yeah, you said:

Spoken like a true imbecile

Originally posted by disiswhoitb

Originally posted by Jimjolnir
when one religion tries to rule the world, or believes it is their place to do so, that is when the rest of us rise up and say NO! Mu'Fu####!! and if we just sit back, then what do our actions say about us? If a religion wants to dictate to the rest of the world then I don't even want them on the back of the bus, if they would learn respect, we could teach them, if not, they'd be better off at the bottom of the ocean, or on their own planet where their biggotry can mold and snuff themselves out.

Maybe you should read the Old Testament or the Talmud.

I've read them, and the Qur'an as well as several other religious texts. Can you be so kind as to point out where in the Old Testament or the Talmud that it says it is their place to rule the world?

If not, you are just talking out of your fourth point of contact, without a clue as to what you are talking about.

Originally posted by forklift
Whose got illegal stockpile of Nukes? Answer: Israel

Not that I am a fan of Israel, quite the opposite in fact, but they're supposed nuclear programme is not illegal. I'll let you work out why.