Penn Judge: Muslims Allowed to Attack People for Insulting Mohammad

See folks, separation of church and state is a good thing

What...you think its your religion the state will push..prayer in school? pfft. sure, and everyone gets handed a verse of (name your opposing religion here).

The Judges speech was fine...sure...verbally slap this "atheist" moron for doing something like that...but lock up the perp for assult. Freedom of speech...even when the speech is little more than moronic presentations by the town idiot.


The victim in question should be offered the same rights

As these idiots.

The source article is an opinion piece from a yahoo user, nothing more than a blog post. From an actual news source:

The Harrisburg Patriot-News reports that Cumberland County Magisterial District Judge Mark Martin said there wasn't enough evidence to convict Talaag Elbayomy of harrassment. Although there was grainy video of the incident, it was ruled inadmissible, leaving the case one man's word against another's, the judge said.

Look into the facts, folks. Deny ignorance.

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They are doing this on purpose. They want muslims and christians to hate each other,

Theres a reason they are stirring this stuff up! Its all about to HTF
we are going to war with iran mother#ers

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My apologies, I merely copied the title of the the articles I was referencing. Sorry if it appears misleading to you. Im finding that theres been some sensationalism put itno the original article. And Ill admit, I bought into it. But, since post the OP and engaging in the thread itself, its become clear that most info on this story was left out in the Yahoo article on purpose. Such as the fact that the Judge wasnt' actually muslim. since there are no court transcripts, they went by what they "thought" he said.

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My point is, you cannot keep complaining that you live in the US and will not be subject to Muslim religious laws ALL WHILE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO MAKE ME ADHERE TO CHRISTIAN ONES and expect to get sympathy when this # happens.

You are missing the MAIN POINT that what you label "Christian laws" have been passed by our legislatures. Are laws against murder, theft and assault "Christian laws"? A perceived cultural obligation should supersede legislation by our elected bodies in Government?

"Judge Mark Martin threw out a grainy video of the attack and explained that there wasn’t enough evidence to convict Elbayomy of the harassment charge."

OP: You're an idiot

This has nothing to do with him being a Muslim.

This has everything to do with NO EVIDENCE.

Some grainy cell phone video where you can't ID anyone isn't sufficient evidence to convict someone accused of harassment.

I must say this is not right what this judge has done , giving people the right to comit a crime , is what it boiles down to !! This judge should be stripped of his job , title and held in another court on criminal charges !!! I for one do not care what you say about my GOD , he is who he is , maker of heaven and earth and he alone has the right to give and take away life , him only !!! Words have the ability to give good and bad thoughts to those around us , so watch what you say !!! A judge giving anyone the right to harm another person for something said is just wrong and can and will not be tolerated , this is how wars have been started !!! Don`t get me wrong I for one will not back down from my belifes and everyone has their own opinion , that I have no problem with !!! But if you are going to harm someone for their opinion and I see it , be warned , the gaurdians of the faith never back down to anyone who harms the weak , poor or disabled !! I do not invoke violance , but will defend the defenceless !!!! Enough said , someone in the law offices up in PA shout hold the judge accountable for the wrong he is doing !!!

Originally posted by gopher mines
"Judge Mark Martin threw out a grainy video of the attack and explained that there wasn’t enough evidence to convict Elbayomy of the harassment charge."

OP: You're an idiot

This has nothing to do with him being a Muslim.

This has everything to do with NO EVIDENCE.

Some grainy cell phone video where you can't ID anyone isn't sufficient evidence to convict someone accused of harassment.

It's funny that this gets lost in the flood of posts calling for the judge to be fired, etc. Not really as funny as it is sad. DENY IGNORANCE! People, please check sources, and then find new ones, and compare - it's critical thinking. Do it.

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I guess we should ignore that the defendant admitted grabbing the plantiff because he thought depicting Muhammad was a crime. Also by calling the defendant a 'doofus' it would seem the judge felt the assault was justified due to the defendants ignorance.

There is little doubt an asault took place.

More proof of idiots everywhere. This is an example of free speech. I dont side with the atheist guy but i have to sat he was showing his freedom here in America. If muslims have problems they can always ignore it or get the hell out of this country. I'm so tired of the whining from all sides here people are free to say or do things that might offend other people. Grow up or get out.

The judge should be disbarred if anything. He is obviously letting his religious beliefs influence his rulings.

Well im an athiest, and my god is no god, and if you say that there is a god, your insulting my beliefs and therefor i am allowed to hurt you as well.

Sounds just as stupid doesnt it.

Good for that Muslim! He showed that horrible American that you can't mess with Islam! What that man did was culturally insensitive! Those poor Muslims never did anything wrong to us, why would he do something so stupid? Good on the judge for protecting that poor Muslim. He was most likely provoked by the "victim" in to attacking him. That judge deserves recognition for this! We need to let it be shown that bowing down to Islam helping Muslims get off the hook being unabashedly biased doing the right thing to further world peace will be rewarded!


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Wait...when did athiest become a religion? And when did it become a belief? Isn't the whole thing about being an athiest is that you DON'T believe in anything? I'm just confused here, hoping you can clear this up.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
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This is just disgusting. It also claims that this judge is a muslim convert. looks like creeping sharia law and clear conflict of interest.

What about judges who are Christians or other religions? Wouldn't that be a conflict of interest too?

Only if they decide to ignore established Domestic law and instead use religious doctrine in its place.

There is a reason the symbol of our justice system is a blindfolded individual holding the scales.

I didn't get a chance to read through all of the thread, but just wanted to chime in on this. I heard this story the other morning on a morning radio show and it just blew my mind. This is clearly an example of creeping sharia law in the USA. That, my friends, is just showing you where our country could be headed if we don't stand up for the laws OUR country was built on. This judge needs to be fired by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. It's as simple as that. When you are elected as district judge, you are responsible for upholding the laws of the State and the US Constitution. When you abuse that power and use it to enforce your own ideology, then you should be fired. Heck, if a judge from VA was fired for flipping a coin to decide a case, I'm sure this judge can be fired for plain and simple racism, and on the bench no less. It's not like he viewed his ideas outside of the courtroom, he actually made his decision based on laws that don't exist in our judicial system. This is sickening and all of you should be worried where this could head. As soon as we started apologizing for being the best country in the world, all of these sympathies started to creep out and are becoming more mainstream everyday. I blame the MSM, the ACLU, Obama, and all the other socialists in this country, including probably 90% of college professors for planting this crap in people's heads. And it's only going to get worse, folks.

So now the so-called "religion of peace" apparently lets you physically attack people who aren't Muslim. Kind of ironic if you ask me.

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The victim recorded his court room encounter. The Judge has since threatened to hold him in contempt of court for posting this to the internet.







Partial Transcript

Well, having had the benefit of having spent over two-and-a-half years in a predominantly Muslim country, I think I know a little bit about the faith of Islam. In fact, I have a copy of the Koran here, and I would challenge you, sir, to show me where it says in the Koran that Mohammed arose and walked among the dead.

[Unintelligible.] You misinterpreted things. Before you start mocking someone else’s religion you may want to find out a little bit more about it. That makes you look like a doofus.

And Mr. Thomas [Elbayomi's defense lawyer] is correct. In many other Muslim speaking countries – excuse me, in many Arabic speaking countries – call it “Muslim” – something like this is definitely against the law there. In their society, in fact, it could be punishable by death, and it frequently is, in their society.

Here in our society, we have a constitution that gives us many rights, specifically, First Amendment rights. It’s unfortunate that some people use the First Amendment to deliberately provoke others. I don’t think that’s what our forefathers really intended. I think our forefathers intended that we use the First Amendment so that we can speak our mind, not to piss off other people and other cultures, which is what you did.

I don’t think you’re aware, sir, there’s a big difference between how Americans practice Christianity – uh, I understand you’re an atheist. But, see, Islam is not just a religion, it’s their culture, their culture. It’s their very essence, their very being. They pray five times a day towards Mecca. To be a good Muslim, before you die, you have to make a pilgrimage to Mecca unless you are otherwise told you cannot because you are too ill, too elderly, whatever. But you must make the attempt.

Their greetings, “Salaam alaikum,” “Alaikum wa-salaam,” “May God be with you.” Whenever — it is very common — their language, when they’re speaking to each other, it’s very common for them to say, uh, “Allah willing, this will happen.” It is — they are so immersed in it.

Then what you have done is you’ve completely trashed their essence, their being. They find it very, very, very offensive. I’m a Muslim, I find it offensive. F’Im a Muslim, I’d find it offensive. [Unintelligble] aside was very offensive.

But you have that right, but you’re way outside your bounds on First Amendment rights.

This is what — as I said, I spent half my years altogether living in other countries. When we go to other countries, it’s not uncommon for people to refer to us as “ugly Americans.” This is why we are referred to as “ugly Americans,” because we’re so concerned about our own rights we don’t care about other people’s rights. As long as we get our say, but we don’t care about the other people’s say.

All that aside I’ve got here basically — I don’t want to say, “He said, she said.” But I’ve got two sides of the story that are in conflict with each other. I understand — I’ve been at a Halloween parade, I understand how noisy it can be, how difficult it can be to get a [unintelligible]. I can’t believe that, if there was this kind of conflict going on in the middle of the street, that somebody didn’t step forward sooner to try and intervene — that the police officer on a bicycle didn’t stop and say, “Hey, let’s break this up.”

[Unintelligible]. You got a witness.

[Unintelligible response. Judge Martin then continues:]

The preponderance of, excuse me, the burden of proof is that the defendant — it must be proven that the defendant did with the intent to harass, annoy or alarm another person — The Commonwealth, whether there was conflict or not — and, yes, he should be took [sic] putting his hands on you. I don’t know — I have your story he did and his story that he did not.

But another part of the element [of the offense charged] is, as Mr. Thomas [the defense lawyer] said, was — “Was the defendant’s intent to harass, annoy or alarm — or was it his intent to try to have the offensive situation negated?”

If his intent was to harass, annoy or alarm, I think there would have been a little bit more of an altercation. Something more substantial as far as testimony going on that there was a conflict. Because there is not, it is not proven to me beyond a reasonable doubt that this defendant is guilty of harassment. Therefore I am going to dismiss the charge.

The facts dont support the judges decision. The suspect changed his story in court and the attorney pointed that out. What worse in my opinion is the judge lecturing the victim, explaining Islam while not doing anything to correct the suspects views on our laws.

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Assault is Assault. That Muslim should be charge on assault. I would go to jail if I attack the people I dislike the most, those Animal Rights weirdos that want to take my pets away, rights of what to eat and all rights to interact with animals. That judge sounds like a danger and he should get fire. The few extremists living in the area going to see it is ok to attack and would start attacking others and get away from it. The extremists might start attacking women and the judge is going to be ok with it. As an feminist, I don't want those extremists to pass Sharia Law in the US.

he shouldn't be killed, even if thats what our law calls for when treason is committed. this is treason to the constitution. i'd make him pay a big fine and him lose his position as a judge forever. no need for blood shed or locking someone non violent in jail

this video is apropos

Just watch and learn.