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reply to post by seedofchucky
Basically cherry picking again , and choosing the easier side . Which is getting free passes under the "grace" of god rationilzing . People can do this because bible contradicts it self 1000 times over , so they have no choice but to cherry pick what they want. and disgard what they dont' like. I can't understand how some of these christians are so lost , see the contradictions , but still smile and say i love jesus . nothing short of a cult.
Why don't you stop blowing smoke up ppl's butts? You're not interested in real debate, you spam videos that has all the logic of a third grader
You don't know squat. You're just like the other "person" I addressed here, throwing crap at the wall seeing what sticks for #s & giggles. ANYONE can throw crap at the wall.
I would debate you, but you're not interested in answers, you're interested in trolling.
There is NO context associated with these verses. NO attempt to show the whole chapter to see these verses in their context, No interest in learning the history about the time period concerning the situation of this context, and NO mention of judgment ALREADY being applied here
If you want answers click on the link I gave, as for myself I think I've done my fair share in being patient with ppl who have nothing better to do than sling S#$% around.
The only thing you are doing is making yourselves look like 3rd graders with these "proofs".
Are you trying to convince me or yourself?
There is no cherry picking....it is law. Look around...natural laws surround you and who needs to cherry pick? I don't and have never claimed any book 100 accurate. You took something I liked and ran with it. You assume wrong.
Cults are everywhere...its life.
Man has always been selfish and greedy....yet some of us seek enlightenment and Jesus words are one to follow just as any other "good" man out here
The bible is just a book I understand and connect with. If you don't then ok...not for you..move along
You have a chip on your shoulder...its ok. I understand
Instead of harping the same words and getting nowhere and I mean nowhere as far as a debate or one gathering information without any regard to learning just move along. Your energy can be directed towards something you enjoy and understand
The Bible ~ I understand
The Christian~ I understand
The Koran~ Don't understand
The Muslim~ I understand
The Atheist~ I understand
The Gnostic~ I understand
But the thing is...people need other people. People need something to believe in. Some need nothing to believe in
The good news is even though you do not understand the Bible or the Christian you can still understand enough to have empathy and compassion for the human being they are
Balance can sometimes be overlooked as a culprit but if there was a world without balance we would tip over and not be able to get back up.
If you want to be a teacher then try doing it in a manner that does not offend
You say "it' will set you free... have you been set free already? IF so, why are you here on a religious thread looking for answers from people you don't trust?
Instead of looking on websites for things that show you the contradictions and lies within the bible, why don't you read it yourself... and see IF what they've shown you actually is "truth"
There was a time i was exactly like you... i saw religion as lies and conspiracy...
and though i've refused to accept a label... i do see the good in religion
Though i actually had to study to find the truth... and not just the bible.
Instead of accusing people of not seeing the lies, why don't you try to be on their level and attempt to see what others see...
Without those websites showing the contradictions, you would have never known about them... unless you've studied the material
and those sites are handy tools, but theres more to religious scripture then whats on those sites my friend
reply to post by seedofchucky
We have already tipped , i'm not sure what rock your living under . But if you consider anything balanced in this world , i have a yacht to sell ya.
me free? of course not . i have many bars infront of me i can't see. But just because i can't see them, doesnt make me free.
secondly , did i clearly not say a wise man once said ? now "it" do you know if the truth is a he ? or she ? or they? or it ?
the same as yours of course , cherry pick a little of every religion , and make my own version of "core beliefs" . Then when someone tries to critize me , they can't because i don't belong to one religion , but something i made up , that brings together all the religions . into a pretty little picture.
I am reading it for my self , like i mentioned to the other poster who gave me the links , I even asked if he had read some of the sugar coated excuses given . Did you miss that part ? Of course not . I forget who you are , your highness forgive me
i don't see religion as lies and conspiracy , i see the interpertation of them and misinterpertation of them the problem. the "conspiracy" is little when you sugar coat verses that clearly contradict . The blind follow the religious leaders , who "guide" them. The masses eat it up . This is hardly a conspiracy , or religious , just a political indoctrination using religion as its guise.
i know why you refuse to accept the label , because you know religion has been so tainted from time that you can't recognize it anymore . When you label your self with the outdated idelogies , you open your self to ridicule . So you rather not label , and hide in the shadows . I don't blame ya .
What truth did you find reluctant messenger? please share with us . Tell us about the hybrid of religious scripture texts, ideologies philosphies you put together into a brew and call it truth ?
the sugarcoated excuses? the 1000's of contradictions ? the lies in the bible ? the terrible way jesus and god are dealt with in the bible ?
you mean roll over accept and be quite ? no thnx.
I ask you again what is the role of jesus ? Could you paint your picture of jesus for me please.?
Exactly so HELP in the cause instead of creating more confusion and hate. Did you miss the memo by Jesus? I think so
Instead maybe try to teach the OP why it is the way it is with compassion for the human being you see as "Christian".
I think you can think of a number of people who call themselves "Christians" who more or less just follow without investigation. Its their right and they are happy. No skin off your back.
they see true in all instances and have justified the contradictions
I could go on and on but the OP came to you asking each person for understanding. All you have done is butt in repeatedly causing strife instead of adding value to an already "touchy" subject
Jesus to them is the messiah. He is the son of god that has prepared a place in heaven for all of those that "believe in him".
Have you ever heard an account of someone dying and seeing Buddha? I haven't
Jesus said we all have the ability to heal. Other prophets said this as well
There is no doubt in my mind the Bible is an awesome tool but God shows just how corrupted Man can be with instructions. The Bible is proof. Man failed once again.
I cannot honestly say that if one does not believe in Jesus that he goes anywhere.... thats just what the "Christian" thinks
It is my opinion that all Religion is something Jesus himself looked down upon.
but seriously I think the veil is lifted when we have access to more of our DNA and our senses are not so limited. Evolution if you will
Yes, you and my pastor are very adamant about this "God breathed" Pauline Doctrine. If people ACTUALLY believe that Jesus is the son of God, that Jesus IS The Truth, that his words shall not come back to him void but shall accomplish it's purpose, if you believe at all that Jesus spoke the truth, then PLEASE stop trying to stick our heads in the sand by trying to REFUTE His teachings!
Originally posted by micmerci
Originally posted by Whatifitdidhappen
i have a question to the christians responding to the thread.
What do these verses mean to you:
Matthew 5:17-Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Matthew 5:19-Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.edit on 25-2-2012 by Whatifitdidhappen because: (no reason given)
What these verses mean to me are- 1. As I posted earlier, Jesus did fulfill the Law and now the church is under grace. 2. Jesus was demonstrating how impossible it was for us to be perfect within the Law thus showing the need for a Savior. Another verse in this chapter states that our adherence to the Law needed to exceed that of the Pharisees in order to be righteous. The Pharisees were known at the time to be the strictest adherents to the Law so exceeding them is basically impossible. Basically Jesus took on our sin so that we could become righteous through Him.
One quesiton... Why the hostility?
I asked what is YOUR truth, not mine...
I don't believe you understand what cherry picking is... IF you take a single verse and make it mean something totally unrelated to the rest of the text... THAT is cherry picking. I do not cherry pick...
I do choose to accept certian things from certian books, but i don't accept them on the basis of one piece of scripture
You're forgiven... but again, whats with this "suger coated" this and that... stuff, and whats with the attitude?
IF you don't agree with someone, thats fine... but whats the point of mocking them?
See what i mean
Im not disagreeing with you, but why do you care?
Though some ideologies are not outdated, nor will they ever be...
This is not about me... Nor is this my thread...
Seriously, change the record man... I did't say roll over and accept anything. Believe whatever you like... I didn't say run out and join your local church either... Im trying to tell you there is more then lies and contradictions in the bible
His mission while being a suicide mission, was to show the world the existance of life after death... that is why he said "i must go, because if i don't go the comforter will never come"...
I believe he also traveled to india, and was taught, and taught himself... by many spiritual leaders such as the buddha..
He was a man that knew where he came from, and where he was going... Gods son, just like you or me... but fully realized. Perfected...
hehe because your a wolf in sheeps clothing. You pretend to be something your not , with a web of biblical verses , while dismissing others. Its not so much hostility as it is , dealing with the fly on the wall who doesnt wanna call him self a fly. but a elephant. who has a flies eyes
you didn't like my sugar coated answer ? it is similar to yours reluctant messenger. Cherry picked scripture , various religions and science put into one neat little package. ?
You do cherry pick. You believe some verses are correct while others are not and you admit their are contradictions, but not with the verses you hold dear.
i assure you if i wanted to mock , i would get serval violations on ATS . sugar coated is extactly what is done.
take a verse , see the contradiction and glaze it with some reasoning of your own to make it sound better , so it doesn't seem so bad. You agree contradictions in bible no ?
now others who say their are no contradictions and bring there excuses for the verse contradicting , is nothing short of sugar coating it . How is that mocking when i am calling a herring a herring?
This thread was why do christians cherry pick? i gave plenty of reasons, sources , videos, opinoins , to back it up . I care because some still try and pass it off as truth. when in fact we both know its not .
i don't believe in a divine source of contradictions and mistakes.
Oh ? but you have no problem asking about my truth ? even though its not my thread ?
De rail when you wanna ask someone else , but when it comes back to you , all of the sudden you care?
the problem with more then lies and contadictions in the bible is that you don't know what is truth or not . Your cherry picking what you feel is correct.
I can't do that. To many variables and factors involved in that. I'll read the bible as a fairy tale nothing more.
he didn't show the world existance of life after death. He only showed a select few in his time period. I didn't witness him coming back did you ?
all you know is what was written about it . Do you see how silly that notion is ? All you know is a story in a book and what you feel is the truth . He didn't show the world anything , Only a select few , the rest of us have to read a broken book of what "happened"
you see the circular reasoning ?