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And Tif..no offense...but you are just another European that seem to have a wildly different opinion of race relations than most in the United States do.
I just think you have a different understanding of race relations...you probably don't have family or friends that went through the civil rights era...and you may not realize that there are still unique struggles that minorities go through in the United States.
If you listen to people from the US on ATS...no...you wouldn't know this either...because a lot of ATSers think "whites" are the current day "victims"...even though every statistic proves that wrong.
im sorry , but as a european do you feel qualified to speak on race relations in america? Because it surely seems as though you're not trying to learn anything.
For instance, i can only guess the race relations from what I hear and read. You say everyone respects each other there
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
reply to post by martianmallow
I was around during the 60's and remember segregated bathrooms, water fountains, school integration - all that stuff. The US has come a long, long ways since then. I hate to see people of any color pushing separatism in any form.
I just wish everyone could be happy to call themselves "Americans" and not having to add some type of racial/geographic prefix.
You are completely ignoring the fact that for over 200 years that minorities weren't welcomed to call themselves "Americans". But now it makes you uncomfortable, so you want them to ignore hundreds of years of mis-treatment and just do as they are told.
You lived the segregation...so that means so did many living black people. And you want them to just "forget about it" and move along huh?
But I do know, and supported by this thread, that it is drastically different in Eurpoe than it is in USA. It seems that the wounds are still fresh in the USA.
I think it has to do with the fact that the America has always claimed to be "land of the free" and where "all men are created equal"...but that has very rarely been the case. It has only been about 50 years...a little over a generation...where there have been legislated "equal rights". For anyone to believe that we are 100% equal now is a bit naive.
You can't undo 200+ years of systematically oppression with 50 years of legislative forced acceptance. There are deep inequalities due to the past oppression. No black person's family had the opportunity to participate in the American land grabs, no black person's family had the opportunity to participate in gold rushes, no black person's family had the opportunity to set up long standing financial institutions that still stand today, no black person's family had th opportunity to prosper during the industrial revolution and create companies that still stand today. No black person's family has had the opportunity to create family dynasties that have large control over the country still to this day.
For anyone to claim that things are now completely "equal" because blacks can now vote and can't be told they aren't going to be hired because of the color of thier skin...is being totally dishonest and ignoring an uncomfortable history.
Which is why when I see white people getting upset over blacks or other minorities uniting together and wanting to help each other out...I see that as racism because it appears they are upset that minorities may just rise to the level of success that has traditionally only been enjoyed by whites in this country.
Racism in America is not dead at all...I'd say it is as widespread today as it ever has been...it is just more hidden in today's society.
My people keep themselves down.
But I also think that change also has to happen within the groups that complain about racism.
I just don't agree with the sort of unity that is being portrayed. People should embrace unity for all, not between groups. And that effort has to come from both sides.