Iranian Nukes... Should the World Allow Madmen Such Power?

Originally posted by ideasarebulletproof
Here's a better analogy for you:

4 Kids are circling 1 single kid. The 4 kids have guns and knives, but the 1 kid in the middle only has a knife.
The 4 kids surrounding start threatening the 1 kid in the middle.
The 1 kid in the middle wants a gun, but according to the other kids he's "not allowed to", and block any tries he makes to obtain one.

So, what you're basically saying is the kid in the middle is the bad guy.

Not so. It is more like there are four kids having a soda at a malt shop. Then one kid in the shop sitting in the middle starts playing with a gun. He starts slowly loading bullets into the gun while shouting that he wants to kill one of the other kids. He starts waving the gun saying that there is one bullet in the chamber. He threatens to kill another kids. Should the other kids run? Should they try to defend themselves before this one kid kills another kid?

show me a man who never gets mad and then send him all the nukes in the world.

sounds like a logical plan.

Originally posted by litterbaux
"good fences make good neighbors" Robert Frost.

What the hell is wrong with everyone around here?

I hope the big bully aspect is working for you in life. We have nukes, its our ace in the sleeve. You mess with us... heh... ur gettin nuked. Once the bullied kid gets the nukes, oh wait! Oh no! We should be scared.

Why?

Because we've been bullying them the whole time. You gotta watch out for that small kid in the playground that will knock the crap outta ya.

Listen, the United States and Allied nations are responsible for saving the world from WWII Hitler/Nazi rule. We embraced defeated enemies and REBUILT their economies. We *did not* occupy conquered enemies. Japan, Germany and Italy are FREE STATES today because we (US) believe in *FREEDOM.* We treated defeated enemies very well. And, today, the WORLD enjoys BMWs and Toyota and Venice. Our way is to make the world a better place. Not to destroy, not to become martyrs out of bloodlust and the thirst for killing innocents in suicide fashion.

The leaders of the US do not call for the destruction of other nations. However, there are some few other nations that call for the destruction of nations. Iranian leaders have done this in public fashion. There IS NO DISPUTE ABOUT THESE FACTS. They have done so on international television. Now, picture these people with control over ballistic missile technology and weaponized nuclear technology. They have already pronounced their intentions. Is it madness to allow madmen to wield such destructive weapons? They have announced their intentions. They refuse to conform to international objections.

Keep in mind that the Iranian people are not the enemy. They are led, however, by a small group of people who want to destroy other nations. Most "average" people want peace. We want to raise our children and enjoy life. Stupid, violent leaders (like the Iranian heads of state) call for violence and destruction in a public forum. What should the world do, sit back and let madmen develop weapons they won't hesitate to use?

reply to post by GhostLancer
well gee ask China North Korea Russia Pakistan India USA UK Israel for they are mad men to have them, a mad man would only want one to prove he is just as mad.

Originally posted by bojimbo
OP, who's the real madman?
Iran? Israel? North Korea? U.S.?

A lot of events have had me reviewing prior 'history' and something stinks
What's the real reason behind the actions of the U.S., Israel, Iran, Russia, China, etc.?

You've already made it clear that you've accepted that Iran is the 'bad guy' or the 'madman'

These days, once you start pointing fingers, it turns into a game of hot potato real fast.
Arguably, our hands aren't cleaner than anyone else's

edit on 27-2-2012 by bojimbo because: misspelling

Their "president" has publicly called for the destruction of Israel and The West. Israel and The West have not called for the destruction of Iran. In fact, The West embraces cultural differences in the sense of "a well-stocked buffet is more enjoyable than a buffet containing only a single culture's food." In fact, in the US, you will find cuisine from all over the world: Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Vietnamese, Indian, Middle-eastern, Ethiopian, Italian, Mexican, South American, Caribbean, etc., etc., etc. In the US, especially in L.A. and NYC, you will find people from all places, food from all cultures.

The US does not call for the all-out destruction of any country. We would rather be friends. Yet, the leaders of some countries call for the destruction of other countries. The president of Iran has done this ---while developing nuclear capability. This is tantamount to a loud-mouthed psychopath slowly loading a gun in a crowd of artistic, peace-loving people.

Back in WWII, the US used two nukes to END A WAR that would have cost millions more lives to resovle otherwise (in a conventional way). By using nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the US actually *saved countless lives* of Japanese (who would have fought to the death for their emperor) and US military personnel. Yes, it was terrible. No, you would never want to choose to do something like that. But, it save lives.

Since then, the world has never used a nuke in such a manner because both the Soviets/Russians and the US have been RESPONSIBLE CARETAKERS. Now, smaller states with RADICAL IDEOLOGIES have stolen/bought/developed nuclear capability. People who are willing to blow themselves up with an explosive vest in a bus --people with that mentality-- would not be "responsible" with their use of nuclear technology.

Advanced technology has wisely been suppressed, for surely there exists tech out there much more powerful than nuclear tech. Tesla comes to mind. When you have the ability to destroy a planet, you have to keep that technology (rightfully) from barbarians with the mentality of greedy, selfish and violent CHILDREN. Allowing Iran to develop weaponized nuclear tech is like giving a flamethrower to a child in a library.

reply to post by GhostLancer
yep their thinking why take out a buss or building when a city would do, and yet we say let them have a nuke but look the rest of the world has nukes yea but not willing to use them, where Iran or any extremist would.

If anyone really wants to know why Iran wants the nuke and why i say i am for it read this worldnews.about.com... from the link

Question: Who is the 12th imam?

enough of the tap dancing lets get on with the show, for I am all for world peace!!!

There is a Fatwa against nukes. So no chance if Iran building one. Just because these guys have diffrent beliefs and a different skin color you want to invade them. You need a reality check pal.

Iranian Nukes... Should the World Allow Madmen Such Power?

Should the world allow such madmen the power to use propaganda to influence the world in a way that would have people support the wars that are continued to be planned and waged based on misinterpretation and a way that obviously shows that we currently live in a world where we are lost in translation?

The problem we have is not IRAN. The problem is greed and corruption and also translation.

FACT: The Iranian president has called for the destruction of Israel.
FACT: Any strike by Israel to stop the weaponization of nuclear technology by Iran will be considered by Iranian leadership as an attack from The West.
FACT: The Iranian president has called for the destruction of the West.

Do we need to wait until "smoking guns" in the form of "mushroom clouds" alert us to the fact that evil leaders have enacted their plans at world apocalypse?

When I read "World" and "Madmen", Iran is hardly the nation that comes to mind!

Instead, USA, CIA, NATO, America do.

Wonder why?

Originally posted by TheMindWar
There is a Fatwa against nukes. So no chance if Iran building one. Just because these guys have diffrent beliefs and a different skin color you want to invade them. You need a reality check pal.

Maybe this is wrong, but aren't there Fatwas urging violence against Israel and the West? Am I wrong, but is not one of the fundamental teachings of Islam is to **lie** to anyone to further Islamist ideals? Is it not taught that to LIE to others is condoned and encouraged? Devil's Advocate: while deceiving enemies is essential in a strategical sense, Western religion does not condone or advocate LYING. Religiously, Western religion promotes honesty even thought Western religion realizes people will lie. Is it not true that Islam promotes LYING as a way of life to deceive enemies? There is a fine grey-line distinction here, but there is a line none-the-less.

Further, the heads-of-state of Iran call for the violent and bloody destruction of Israel and the West. Israel and the West do not harbor such hatred at Iran.

Originally posted by GhostLancer

FACT: Any strike by Israel to stop the weaponization of nuclear technology by Iran will be considered by Iranian leadership as an attack from The West.

How would we know Israel attacked FOR THAT REASON?

Trust/honor system?

Israel isn't a sovereign natural country, it's a puppet nation that was installed by USA over Palestine a mere 60 years ago!

Originally posted by GhostLancer
sorry wrong thread

edit on 28-2-2012 by jazz10 because: (no reason given)

reply to post by GhostLancer


LMAO wow, they really have your knickers in a twist don't they? I'm sorry but you've gobbled up this BS from the MSM hook, line, and sinker if you honestly believe that crap.

Who assassinated whose scientists again? Oh yea that's right.
I'm sure if a precious Israeli stubbed a toe,
you'd blame Iran for putting the coffee table in the way.

Well, I think the first question should be, who is really the mad men?

Iran has not attacked or invaded anyone in over 100 years.

The US has invaded or attacked many many countries in the last 60 years.

So who is the really the mad men?

Originally posted by MrWendal
Well, I think the first question should be, who is really the mad men?

Iran has not attacked or invaded anyone in over 100 years.

The US has invaded or attacked many many countries in the last 60 years.

So who is the really the mad men?

Iran has attacked another country: Iraq. They attacked Iraq in the 1980s Iran-Iraq war. They have had covert operations involving Iranian agents/terrorists/assassins. They are very good at hiding that fact. However, being objective, the US has done similar things. A further "however," though, is that the US and the West has not called for the destruction of Iran. Iran has called for the destruction of Israel and the West, and their leaders have gone on camera and before audiences to prove this.

Again, it is not the Iranian people who are guilty of this. For, they are much like people of the US, like people everywhere: they/we do not want war. Unfortunately for them, Iran's leaders are *shouting* for war, for bloodshed for killing and for the destruction of other nations. When such a nation does this, other nations will not sit by and let psychopaths in power conduct their dreams of death and destruction. We let one psychopath do too much damage (Hitler), and we have learned that lesson. The lesson is that when psychopaths shout, they perhaps need to be prevented from conducting holocausts. The leader(s) of Iran are shouting in such a way as to provoke preemptive strikes to prevent "holocaust."

Originally posted by TheMindWar
There is a Fatwa against nukes. So no chance if Iran building one. Just because these guys have diffrent beliefs and a different skin color you want to invade them. You need a reality check pal.

Your logic is flawed. Do you think a simple Fatwa would stop a *fanatic?* Most people know the real answer: no. Someone who will strap explosives into their vest and detonate on a bus (or wherever) in hopes of having sex with virgins in the afterlife would not hesitate to break a Fatwa? These people believe that Fear shall overcome Reason. Unfortunately for them, there is a large group of peoples around the world who are Brave, Noble and Courageous: these people will stand up against those who wish to inspire hatred, fear and the Dark Side of the Force. There are indeed Sith in this world, and there are indeed good people.

No "Fatwa against nukes" would ever stop a fanatic from conducting his nighmarish dreams of bloody gore death upon innocents. Only good people who are resolved to rid the world of evil will stop that fanatic.

Originally posted by GhostLancer
The leaders, however, are crazy for calling for the destruction of Israel while developing weaponized nuclear technology.

Show us a good, credible translation of Iran's leadership calling for the "destruction of Israel" word for word, you used these words, not them. While you're at it bring us some proof of their weaponized nuclear program. And then evidence, perhaps based on past actions, that they might deploy said weapon. Then I'll tell you no, we shouldn't.

Oh, and also a list of all nations that have ever deployed nuclear weapons to put this whole thing into context, for irony's sake.