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No Chance of WWIII

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posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by jude11
Iran has never wanted war. Their history proves so.

The US is all about war and their history proves it as well.

The US will do and say anything to instigate war. In fact, the US is ONLY about war from its inception to its current actions and policy.

Anything else?

Peace

The only reason that Iran...which has their eye on becoming a Major Power in the region...has not initiated War is that it is being held in check by the U.S. Split Infinity




posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by sarra1833

Originally posted by SplitInfinity

Originally posted by Expat888
regardless of what the rest of the world wants damn america and israel will start a major war to destroy the world.

iran and everyone else want peace...

IRAN...want's peace so that they can quietly do whatever they want to their citizens....beat, torture, murder....all in the name of some GOD.


which is their laws in their country which they've lived for thousands upon thousands of years. If they were part of the USA, they'd have to go by our rules and laws. They are not part of the USA, therefore, to thine own laws be true. Not other countries laws; your own.

Attitudes like yours are easy to post in a peaceful home without the possibility that some Secret Police will break down your door and beat you to death for mentioning....as you have....it is OK to beat and torture and Kill your people because it is THEIR COUNTRY? I have worked in the Field....I have seen very young people facing almost certain death....carry a protest sign just to text some intell. on the positioning of a 50 cal. among a large bunch of sand bags. If htey are caught texting....they will be tortured slowly to Death. They KNOW they will be beaten BLOODY for carrying the sign....these are people who LONG to be free....and YOUR EXCUSE IS....Their Leadership can KILL as many as they want because it is their country and this is they way things are and have been for thousands of years?!? THIS CONCEPT OF DECLARING THE UNITED STATES IMPERIALISTIC BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY COUNTRY WITH A SET OF BALLS LARGE ENOUGH TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THINGS LIKE THIS.....is BULLS#!%!

I hate WAR but sometimes it is a necessity! With any luck...Irans own population....70% of all people are under the age of 30 years old. Will take over. Current estimates are 12 to 18 months. But for us to turn our heads is cowardice. I also HATE THE F'N DESERT! But I always get stuck in it one way or another. IRAN...being the catalist for WWIII?!? Gimme a break! Iran is too unimportant for anyone to rally to their side and in the event of war....that Democratic Loving 90% of Iranians would be Lasing the targets for the USAF as well as any Carrier attack group! Some people here have to read their history and remeber who the good guys were. Also....if it actually DID COME DOWN TO A WAR....the U.S. would attempt to limit Iranian Casualties in an attempt to not piss off possible allies! All this WAR talk is being created by a less than 10% Old Religious Guard ellite class of Iranian that professes their Religion then watches PORN or beats one of their wives and having a young Male sexual slave is a popular thing among the powerful in that country. The only thing preventing ISRAEL from bombing Iranian Nuclear sites has been the U.S. as that would irradiate the whole Middle East. If Russia and China really had their heart in it....they would not want to go up against Hardend U.S. Troops usinfg Advanced Weapons that would again embarrass Russia in the field as although Russians were not opperating there tanks...U.S. Power Projection is a Global Force and uses an integrated universal Military Branch risk assessment when selecting both targets and survivability. Bottom Line....the U.S. in a WAR with IRAN is not only HIGHLY UNLIKELY BUT comes no where near what would be a way to spark a WWIII. Do to the massive disparity in U.S. High Tech. to other and all countries....one would be suicidal to go to ar against the U.S. Split Infinity



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 12:42 AM
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So the USA owns the world and we should push our laws, rules and beliefs on to every other Country in the world, then? We should dictate how everyone should behave?

Funny. Those who have their females wear burkas and who read the Koran daily etc want to do the same thing to the entire world. Have everyone follow /their/ laws, rules and beliefs - yet we instantly scream 'that's wrong! You can't do that!" - yet we'll force ours onto them? Really?
A shame indeed.



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 01:38 AM
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Originally posted by sarra1833
So the USA owns the world and we should push our laws, rules and beliefs on to every other Country in the world, then? We should dictate how everyone should behave?


If the United States doesn't rule the world, some other country will. I'd rather have the United States ruling the world than that whack job Iran.



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by sarra1833
So the USA owns the world and we should push our laws, rules and beliefs on to every other Country in the world, then? We should dictate how everyone should behave?

Funny. Those who have their females wear burkas and who read the Koran daily etc want to do the same thing to the entire world. Have everyone follow /their/ laws, rules and beliefs - yet we instantly scream 'that's wrong! You can't do that!" - yet we'll force ours onto them? Really?
A shame indeed.


If you think that for one moment ...being Female in the Middle East is anything more than Slavery....or that there is any other country that would give a crap or at the very least try to do something....you are deluding yourself.

The U.S. could use a little help here and there instead of the constant gripping. Split Infinity



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 01:45 AM
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I hope you are right about this. If there were any involvement by either side war would likely grow into a worldwide trend.



posted on Mar, 2 2012 @ 02:55 AM
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The main reason that there will not be a WWIII is that even though more countries now have Nuclear Weapons...and the U.S. has even drawn down its Nukes to the point that our main land based Nuclear Deterent...the Minuteman III...which used to have three MIRVED warheads on each...now has only one....is that the U.S. changed it's concept of Battleplans years ago.

We knew no one wins in an all out Nuclear exchange....so even though the new Russia was in no position to bargin with us....and more than half of it's Nukes were stationed on none Russian soil...but old Soviet Satellites that REFUSED TO ALLOW the return of the Nukes to Russia....the U.S. steped in and was allowed to dismantle them. The old Soviet Satellite Countries HATED THE RUSSIANS and even though they would not allow a return of these Nukes...they allowed the U.S. to destroy them.

Still...even with this enormous advantage...the U.S. drew down it's Nuclear stockpiles and especially ICBM's...why? Because this made the Russians also draw down their ICBM's in number. The U.S. does not worry about Russian Nuclear Bombers as they would be blown out of the sky well before they reached target. The Russian subs or BOOMERS....our sub force has got everyone of these tracked and the U.S. Attack subs are so quiet...the U.S. itself cannot find one if it is in stealth run.

So why did we give in? Why did we reduce our ICBM part of the Nuclear Triad....because we knew we were on the verge of developing the Free Electron Laser and had already developed an advanced high power...long burn solid fuel to convert our standard SM-3 Anti-Aircraft Missles into ABM's and Satellite killers. Less ICBM's less targets to hit. The Russians actually blew a chance to become part of the ABM system as a less advanced ABM system was to be installed fixed on land in Poland and perhaps two other spots....we encouraged the Russians to partake....they Bitched and Moaned so we had another breakthrough in targeting and aquisition so we said BYE and now these will be aboard ships as well as they are currently all over Alaska and Canada. Russia had a chance....but PUTIN...greedy for power could not stomach it. U.S. Carrier Maintenence schedualing has been changed as all Carriers will be installed with an additional Nuclear Reactor as well as the FEL. U.S. Cruisers will also have the FEL. There are two current FEL's on land...one in Canada...one in Alaska...newer ones will be mobile. These will render Nuclear Weapons OBSOLETE....and this is the end of MAD....Mutually assured destruction. Rusia should have allowed the Poland sites and become a part of the system as back when the sites were designed...Russian radar was considered a must...this is no longer so.
PUTIN BLEW IT! So now...he spouts Anti-American Imperialism...and hopes to win ellection. Split Infinity



posted on Mar, 2 2012 @ 03:13 AM
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At last, someone who see's it very much the same as I do.

Russia and China may continue with the usual political ramblings and sound bites all meant for public consumption but behind the scenes they are singing from the same hymn sheet as the US etc.

There is no way there will be a major military confrontation between the three superpowers - they are fully aware of the MAD scenario.
They are all far more interested in agreeing sphere's of influence and dividing the world up between themselves.

Sure, there maybe the odd proxy war here and there but major military confrontation will not occur.

The biggest threat to world security etc comes from rogue states and extremist nations and organisations.



posted on Mar, 2 2012 @ 03:20 AM
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Yes...you have it right. But there is one other thing. The U.S. breakthough in ABM's and the Free Electron Laser. Google the Laser...all U.S. Carriers and Cruisers will have Nuclear Powered versions installed. Discover Magazine has written that a Nuclear Powered version of the FEL can burn a hole through 1000 ft. of solid steel in a matter of seconds. That is not a misprint.

The FEL is a Game Changer....and the Russians and Chinese know it! Split Infinity



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 01:04 AM
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Funny how you try to compare leaders who force their women to wear burkas and beat them with a country that wants its own citizens to choose what they want to wear freely, and if they get beat by their husband, are 1 phone call away from sending his ass to jail.....

and you live in Chicago, and think you know everything about Iran and how 'peaceful' they are.

Can you spell 'Naive'?

If you all Hate America so much, and Love Iran, Why dont you move there? You get to stone your wife if you catch her looking at another man...



posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 11:38 AM
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The point, which you so eloquently sidestepped, was not to compare "theirs" and "ours".
The point, is that the mindset you portray, is that of the neighborhood busy-body who is always telling you how to live your life. Giving advise where it isn't wanted, telling you how to raise your kids, etc.

In short, we meddle. We are meddlesome. Put even more directly - It's not our country; its not our business.
Any other country's laws/customs/traditions shouldn't concern us in the least bit. If that country's people don't like it; they can change it themselves. We have no place, nor authority to butt in. We should leave them to their own affairs till such time comes that they overwhelmingly ask for our help.

Until such a time comes; we should assume that those people are content with things as they are; and leave it at that.



posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 10:40 AM
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You can argue, you can show "proof", you can cry and shout like there's no tomorrow. The war WILL HAPPEN, the sooner you people stick that into your minds, the better prepared you will be.
It does not depend on economy;
It does not depend on politics;
It does not depend on people's will;
It does not depend on religion;
It does not depend on you or me;

This is ALL part of a plan. A plan that has been going on for about 3 centuries now. They want to control the whole world. And at this point there's absolutelly NOTHING we can do to stop them.



posted on Mar, 8 2012 @ 05:51 PM
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Russia and China will not get involved directly but will pull strings from behind the stage by supplying weapons and intel to both Iran and Syria.

Russia kind of weak and tired for a major war. China is not interested in fighting any war for anyone else.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 04:31 PM
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I never thought it would be capable.
I've met many russians and they would rather be raped than help out Muslims.



posted on Apr, 13 2012 @ 10:50 PM
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Originally posted by blood0fheroes
reply to post by bodybagPAT
 


The point, which you so eloquently sidestepped, was not to compare "theirs" and "ours".
The point, is that the mindset you portray, is that of the neighborhood busy-body who is always telling you how to live your life. Giving advise where it isn't wanted, telling you how to raise your kids, etc.

In short, we meddle. We are meddlesome. Put even more directly - It's not our country; its not our business.
Any other country's laws/customs/traditions shouldn't concern us in the least bit. If that country's people don't like it; they can change it themselves. We have no place, nor authority to butt in. We should leave them to their own affairs till such time comes that they overwhelmingly ask for our help.

Until such a time comes; we should assume that those people are content with things as they are; and leave it at that.

I brought this topic back because I did not see this post. You state that the U.S. is meddlesome...or at least that is how I am reading your use of the word WE. The current situations out there...such as IRANS drive for Nuclear Weapons....and since they State with Bravado...how many new Centrifuges they have working on a Monthly basis...and the only use for these Centrifuges is to enrich Uranium to Weapons Grade...there is no other reason to have thousands upon thousands of Centrifuges.

Now Iran did not have the Technical Ability to Develop Nuclear Power or Reactors...so...it signed the NUCLEAR NON-PROLIFERATION TREATY which allows peaceful uses of Nuclear Energy...Iran bought the Nuclear Tech. from Russia...but in exchange for this Tech...IRAN MUST ABIDE BY THE TREATY...inspectors must be allowed into all Nuclear Sites. IRAN CANNOT BUILD SECRET SITES....which is was caught doing and has built several. Iran also cannot build Nuclear Bombs or sell Nuclear Tech. to another country. Split Infinity



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posted on Apr, 14 2012 @ 03:54 PM
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I wonder Mr. Split Infinity, if you are clear as to reasons you would like to attack Iran. Let me perfectly understand you...

Is it--"Iranian citizens are not free! Therefore we should Bomb their country (causing their deaths and making it to where the rest have no possibly jobs to sustain life for the families, orphaning children, widowing wives)?

Or is it--"Iran is making nuclear weapons! Therefore we should bomb them"

If it is option #1, why does the U.S. not have the BALLS to go and bomb Saudia for their citizens are far from free!

if it is option #2 where is your proof?

If you have a lack of proof of option #2 and are only afraid that they MIGHT someday... where are these BALLS you spoke of?

if you believe it is a benefit to US to attack Iran, even without proof, what is the benefit to you personally? Is it monetary? Will it give you jobs or save the impending global economic collapse? Is it strategic? Are you wanting M.E. Hegemony?

Let us be clear why you support any action at all!



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 10:15 AM
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I never really thought of Iran ever declaring war even though they are being pushed around trying to incite them into a conflict.

having said that Iran has a pretty messed up way of life but it is their way of life. You disagree with their way of life as much as they disagree with ours. Both sides kill in the name of their way of life and both abuse their people in different manners.. do not be naive in thinking we are not abused as well which is worse is not up for debate. We should not only diffuse our technology but our ideals to them but with war we will accomplish nothing as when you confront a people with annihilation they will find a way to survive.

I think Iran has little pull on provoking WWIII if it does happen I am pretty sure the USA and Israel will be involved. Iran is not stupid and knows that they are just looking for a reason to attack them. even if there is war with Iran i would hardly call it a WW more like a "military" action or whatever our government likes to call wars now.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 10:20 AM
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I for one don't want any kind of war breaking out, and I don't know how close or not the middle east is to being lit up again.

But, where are your sources that state otherwise? This is pure speculation from one persons perspective at this point in the thread...



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 12:40 AM
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I support the current U.S. Plan with dealing with Iran...do nothing! Iran has the Highest Ratio's of Young to Old...IRAN has over 70% of their entire population UNDER THE AGE OF 30 Years old. It also has a population that is over 93% Pro-Democracy.

Iran is not stupid although it's words would appear to make it so. These words of Military Challenge to the United States are designed to fuel Terrorist Group of which Iran is a Leading Monetary Donator. Do you know that IRAN has shipped THOUSANDS of T-Shirts with a Nuclear Mushroom Cloud on them with the words...Muslim Bomb.

Iran will very quickly IMPLODE UPON ITSELF and war between the U.S. and IRAN is unlikely unless Iran does something drastically STUPID! 1. Attempt to close the Strait of Hormuz...which would last about 15 Minutes.......2. Whether it is true or not...Publicly Declare that IRAN has developed a Nuclear Weapon. In either of these two STUPIDITIES OF ACTIONS...it would force the U.S. to respond Militarily...and NO ONE want's to see what the way the U.S. would act against a Nuclear Armed or even statedly so...Nuclear Armed Country. It would be a Blood Bath. But the Old Guard Religious leaders don't care.

The smart play is leave Iran alone and let it's own people to take over s projections have a Iranian Democratic Revolution occuring within 12 to 16 months. Split Infinity




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