Originally posted by captainpudding
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes
You mean people who have no legal right to see a persons private information have been denied access to it? Why do birthers always seem so surprised
when the laws of the United States of America are upheld? If I walked into a government building and asked to see YOUR birth certificate and/or YOUR
social security number do you think I should be allowed to? Also, for ever person saying the pdf is fake there's the same number of people
explaining why they're wrong in their conclusions and since it's not the real birth certificate, it's just a digital representation, it's an
exercise in futility anyways. Instead of trying to prove he wasn't born in the USA, they should really focus their efforts on proving he was born
No, people that do have a legal right have been denied. At least one other candidate filed a case. ANY candidate is supposed to be properly vetted,
and that includes verification of eligibility, especially if there is ANY question regarding said eligibility. Do you not recall that the Obama
campaign issued such a court challenge to the McCain campaign, and McCain MET that challenge, in court, producing his documentation? The same sort of
documentation that Obama refuses to show in court, he demanded of his opposition on 2008. Hypocrisy, anyone? If I were running for president, you
would be, as a citizen, entitled to proof that I was, in fact, eligible. If there was question, i would have no issues going into a courtroom, proper
documents in hand, and proving my case. I would want to do so, to be sure no doubt was cast on my administration, were I to win. Public figures
don't have the same level of privacy as does the average citizen. If this man has nothing to hide, then he should go into a courtroom, and prove,
beyond any doubt, that he has legitimate documents.
As for them being "proven true", that simply isn't the case. There is more than just the layering to cast doubt. The certificate number isn't
what it should be. The typeset is different in places. In some places, it's clear that the background was erased around certain words, as it would
never be on a legitimate certificate. Before assuming this is all nonsense, please do an in depth study of all of the details people have pointed
out, and consider them.
Regarding proof that he was born elsewhere, well, there seems to be some of that as well. His grandmother (the Kenyan one) claims that she witnessed
his birth in Africa. There is more than one video on YouTube of his wife calling him Kenyan. There was, at one point, a birth certificate from
Kenya, though that one is highly disputed, and could easily be faked. it does not seem to have been properly researched, in any case, so it isn't
the best evidence. The witnesses, though? Do we simply assume his grandmother was lying? His wife? How about those in Hawaii that stated there
were no records for him there? Those that stated they knew the family, and didn't remember a baby being in that household at the time he would have
been? The fact that he's fought so hard to NOT produce said documents in court says something, too. He said himself (and you can see that on
video), "The only people who don't want to disclose the truth, are people with something to hide." Those are Obama's own words. So, what is he
hiding, since he won't show the documents?
Oh, for the record, the law isn't upheld if he doesn't have the real paperwork, now is it?