Obama's hidden birth certificate now exposed

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posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 12:57 AM
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reply to post by Gemwolf
 


So closing it as a duplicate hoax would have been too easy?
I am not sure posting lies is playing nice to begin with but ATS seems to think that is pretty ok.




posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 01:14 AM
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You're keeping the discussion off-topic. If you have any problems with the moderation of the site or have any suggestions on how to make ATS better, clicky here. Or you can send me a message and we can discuss your issues one on one.

But for now, back on topic. Thank you.



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by timetothink
The Court essentially stated that the status of the parents determines the citizenship of the child. To qualify children for birthright citizenship, based on the 14th Amendment, parents must owe "direct and immediate allegiance" to the U.S. and be "completely subject" to its jurisdiction. In other words, they must be United States citizens. www.14thamendment.us...


What country is not "completely subject" to America's Jurisdiction (and an extention of their will)?

Is Afghanistan totally exempt from America's jurisdiction?
Is Iraq totally exempt from America's jurisdiction?
Is Kuwait totally free from America's jurisdiction?
Is Syria totally free from America's jurisdiction?
Is Oman totally free from America's jurisdiction?
Is Japan totally free from America's jurisdiction? (has not been permitted to have their own military since the end of WWII)
Is Bahrain totally free from America's jurisdiction?
Is Djibouti, Germany, Egypt, Lybia, Syria, Qatar, ........

Where on Earth does America not exert their will and jurisdiction?
Where on Earth can American's not perform military actions within 12 hours?


"Completey subject to America's jurisdiction" ????

Can anyone else name the 8 countries Americans have dropped bombs on in the last year?


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reply to post by Gemwolf
 


lmao... Where on ATS are we not under the jurisdiction of South Africa? (humor)
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posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 08:51 AM
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maybe a better approach:

Soetoro/obama supporters - prove that the current potus does have a bc and is eligible according to:
Article 2 sec1 of the U.S constitution.
14thAmenndment:
www.law.cornell.edu...

we wouldn't be having this argument if the vetters would have done their job.

naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com... inor-v-happersett-as-standing-precedent-on-citizenship-obama-not-eligible/



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 09:11 AM
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Treason is the violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or state, giving aid to enemies, or levying war against one's state. Sedition is encouraging one's fellow citizens to rebel against their state, whereas treason is actually betraying one's country by aiding and abetting another state. Sedition laws somewhat equate to terrorism and public order laws.
en.wikipedia.org...


If President Obama is not legally qualified to be president and the Republicans and Democrats in office in all other branches have not done their jobs correctly then some people have broken some laws and people should start being arrested for breaking such laws. Senator McCain, Sarah Palin, ... well, and everyone else who made the choice of passively not doing their job has failed to adhere to their professional duties and responsibilities.

Every Senator, every representative, every member of the federal government, everyone who took an oath, everyone would be guilty of breaking subversive, seditious, and even aspects of treason laws for having "betrayed one's country by aiding and abetting another state."
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posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 09:22 AM
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It's right there under Section1. In order for a person to be considered under US jurisdiction all that needs to happen is for a person's mother to be a US citizen and have spent at least one year in the country prior to the child's birth. So even if he were born in Kenya he would still be covered by the 14th Amendment as his mother was a US citizen. Unless of course you now want to start a conspiracy that Stanley Ann Dunham was not a US citizen.



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by jibajaba
maybe a better approach:

Soetoro/obama supporters - prove that the current potus does have a bc and is eligible according to:
Article 2 sec1 of the U.S constitution.
14thAmenndment:
www.law.cornell.edu...

we wouldn't be having this argument if the vetters would have done their job.

naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com... inor-v-happersett-as-standing-precedent-on-citizenship-obama-not-eligible/


Sure, here's your proof:

urbanlegends.about.com...

urbanlegends.about.com...

and here is the Georgia judge's ruling:

upmag.net...

And wow, even Fox News thinks the Hawaii birth certificate is real!

www.foxnews.com...

Apparently, no amount of proof is sufficient for the birthers. So, you guys just keep playing with your little false theories, while us grown-ups get on with life.



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by ILikeStars
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Can you name 3 presidents who were not direct descendants of a royal family?


go far enough back and we all have common ancestors - whoopie do.


If that is your arguement then your entire point here is absolutely moot.



Natural-born-citizen clause of the U.S. Constitution

This requirement was an attempt to allay concerns that foreign aristocrats might immigrate to the new nation and use their wealth and influence to impose a monarchy.
en.wikipedia.org...


go far enough back and we have the reason for the "natural born citizen clause of the U.S. Constitution" which is what the entire birther arguement is based upon. When confronted with evidence that 42 of the 43 previous presidents were direct descendants of one King (foreign aristocrats) your rebuttal was and counterpoint was "whoopie do".

So if Obama was not a natural born citizen I guess my logical arguement when reduced to your level should be:

Whoopee do.
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posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 12:38 PM
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Jesus is not qualified to be president of the United States of America.



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posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 12:59 PM
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posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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I have an off the wall question.

What about citizens of U.S. Territories.

Puerto Rico

Guam

American Samoa

U.S. Virgin Islands


And were Philippine citizens eligible when they were a U.S. Territory.

How about Arizona or Alaska or Hawaii (to name only 3) citizens before they were States.

Were they eligible to be POTUS at the time of territory status ?



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 04:15 PM
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To answer your question refer to the wiki entry United States nationality law

Nationals who are not citizens

Although all U.S. citizens are also U.S. nationals, the reverse is not true. As specified in 8 U.S.C. § 1408, a person whose only connection to the U.S. is through birth in an outlying possession (which as of 2005 is limited to American Samoa, Swains Island, and the unincorporated US Minor Outlying Islands), or through descent from a person so born, acquires U.S. nationality but not U.S. citizenship. This was formerly the case in only four other current or former U.S. overseas possessions[27]

Guam (1898–1950) (Citizenship granted by an Act of Congress through the Guam Organic Act of 1950).
the Philippines (1898–1935) (Granted independence in 1946; National status rescinded in 1935; Citizenship never accorded)[28]
Puerto Rico (1898–1917) (Citizenship granted by an Act of Congress through the Jones-Shafroth Act of 1917).
the U.S. Virgin Islands (1917–1927) (Citizenship granted by an Act of Congress in 1927).[29]

The U.S. passport issued to non-citizen nationals contains the endorsement code 9 which states: "THE BEARER IS A UNITED STATES NATIONAL AND NOT A UNITED STATES CITIZEN." on the annotations page.



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 05:03 PM
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posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 05:06 PM
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Hey know what? If anyone wants to know if Barack Obama is the legal President of the United States all they need to do is google who is president. It will tell them right there. Barack Is the President.
Oh sorry, you didnt want to know that did you ?



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 05:07 PM
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Media finally paying attention to Obama eligibility?
www.wnd.com...

How to get Sheriff Joe Arpaio's special report on the investigation into Barack Obama's eligibility
www.wnd.com...



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 05:13 PM
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No didnt you hear, she was less than 19 so she couldnt have given him her citizenship. ( or so someone on there stated early on LOL) If age has anything to do with it then my son who was born on Long Island in 1975 when I was only 17 is not a legal citizen and should now need a green card to work for Nextel.



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 05:15 PM
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Unfortunalty this will fall upon blind eyes and deaf ears. But thanks for the effort.



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 05:18 PM
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Obama is probably genetically engineered, I mean seriously nobody has ever heard of him, he has no history... his birth certificate looks so fake, he just seems like a created person, literally. Look up cell fusion , there are devices out there that are 10k + to manufacture "the cells to clone" im not sure of the scientific terms for it right now, Id have to reference it, but back to the certificate, paper is paper proves nothing, you think the rules or anything for that matter applies to the one who runs the system that has those rules? haha



posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 05:21 PM
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posted on Feb, 29 2012 @ 05:23 PM
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Ok good, thats a productive question and moves the thread forward.





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