Rising gas prices are due to free market forces...

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by BubbaJoe

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by BubbaJoe
All of the so called conservatives will defend this, this is what open markets bring us. For the realists of us out here, some of these speculators should be hung, drawn, and quartered, as a punishment for treason against the state. For the open minded out there, this is what the Republicans want for all markets, no rules, no regulation, and massive profit. Please, please, please, think when you vote, and think about who is going to profit.

What makes you think it's all conservatives speculating in the market? Don't you know that Obama has the biggest share of Wall Streeters behind him? What a foolish kind of thinking you have.

I never said it was conservatives speculating, I said the conservatives supported this free market. Please seek a specialist in remedial reading and comprehension, which I would suggest for all conservatives that watch faux news.

Well, you sure could have fooled me with your post about Republicans and conservatives.

If you are so insistent that I am wrong, please point out where, I stand 100% behind my point. Both parties are gathering contributions, please show me where the republicans/conservatives are clean.

Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by hawkiye
Why oh why can't people get it? It is not a free market when you are forced to do it. It is a monopoly created by GOVERNMENT REGULATION

OK Hawkiye

Lay it down for us here....

Why are corporations and corporate proponents always trying to deregulate the industries they
are in?

I know for a fact that the Oil Industry habitually donates more to candidates who are free market
advocates. Further more George Bush's cabinet was full of Oil insiders and consequently they were
all free market proponents.

So why would Oil companies and insiders be for free markets if you are saying free markets will destroy
their grip on the industry?

It doesn't make a lick of sense to me man.

I think a lot of you are trying to bridge what you like and prefer, to a reality that is not in line with
what you desire.

Did it never occur to you that Oil companies and insiders are NOT FOR FREE MARKETS? They simply use the "Free Market" moniker to get more perks from the politicians they pay off. Did you ever wonder why only a select few ever get these perks and claim it is free market? If it is a free market how come it is next to impossible for me to start up an alternative fuel company due to heavy handed regulation fees and taxes? And you can't understand why they clamor for so called free markets? Its called lying my friend to keep the sheeple fooled and by all indications it still works like a charm.

So they have the energy market all sewed up and now they want more freedom (perks from their lapdog bought and paid for politicians) to do what they want free of any real competition. How is it you can call this a free market when even in your OP you opine about the lack of choice and how we are forced to buy their product and how that is not freedom and then claim that is a free market? That is what does not make a lick of sense my friend.

reply to post by imherejusttoread


Government isn't preventing the development of oil resources.

We have used up all the easy to get high quality crude on our planet, accumulated over millions of years.

The only reason they are developing tar sands is because they are scraping the barrel, and that pipeline could not be available on time to save us from the current situation where SA is hitting steep decline.

reply to post by boncho


The American public transportation is a joke. Its so backwards and expensive compared to the rest of the world.

Originally posted by imherejusttoread

Originally posted by poet1b
You were making sense until you came up with this insane conclusion. You post to EX quotes point to a combination of drop in supply and increase in demand as the reason behind the climb in gas prices, and then you blame it on the government!!!!

Well, if government is preventing the development of those resources then it's preventing the demand from being satisfied. If government moves out of the way and allows the development of those resources then it will be supplied and the relative demand will be met.

I mean really, did you ever think that companies like earning more for supplying less?
During the industrialization of America many companies established pricing agreements
to keep prices artificially high. Or they can just suppress supply like they did in the West
and electricity.

You guess have got to be the most naive bunch of people I have ever met. You assign all
these warm and fuzzy feelings to business, business of all things.



you do realize that Private industry buys and suppresses patents and technology
all the time.

Originally posted by poet1b
Government isn't preventing the development of oil resources.

We have used up all the easy to get high quality crude on our planet, accumulated over millions of years.

Do you have citation(s) for this?

Originally posted by imherejusttoread

Originally posted by poet1b
Government isn't preventing the development of oil resources.

We have used up all the easy to get high quality crude on our planet, accumulated over millions of years.

Do you have citation(s) for this?

Yeah they are public info, try google for one, please try making a point instead of attacking the poster.

reply to post by Bugman82


1. The printing of trillions of dollars has nothing to do with Keynes, and everything to do with Newt Gingrich and the Republicans deregulating the financial sector. It is lack of government involvement that allowed that system to run amuck.

Free market concepts continuing their record streak of failure.

2. Wars and rumors of wars are the bread and butter of free market politicians, who claim they are for smaller government, but continually create a larger government by way of the military, to protect the assets of corporations overseas.

3. Your one sold point.

4. And when do you think that pipeline will be completed? By the way, Tar sands are not going to lower the cost of oil. Do some research.

Elimination of government control has resulted in the increase of gas prices, mainly the government not properly regulating commodities speculation, due to free market concepts being put into place.

Originally posted by hawkiye


Did it never occur to you that Oil companies and insiders are NOT FOR FREE MARKETS? They simply use the "Free Market"...

DING DING DING!

Yes, so why do you guys assist them with your rhetorical support?

That is exactly how it always translates, it is like the worlds biggest joke. The
conservative politicians who cry free market are not for free markets either.
But you guys can't seem to extricate your own brains from the brain washing
they do.

Wall street just dumped loads into deregulating and removing more Wall Street laws.
Guess who champions that politically, Hawkiye?

SO if you realize that people say free market and intend to screw America, why do
ALL the conservative politicians seem to have a penchant for adding fuel to this
very fire? Its crazy, I don't even have the words to make it clearer.

So 1,500 cheering Republicans at the debates don't seem to mind that Wall Street is
USING FREE MARKET principles to benefit their positions as you put it. So how
the hell can anyone tell when it is fake "Free Market" if everyone cheers and gets all cross
eyed when the words are spoken?

the whole things is a giant farce... This is exactly why I started this thread, so this aspect can
see some light. I am going to write more and more of these and ask the same question
over and over.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by imherejusttoread

 

Government isn't preventing the development of oil resources.

We have used up all the easy to get high quality crude on our planet, accumulated over millions of years.

The only reason they are developing tar sands is because they are scraping the barrel, and that pipeline could not be available on time to save us from the current situation where SA is hitting steep decline.

Not true!

3 to 4.3 Billion Barrels of Technically Recoverable Oil Assessed in North Dakota and Montana’s Bakken Formation

The USGS estimate of 3.0 to 4.3 billion barrels of technically recoverable oil has a mean value of 3.65 billion barrels. Scientists conducted detailed studies in stratigraphy and structural geology and the modeling of petroleum geochemistry. They also combined their findings with historical exploration and production analyses to determine the undiscovered, technically recoverable oil estimates.

www.usgs.gov...

That is more then all the Mideastern oil countries combined! And the largest oil reserve deposit ever found. That's enough oil to last another 2000 years. Now I think we should get off oil regardless but this dispels the myth of peak oil.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Bugman82

 

1. The printing of trillions of dollars has nothing to do with Keynes, and everything to do with Newt Gingrich and the Republicans deregulating the financial sector. It is lack of government involvement that allowed that system to run amuck.

Free market concepts continuing their record streak of failure.

2. Wars and rumors of wars are the bread and butter of free market politicians, who claim they are for smaller government, but continually create a larger government by way of the military, to protect the assets of corporations overseas.

3. Your one sold point.

4. And when do you think that pipeline will be completed? By the way, Tar sands are not going to lower the cost of oil. Do some research.

Elimination of government control has resulted in the increase of gas prices, mainly the government not properly regulating commodities speculation, due to free market concepts being put into place.

Excellent post, I don't have the patience to fight the ignorant any more, we are not going to change their minds, they are going to believe anything that faux news, rush, infowars, and wnd tells them. I have no patience for ignorance.

Originally posted by BubbaJoe
Yeah they are public info, try google for one, please try making a point instead of attacking the poster.

Link? I need the same material that was examined to see the context of the conclusions.

Originally posted by hawkiye

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by imherejusttoread

 

Government isn't preventing the development of oil resources.

We have used up all the easy to get high quality crude on our planet, accumulated over millions of years.

The only reason they are developing tar sands is because they are scraping the barrel, and that pipeline could not be available on time to save us from the current situation where SA is hitting steep decline.

Not true!

3 to 4.3 Billion Barrels of Technically Recoverable Oil Assessed in North Dakota and Montana’s Bakken Formation

The USGS estimate of 3.0 to 4.3 billion barrels of technically recoverable oil has a mean value of 3.65 billion barrels. Scientists conducted detailed studies in stratigraphy and structural geology and the modeling of petroleum geochemistry. They also combined their findings with historical exploration and production analyses to determine the undiscovered, technically recoverable oil estimates.

www.usgs.gov...

That is more then all the Mideastern oil countries combined! And the largest oil reserve deposit ever found. That's enough oil to last another 2000 years. Now I think we should get off oil regardless but this dispels the myth of peak oil.

edit on 25-2-2012 by hawkiye because: (no reason given)

Please define technically recoverable, if you are talking fracking, please see the many threads on this site concerning the health hazards of that route. Oh wait, conservatives/republicans are not concerned about health hazards as long as they can make a profit.

reply to post by imherejusttoread


Here is a good start for you.

www.investinganswers.com...

If you bother to start doing your own research, you will find they stopped publishing sweet light crude production in 2008 when oil production peaked on planet Earth. After about a decade of SA pumping sea water into their wells to maintain oil production.

Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by hawkiye


Did it never occur to you that Oil companies and insiders are NOT FOR FREE MARKETS? They simply use the "Free Market"...

DING DING DING!

Yes, so why do you guys assist them with your rhetorical support?

That is exactly how it always translates, it is like the worlds biggest joke. The
conservative politicians who cry free market are not for free markets either.
But you guys can't seem to extricate your own brains from the brain washing
they do.

Wall street just dumped loads into deregulating and removing more Wall Street laws.
Guess who champions that politically, Hawkiye?

So 1,500 cheering Republicans at the debates don't seem to mind that Wall Street is
USING FREE MARKET principles to benefit their positions as you put it. So how
the hell can anyone tell when it is fake "Free Market" if everyone cheers and gets all cross
eyed when the words are spoken?

the whole things is a giant farce... This is exactly why I started this thread, so this aspect can
see some light. I am going to write more and more of these and ask the same question
over and over.

First of all you seem a little slow here. Why are you assuming I am for republicans and being brain washed? Your the one claiming they are using free market principles when they are doing nothing of the kind. You are the one perpetuating the lie that it is a free market I am correcting the lie. You are the one disseminating misinformation along with them that we have a free market and it is the problem when we in fact do not have free markets and that is not the problem. You are the one perpetuating the left right divide they use to keep the masses distracted.

I can't help that there is still a bunch of idiot republicans buying the BS anymore then I can help that their is a bunch of idiot democrats that buy their so called left BS. All I can do is keep speaking truth and the truth is real free markets work and I will not let the republicans hijack the term nor allow the democrats to blame it for our problems when it does not even exist and has nothing to do with our problems and is in fact the answer to most of our problems. Yet you have people here like poet1b still buying this BS rhetoric and blaming free markets as the problem.

And by the way there is one man speaking the truth in the debates and he is Ron Paul and the brainwashed republicans and democrats hate him for exposing the BS on both sides!

Originally posted by BubbaJoe

Originally posted by hawkiye

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by imherejusttoread

 

Government isn't preventing the development of oil resources.

We have used up all the easy to get high quality crude on our planet, accumulated over millions of years.

The only reason they are developing tar sands is because they are scraping the barrel, and that pipeline could not be available on time to save us from the current situation where SA is hitting steep decline.

Not true!

3 to 4.3 Billion Barrels of Technically Recoverable Oil Assessed in North Dakota and Montana’s Bakken Formation

The USGS estimate of 3.0 to 4.3 billion barrels of technically recoverable oil has a mean value of 3.65 billion barrels. Scientists conducted detailed studies in stratigraphy and structural geology and the modeling of petroleum geochemistry. They also combined their findings with historical exploration and production analyses to determine the undiscovered, technically recoverable oil estimates.

www.usgs.gov...

That is more then all the Mideastern oil countries combined! And the largest oil reserve deposit ever found. That's enough oil to last another 2000 years. Now I think we should get off oil regardless but this dispels the myth of peak oil.

edit on 25-2-2012 by hawkiye because: (no reason given)

Please define technically recoverable, if you are talking fracking, please see the many threads on this site concerning the health hazards of that route. Oh wait, conservatives/republicans are not concerned about health hazards as long as they can make a profit.

Yes Fracking -

Pump the ground full of chemicals,

When people get cancer and kidney failure who pays for it?

Can't prove it was my chemicals, enjoy your cancer children.

Originally posted by imherejusttoread

Originally posted by BubbaJoe
Yeah they are public info, try google for one, please try making a point instead of attacking the poster.

Link? I need the same material that was examined to see the context of the conclusions.

To you I will offer an apology, these statements whenever they were made, were also made 35 years ago when I was debating it at a High School level. I would hope we could come to an agreement that we do need a national energy policy that Richard Nixon proposed 40 years ago.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by imherejusttoread

 

Here is a good start for you.

www.investinganswers.com...

If you bother to start doing your own research, you will find they stopped publishing sweet light crude production in 2008 when oil production peaked on planet Earth. After about a decade of SA pumping sea water into their wells to maintain oil production.

You need to get your facts straight this was updated in 2008 not a dacade ago. I don't care what they published you should take a drive to North Dakota and Montana it is booming in those areas with new wells being drilled almost daily! Its a modern day gold rush. And the numbers in the geological survey have not changed either so what was your point?

reply to post by hawkiye


I don't know who told you this, but you should have done some research to confirm the accuracy. Yes ut us wiki, but for a quick link it is good enough.

en.wikipedia.org...

Proven oil reserves in Saudi Arabia are the second largest claimed in the world, estimated to be 267 billion barrels

Those "3 to 4.3 Billion Barrels of Technically Recoverable Oil Assessed in North Dakota and Montana’s Bakken Formation" don't even come close to what SA once had. In fact these technically recoverable sources are a tiny percentage.

The big term however is "Technically Recoverable". Translation, much more expensive to tap.

SA is where Texas oil was in the 1970ties, and due to modern extraction technology they are likely to decline even faster. It is 11:11 for cheap oil production.

Originally posted by hawkiye

Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by hawkiye


Did it never occur to you that Oil companies and insiders are NOT FOR FREE MARKETS? They simply use the "Free Market"...

DING DING DING!

Yes, so why do you guys assist them with your rhetorical support?

That is exactly how it always translates, it is like the worlds biggest joke. The
conservative politicians who cry free market are not for free markets either.
But you guys can't seem to extricate your own brains from the brain washing
they do.

Wall street just dumped loads into deregulating and removing more Wall Street laws.
Guess who champions that politically, Hawkiye?

So 1,500 cheering Republicans at the debates don't seem to mind that Wall Street is
USING FREE MARKET principles to benefit their positions as you put it. So how
the hell can anyone tell when it is fake "Free Market" if everyone cheers and gets all cross
eyed when the words are spoken?

the whole things is a giant farce... This is exactly why I started this thread, so this aspect can
see some light. I am going to write more and more of these and ask the same question
over and over.

First of all you seem a little slow here. Why are you assuming I am for republicans and being brain washed? Your the one claiming they are using free market principles when they are doing nothing of the kind. You are the one perpetuating the lie that it is a free market I am correcting the lie. You are the one disseminating misinformation along with them that we have a free market and it is the problem when we in fact do not have free markets and that is not the problem. You are the one perpetuating the left right divide they use to keep the masses distracted.

I can't help that there is still a bunch of idiot republicans buying the BS anymore then I can help that their is a bunch of idiot democrats that buy their so called left BS. All I can do is keep speaking truth and the truth is real free markets work and I will not let the republicans hijack the term nor allow the democrats to blame it for our problems when it does not even exist and has nothing to do with our problems and is in fact the answer to most of our problems. Yet you have people here like poet1b still buying this BS rhetoric and blaming free markets as the problem.

And by the way there is one man speaking the truth in the debates and he is Ron Paul and the brainwashed republicans and democrats hate him for exposing the BS on both sides!

edit on 25-2-2012 by hawkiye because: (no reason given)

Ron Paul is not going to win, and even if he did, he would not be able to solve the problems. I am sorry you have such delusional ideas, but it is not going to happen.