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Originally posted by Chickensalad
I find it funny(not haha funny) that so many posting, feel that the assault was morally wrong. And the judge seeing it as "ok" is wrong. But, by the same token are expressing that the judge be reprimanded with even more violent acts.
Man , where is the white house on this. How dare a judge enforce Sharia Law in the United States of America.
That's no different than black people being allowed to attack a white person for saying the N word. Or a Mexican being permitted to attack someone against illegal immigration.
"Judge Martin threw the case out on the grounds that Elbayomy was obligated to attack Perce because of his culture and religion. Judge Martin stated that the First Amendment of the Constitution does not permit people to provoke other people."
Judge Mark Martin said there wasn't enough evidence to convict Talaag Elbayomy of harrassment. Although there was grainy video of the incident, it was ruled inadmissible, leaving the case one man's word against another's, the judge said.
Here in our society, we have a Constitution that gives us many rights, specifically First Amendment rights. It’s unfortunate that some people use the First Amendment to deliberately provoke others. I don’t think that’s what our forefathers intended. I think our forefathers intended to use the First Amendment so we can speak with our mind, not to piss off other people and cultures – which is what you did.
Mate, its handbags, we've both seen worse worse on a Friday night lol...remember the charge was harrassment not assault. British Police would've laughed and sent em on their way.
Now, the muslim fella is an idiot for getting vexed but, is free speech simply the licence to insult?
Poll of UK Muslims
• 68% believe that people who insult Islam should be arrested and prosecuted.
• 62% believe that freedom of speech should not be allowed if it insults Islam.
Just saying as I see it fella.
I really do not like how you trivialize the incident
We both agree about violence although it will be noted that you didnt answer the question.
Even a bar brawl on a Friday night should be seriously investigated, if charges are pressed. And this was no stupid bar brawl, but a religiously motivated harrasment aimed to restrict freedom of expression.
So in your view, freedom of speech is a Right without a responsibillity...all incitement is free speech...Interesting.
We all know that in Britain, freedom of speech nowadays is more of a lip service, which may not apply for example when you hurt someones feelings. Luckily, not in America.
Aye, still wondering why the media didnt report all the fellas speech though, its almost as if there is some kind of agenda .
Anyway, if the charges were sincerely thrown out due to lack of evidence, then I guess the ruling is technically good
The United Nations General Assembly adopted - for the fourth straight year (2009) - a resolution prepared by the 57-nation Organization of the Islamic Conference calling upon all UN nations to adopt legislation banning the "defamation" of religion.
NY Daily News
Not really relevant Ollin as the Judge is framing his thoughts in terms of the US Constitution not the koran.
If the judge is a Muslim convert, he is reflecting the views of many Muslims who believe that people should not be allowed to insult
• Muhammad authorised the murder of a number of poets (male & female) who had mocked him. One poet was a mother sleeping with her young children. The Muslim assassin had to move a child aside before thrusting his dagger into her chest. Another victim was a male poet who was, according to Muslim sources, over 100 years old. Mohammed then absolved the Islamic murderers of any wrong doing.
• He was also an accomplished caravan raider who had the propensity to execute prisoners who had been political opponents in the past. One such man had fallen foul of Muhammad when Muhammad was in his early days due to being a better story teller than Muhammad,. "Who will look after my young daughter?" cried the man, moments before he was executed. Muhammad then cursed him.
The Life of Muhammad (768 AD) by Ibn Ishaq