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Also, I have a question about this part (this is Assange's lawyer saying how Wikileaks would release full versions of all files -- including names of spies, etc. -- if harmed):
WikiLeaks, Mr. Stephens said, has "been subject to cyberattacks and censorship around the world and they need to protect themselves ... This is what they believe to be a thermonuclear device in the information age."
Originally posted by plube
reply to post by arbiture
So part of your task at hand here on ATS is not ultruistic.then...OMG......you mean that you are here monitoring trends for you own personal gains then....your here for business purposes...weeding out what is being said about stratfor and how it might affect your business in the future.....feeling out the responses so that you too can be prepare for the baklash if and when you might possibly get hacked again yourself.
Oh please.....can you jonestly tell me in the world of corporate espianage that you would not use such tactic to further advance your business market....or use information to further the goals of your clients...like reading all these hack emails and seeing if any of them apply to the clientele that your company has established.
I bet your sniffing through the emails yourself like a little rat in a warren trying to eek out any bits of data which might help you to head off say a merger...or a sour business deal that may affect one or several of your clients.
Please do not play the bleeding heart here as it will not wash.....the question is not the ethics behind the emails right now...it is the content....and from what many have read about the internal workings of this company....it should be against the law for them to exist....at the end of the day it is spying.....and no matter what we all know we are more and more spied on everyday is this world....and it really is disgusting.
people spy because theya re paranoid about their own self delusional paranoia ...they are so hung up on their self importance and the fact that they themselves are most likely doing something dirty they need to hire a third party company such as yours to delve into other peoles business.....and if your company just looks at say marketing trends then that is a little diffferent that spying for profits......I mean really where are the ethics when a company is trying to further the greed of a murdurous company such as DOW chemicals.
hope you sleep with a clear conscience.
Focus on the critical sentence: "Yet, when a victim explodes or acts out in unacceptable ways, these same officials are shocked and indignant."
What exactly are these "unacceptable ways" of exploding or acting out? Who decided they were "unacceptable"? Why is it that "reluctant school officials" will not "take definitive action" against the bullies -- thus tacitly conceding that the bullying itself is not all that "unacceptable" -- while the same officials are "shocked and indignant" when the victim protests too strongly?
This pattern, and certain of its origins, will be found throughout history, in every culture around the world. The pattern is a simple and deadly one: the oppressor -- that is, those who are in the superior position, whether they are parents, school officials, or the government, or in a superior position merely by virtue of physical strength -- may inflict bodily harm and/or grievous, lifelong emotional and psychological injury, but the victim may only protest within the limits set by the oppressor himself. The oppressor will determine those forms of protest by the victim that are "acceptable."
You see this pattern with regard to many helpless, lonely children in addition to Billy Wolfe...
The oppressor may inflict unimaginable cruelties on innocent victims -- but the victims may only protest in ways which the oppressor deems "acceptable." The profound injustice is obvious, but not in itself remarkable or unexpected: this is how oppression operates. But ask yourself about the deeper reason for the prohibition. This is of the greatest importance: the victims may only protest within a constricted range of "permissible" behavior because, when they exceed the prescribed limits, they make the oppressors too uncomfortable. They force the oppressors to confront the nature of what they, the oppressors, have done in ways that the oppressors do not choose to face.
Take some time to appreciate the unfathomable cruelty of this pattern. You may be grievously harmed and even permanently damaged by the actions of those who hold unanswerable power -- but you may only speak about this evil and its effects within the very narrow limits set by those who would destroy you. If you are killed, the identical prohibitions apply to those who still manage to survive and who would protest the unforgivable crime committed against you. In this manner, the complacency and comfort of those who possess immense power and wealth are underwritten by the silence forced upon their victims. The victims may speak and even protest, but only within severely circumscribed limits, and only so long as their rulers are not made to feel too uncomfortable, or too guilty. Anything which approaches too close to the truth is strictly forbidden.
Memo to the Victims: You Yourselves Will Pay for the Crimes of the Ruling Class
Is it possible to revoke some one's citizenship on the grounds of them
being a total dickhead?
I don't care about the other leaks but the ones he has made that
potentially damage Australian interests upset me.
If I thought I could switch this dickhead off without getting done I
don't think I'd have too much of a problem.
BTW, close family friend in Sweden who knows the girl that is pressing
charges tells me that there is absolutely nothing behind it other than
prosecutors that are looking to make a name for themselves. My friend
speaks rather disparagingly about the girl who is claiming molestation.
I also think the whole rape thing is incorrect for if I remember
correctly rape was never the charge.
The investigation's other findings include:
* Some 1,271 government organizations and 1,931 private companies work on programs related to counterterrorism, homeland security and intelligence in about 10,000 locations across the United States.
* An estimated 854,000 people, nearly 1.5 times as many people as live in Washington, D.C., hold top-secret security clearances.
* In Washington and the surrounding area, 33 building complexes for top-secret intelligence work are under construction or have been built since September 2001. Together they occupy the equivalent of almost three Pentagons or 22 U.S. Capitol buildings - about 17 million square feet of space.
* Many security and intelligence agencies do the same work, creating redundancy and waste. For example, 51 federal organizations and military commands, operating in 15 U.S. cities, track the flow of money to and from terrorist networks.
* Analysts who make sense of documents and conversations obtained by foreign and domestic spying share their judgment by publishing 50,000 intelligence reports each year - a volume so large that many are routinely ignored.
The problem with many intelligence reports, say officers who read them, is that they simply re-slice the same facts already in circulation. "It's the soccer ball syndrome. Something happens, and they want to rush to cover it," said Richard H. Immerman, who was the ODNI's assistant deputy director of national intelligence for analytic integrity and standards until early 2009. "I saw tremendous overlap."
Even the analysts at the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC), which is supposed to be where the most sensitive, most difficult-to-obtain nuggets of information are fused together, get low marks from intelligence officials for not producing reports that are original, or at least better than the reports already written by the CIA, FBI, National Security Agency or Defense Intelligence Agency.
When Maj. Gen. John M. Custer was the director of intelligence at U.S. Central Command, he grew angry at how little helpful information came out of the NCTC. In 2007, he visited its director at the time, retired Vice Adm. John Scott Redd, to tell him so. "I told him that after 41/2 years, this organization had never produced one shred of information that helped me prosecute three wars!" he said loudly, leaning over the table during an interview.
Two years later, Custer, now head of the Army's intelligence school at Fort Huachuca, Ariz., still gets red-faced recalling that day, which reminds him of his frustration with Washington's bureaucracy. "Who has the mission of reducing redundancy and ensuring everybody doesn't gravitate to the lowest-hanging fruit?" he said. "Who orchestrates what is produced so that everybody doesn't produce the same thing?"
The White House
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release December 29, 2009
Executive Order 13526- Classified National Security Information
This order prescribes a uniform system for classifying, safeguarding, and declassifying national security information, including information relating to defense against transnational terrorism. Our democratic principles require that the American people be informed of the activities of their Government. Also, our Nation's progress depends on the free flow of information both within the Government and to the American people. Nevertheless, throughout our history, the national defense has required that certain information be maintained in confidence in order to protect our citizens, our democratic institutions, our homeland security, and our interactions with foreign nations. Protecting information critical to our Nation's security and demonstrating our commitment to open Government through accurate and accountable application of classification standards and routine, secure, and effective declassification are equally important priorities.
Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
reply to post by buddhasystem
The error in your logic is bind boggling, you are dead wrong it is NOT theft
What you are suffering from is a condition what is called system justification
see here www.abovetopsecret.com...
Originally posted by AGWskeptic
For those who have sympathy for the poor unfortunate Corporations who use Stratfor.
Contrary to information circulating on the Internet, George Friedman has not resigned and remains CEO of @Stratfor
I'm George Friedman, founder and CEO of Stratfor.
As most of you know, in December thieves hacked into Stratfor data systems and stole a large number of company emails, as well as private information of Stratfor subscribers and friends. Today Wikileaks is publishing the emails that were stolen in December. This is a deplorable, unfortunate -- and illegal -- breach of privacy.
Some of the emails may be forged or altered to include inaccuracies. Some may be authentic. We will not validate either, nor will we explain the thinking that went into them. Having had our property stolen, we will not be victimized twice by submitting to questions about them.
The disclosure of these emails does not mean that there has been another hack of Stratfor's computer and data systems. Those systems, which we have rebuilt with enhanced security measures, remain secure and protected.
The release of these emails is, however, a direct attack on Stratfor. This is another attempt to silence and intimidate the company, and one we reject. As you can see, emails sent to many people about my resignation were clearly forged.
We do not know what else has been manufactured. Stratfor will not be silenced, and we will continue to publish the geopolitical analysis our friends and subscribers have come to rely on.
As we have said before, Stratfor has worked to build good sources in many countries around the world, as any publisher of geopolitical analysis would do.
We are proud of the relationships we have built, which help our analysts better understand the issues in many of these countries through the eyes of people who live there.
We have developed these relationships with individuals and partnerships with local media in a straightforward manner, and we are committed to meeting the highest standards of professional and ethical conduct.
Stratfor is not a government organization, not is it affiliated with any government. The emails are private property. Like all private emails, they were written casually, with no expectation that anyone other than the sender and recipient would ever see them. And clearly, as with my supposed resignation letter, some of the emails may be fabricated or altered.
Stratfor understands that this hack and the fallout from it have created serious difficulties for our subscribers, friends and employees. We again apologize for this incident, and we deeply appreciate the loyalty that has been shown to Stratfor since last year's hack.
We want to assure everyone that Stratfor is recovering from the hack. We will continue to do what we do best: produce and publish independent analysis of international affairs. And we will be back in full operation in the coming weeks. We look forward to continuing to serve you.
Despite the new disclosures, Wikileaks is still facing difficulties on several fronts.
The group admitted last October that it was running out of money.
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by AGWskeptic
For those who have sympathy for the poor unfortunate Corporations who use Stratfor.
What does it have to do with anything? You seem to be dissatisfied with the condition of the world, and I would join you in that. However, how does it help us as a society that a vigilante group starts violating privacy that is already in jeopardy in the Unites States? First off, for the hackers it's a power trip and it's sad that you applaud someone's fetish. Then, it becomes acceptable in the society at large that you can justify violation of privacy in the name of some unspecified cause or because you enjoy mental masturbation. Then, people become tolerant to this sort of things and then it becomes a normal practice of various LEA and the government.
What you are saying is close to "it's OK to torture a few hundred employees of BP etc because the world we live in is unjust as it is".