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Topic started on 25-2-2012 @ 09:59 AM by purplemer

What if you are only allowed to vote because it doesn't make a difference? What if no matter how you vote, the elites get to have it their way? What if "one person, one vote" is just a fiction created by the government to induce your compliance? What if democracy is dangerous to personal freedom? What if democracy erodes the people's understanding of natural rights and the foundations of government, and instead turns elections into beauty contests?


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I gave up voting some year back. Why because I started getting the feeling it did not matter who you voted for.. The end result was always the same.

In the UK opposition to the Iraq war was immense. Huge marches occurred in London. Did the government listen to the people. No chance. Both main parties were in agreement and the war happened. So much for democracy.

I also often wonder why the same type of laws seem to be passed worldwide. As if a hidden hand has choosen to have them implemented and puppet governments follow suit.

Democracy I think is dead. It has been taken over by large banks. Once I thought things like shadow governments and the Illuminati were conspiracies. Now I see them more in the remit of fact and the pyramid below not being too far from the truth.




reply posted on 25-2-2012 @ 10:21 AM by cconn487
Democracy is the ideal that all the citizens of a nation determine together the laws or actions of their state, requiring that all citizens have an equal opportunity to express their consent and their will.

The United States hasn't been a democracy in years. I don't agree with those countries governments for killing their people, but I do support their will to not bow down and accept a governmental system that pillages and rules its citizens.

The two party system is a system where nothing really gets done. Yeah lets split congress in half so we can have stalemates all the time instead of getting stuff done. Thats a great plan!

Voting is a sham. The media is in the back pockets of someone. Whether you like Ron Paul or not, there is an intentional media blackout. They will mention three of the candidates in every political piece, and act like Ron Paul isn't even running. Its just not right how people are being led on who to vote. Out of sight, out of mind I guess. Problem is people buy this whole free election thing, and America's choice for President. Its not a choice when potential choices are not even mentioned or covered.

Its not Democracy when people don't have a say in Government. All these state representatives we vote for get bought out and do the bidding of whoever is signing the checks. The sad part is we continue to let them do it.

Did people vote for the creation of the consumer bureau? The organization that is going to need funding and results probably will have little impact on anything. Guess who gets to fund it? Oh yeah us. Democracy doesn't exist in the United States of America anymore. Whoever has the money runs the country.

Follow the money.


reply posted on 25-2-2012 @ 10:32 AM by GD21D
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Than you. I would've thought that more people through research would come to understand the philosophy of a democracy is not that great. It never ceases to amaze me how many are under a democratic daze.

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reply posted on 25-2-2012 @ 12:15 PM by purplemer
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I think the principles of democracy where set up with the best of intentions. But instead of the democratic system improving it got hijacked by power are greed. I guess that is the same for a lot of things like religion for example. Now western nations are run by banks and corporations..

Image below is fitting.




reply posted on 25-2-2012 @ 03:16 PM by purplemer
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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch


kudos...well put....


reply posted on 25-2-2012 @ 03:27 PM by ANOK
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We have representative democracy that imo is not democracy at all. You are given a choice of candidates chosen for you. Once in power we have no say on what they do, we have to simply put our trust in them. Of course this system can be easily manipulated.

Real democracy is direct-democracy.

Unlike the current “Representative Democracy” where elected representatives make decisions regardless of the wishes of their constituencies, in Direct Democracy individuals vote on critical issues and their decisions are carried out by their elected representatives… Whether they like it or not...

www.directdemocracynow.org...


reply posted on 25-2-2012 @ 03:35 PM by LeSigh
Originally posted by ANOK
reply to post by purplemer


We have representative democracy that imo is not democracy at all. You are given a choice of candidates chosen for you. Once in power we have no say on what they do, we have to simply put our trust in them. Of course this system can be easily manipulated.

Real democracy is direct-democracy.

Unlike the current “Representative Democracy” where elected representatives make decisions regardless of the wishes of their constituencies, in Direct Democracy individuals vote on critical issues and their decisions are carried out by their elected representatives… Whether they like it or not...

www.directdemocracynow.org...


^Exactly. A true, direct democracy is a terrible thing to contemplate. I was just about to post something quite similar, but am glad I read your post first. Thanks!



reply posted on 26-2-2012 @ 09:44 AM by eboyd
Originally posted by LeSigh
Originally posted by ANOK
reply to post by purplemer


We have representative democracy that imo is not democracy at all. You are given a choice of candidates chosen for you. Once in power we have no say on what they do, we have to simply put our trust in them. Of course this system can be easily manipulated.

Real democracy is direct-democracy.

Unlike the current “Representative Democracy” where elected representatives make decisions regardless of the wishes of their constituencies, in Direct Democracy individuals vote on critical issues and their decisions are carried out by their elected representatives… Whether they like it or not...

www.directdemocracynow.org...


^Exactly. A true, direct democracy is a terrible thing to contemplate. I was just about to post something quite similar, but am glad I read your post first. Thanks!


what?? no, he was advocating direct democracy, not condemning it.

as for the Franklin quote someone else posted, his comparison is false. it assumes that the majority would be the wolves, which plainly isn't the case most of the time. in most cases the predator comes in the form of the elite, which is a minority. however, there are some cases, such as an assumed guilty child predator, in which the minority are the sheep and the majority are the wolves. this is why most advocates of democracy, such as myself, are also advocates of consensus decision making. this involves all opinions being heard until the discussion comes to some sort of compromise. if a compromise is not reached in an allotted period, then the decision is referred to a vote, but again, all opinions have been heard and so now people will be able to make a more unbiased judgment. this is far superior to the current system where only certain individuals have a say and, in many cases, those individuals have a certain bias, hence the reason that corporations get away with so much today: they have the decision makers in their pocket.

true, direct democracy can be defined as nothing other than freedom; it is in fact the essence of freedom.


reply posted on 27-2-2012 @ 01:58 PM by ANOK
Some folks here just do not give people enough credit. You are too wrapped up in your own desires and needs.
If we keep ignoring society as a whole society will fail. Without the collective organization of the people we will always be exploited.



Direct democracy is one step towards empowering all of us. Of course the right wants to maintain the over competitiveness that divides us, because they believe individuals are more important than the whole. It's that thinking that leads to dictatorships. One person having ultimate authority over the state system, and giving authority to whom they choose. In America we have a dictatorship of the unaccountable wealthy tiny minority.


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