Rae claims 'robocalls' contributed to Liberal candidates' defeat

Rae claims 'robocalls' contributed to Liberal candidates' defeat

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Interim Liberal Leader Bob Rae claims reports of "robocalls" and voter suppression tactics contributed to the defeat of Liberal candidates in at least 27 ridings during the last federal election.

These tactics were the equivalent of "stuffing a ballot box," Rae said at a news conference in the riding of Toronto-Danforth on Saturday.

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Seems like its considered a conspiracy that implicates the Federal Government.
If it had been just one area, then only a few people may be involved, but because it was widespread this is BIG and implements the Government.

Basically some people were misdirected to booths that didn't exist or where told it was wrong booth, so their votes didn't get counted.

And I did find it very odd that the minority Conservative Government tried twice to get a majority. Its never happened like that before. So their majority may be in question and accomplished through fraudulent means.

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Robocall Linked to Tories - 2011 Canadian Election Fraud

To me this is all apart of NWO and obviously this particular party was the vehicle needed.

That is a very interesting look at the Canadian election issues and problems. Somehow, it's good to know we aren't the only ones driven to the point of a breakdown over the endless robo calls.

Something jumps out at me though. I'm thinking of my own case here, but no robo call or wise guy outside a polling place is going to derail MY vote going through. They'll piss me off to no end...but they won't prevent my vote being cast where it needs to be and for who I intended.

SO..... Isn't the blame for confusion and diversion from voting as much or more the fault of the people who so easily allowed themselves to be manipulated? I don't release the people setting things up from blame. Nowhere close....but one needs to be open to being made a fool of before it's likely to work.

there should be a new election held because of this. Just to add more to the story

A Conservative staffer has resigned following reports that Elections Canada is investigating fake election day phone calls used to keep voters away from polls.

There is no evidence he was involved, but he chose to resign anyways. - sounds guilty to me.

Voters in that riding complained they were the target of automated robocalls claiming to be on behalf of Elections Canada that directed them to the wrong polling station. Telling voters to go to the wrong or non-existent polling stations is a voter suppression tactic and illegal under the

-The company used to make those calls was used in the past by the conservative Government.

"The party was not involved with these calls and if anyone on a local campaign was involved they will not play a role in a future campaign," Jenni Byrne said in a statement.

-Sorry thats just not good enough, how about we investigate who was involved, put them in jail, and hold a re-election.

Liberals demand emergency debate Liberal Leader Bob Rae announced Friday he's asking House Speaker Andrew Scheer for an emergency debate into voter suppression. "In my opinion, this debate is necessary because denying someone the opportunity to vote is to deny them the most basic right that exists in our democracy," Rae says in his letter to Scheer. "These reports undermine the reputation of Parliament and cast a shadow over the legitimacy of all parliamentary proceedings."

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A couple of weeks before voting, they send you a bright yellow piece of paper that says where you have to vote, usually is around the corner from where you live and you literally have all day to do it, so I wouldn`t have let a robo-call get in the way of my voting either. Regardless, this story stinks.

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There is evidence that it was wide spread tampering, and that it must be from a very high power source, due to its non isolated locality. So to say there is no evidence is not really true.

I feel more than an election should be called, criminal charges need to be laid, but the investigators are probably meeting up with some dire threats, maybe even NAU type US bullies, since Harper seems a tool for their fascist policies here.

But in Canada, this is quite a big thing. I had read someone saying people knew something was up, when the party got in that most people didn't vote for or agree with.

They often pull that off, simply by readjusting ridings so that a premiere of a province can get elected with a majority government, but due to split left votes, ie in BC, the green party took many of the NDP votes, they can say they're majority and yet, 60% roughly voted left, so what will do they have to conduct their policies. None!!!!

But due to the game of politics, ridings and the parties, we get injustice all the time here. Where a majority is not represented.

In this case, Federally, it went way further it seems. I guess riding adjustments weren't enough in the Federal department, and no time to split the opposition vote up. If not directly the party members, then directly a huge powerful group that prospered this government, and had lots of resources to work across the country.

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SO..... Isn't the blame for confusion and diversion from voting as much or more the fault of the people who so easily allowed themselves to be manipulated?

Wow. OK this is something I am going to deal with wherever I find it rearing its head.

I've waded through countless posts, some very vile, of people laughing at the poor trusting sheeple who are going to get what they deserve for being so vulnerable and niave. Blaming the victim, on all the stuff that will hit the fan shortly.

Well, the whole thing is, people have the right to live trusting, caring, lives, and not lock their doors at night, good relations with neighbors. Its part of the goodness and light in people to be good and not see the boogie man around every corner.

I'm tired of that argument altogether.

The one pulling off the crime is the criminal. The victim is not deserving by being normal, loving and trusting. Those are VIRTUES.

But do we have leaders yet for the Liberals, and the NDP? Or are they still "interim" leaders?
Is Bob Rae "it" for the Liberals?
I wonder how knowledgeable he is on economics?

If we were able to call for a new election, I love how fast we can change our PM.
Less than 6 weeks from election call to a new Prime Minister.

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Its all a mess, right now. I wonder if its by design.

The thing is, we don't do electronic votes like the US does, we do it on paper, so its harder to scam, or cheat the system.

Apparently they found a way.

They pulled off their majority, in the most odd way, by taking us back to the voting polls twice, never done in my lifetime before. Obviously raised the suspicions of many.

They got their majority by the skin of their teeth, so this obviously means the results were skewed.

But I think they need to prove the link to this government, because these people shouldn't even be on the ballots next time, they should be behind bars.

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True....and I note that the people pushing under handed efforts like this are by no means off the hook.

Victim's being blamed for being victims is a terrible thing to see....unless the 'crime' involved is one of pure misplaced trust and poor judgement in who to listen to and follow advice from. I mean, it's an election. Everyone involved has an axe to grind and an agenda to push.

I don't believe I'd take directions about where or how to vote from the President himself (ANY President..lol.. ) So why would anyone else?


Now there is a BIG question here..and perhaps I totally misunderstand Canada for this point. In America, the polling places where I have lived tend to be in the same place every year. If it changes, the updated information is at the .gov site for the election board or whatever controls that for my area. Why would anyone not look there as a quick check before going out the door to vote? So... Is Canada different in how polling places are located and how often that changes?

I dont understand why there isnt more stink being made about this! I know in toronto it didn't make front page news, possibly because there was the first officer charged with 2nd degree murder (while on duty). Anyone have information on what steps are being taken to investigate this. Or did the company that does robocalls do it by their own hand. They also claim that they are paid to make the calls and dont actually know the content being said in the calls - Heard that on the CBC (radio) the other day.

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I've only lived in my area for a couple of years, but the two elections that took place did have me voting in the same location. It's funny, there is always a picture of queen victoria slapped to the wall wherever I've voted, with some flowers under it like an altar lol- always found it a bit strange. Any other Canadians see pictures of the Queen at your polling station?

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Now there is a BIG question here..and perhaps I totally misunderstand Canada for this point. In America, the polling places where I have lived tend to be in the same place every year. If it changes, the updated information is at the .gov site for the election board or whatever controls that for my area. Why would anyone not look there as a quick check before going out the door to vote? So... Is Canada different in how polling places are located and how often that changes?

No they don't actually. Some change. Also if you move from one region to another, you wouldn't even know which schools, and they usually use schools, also the community centers, is hosting what. You depend on a voting card. If you get something in the mail telling you to go somewhere else, and you've arranged a break from work, and or/school, or talk it over with another perhaps, this would limit your ability to get out.

Also from the point of view of the elderly, or many who rely on public transportation or fixed incomes, I can see this being a real nightmare for many, and as a single mother, I side with the poor the most. You don't have the leeway.

He got in with a small minority government, after pulling some weird stunts, calling 2 strangely suspicious elections. That was very odd. So this is really big.

Also, due to it being across the country, it took a very top level deception, a power structure to carry this off.

And, obviously pro current government.

So this really sullies them and there is no way, they should be in office, at all.

The Fiberals can thank Iggy for losing so many seats.

The fibs will use any excuse they can.

reply to post by Unity_99

Well I certainly appreciate the local perspective and filling in of the details for what we see in the news and headlines on it. I'm not nearly as informed of Canadian politics as I probably ought to be given that you're our direct neighbors. This does help clarify a bit of what is going on up there.

Originally posted by TFCJay
The Fiberals can thank Iggy for losing so many seats.
The fibs will use any excuse they can.

As a party member who did not feel them worthy of my vote last election, I would say that it was not so much Iggy, but the vicious round of infighting that elevated him to candidacy. If they had paid more attention to fighting the Reforma-Tories than they did to battling each other then we would not be dealing with the antics of Steve.

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Have you never heard of "controlled opposition" ?
bilderberger harper needed all the help he could get..
so they picked a stooge to take a dive.
(Somewhat like Joe who, when it was the liberals turn to be installed.)

and PS
some might construe that to support voter fraud which elects a globalist who wants very badly to destroy canada might be considered...supporting traitorism....

Rae is a socialist whacko that screwed up OntariOWE so badly he was resoundingly trounced from office in the next election.
As for robo dialers, anyone paying heed to anyone phoning them about a vote or anything else for that matter, needs their head examined thoroughly.