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Originally posted by poet1b
Taking these corporate execs our of power would be the best thing for liberty of the people, and cutting government is not going to do that.
Originally posted by poet1b
Got any stats to back up that claim?
Where is your proof that our road system was created by free enterprise. You make the claim, you should have to find the evidence.
The evidence that your claim is wrong is easy to find.
Why is President Dwight D. Eisenhower called the "Father of the Interstate System"?
Although the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1944 authorized designation of a "National System of Interstate Highways," the legislation did not authorize an initiating program to build it. After taking office in January 1953, President Eisenhower made revitalizing the Nation's highways one of the goals of his first term. As an army Lieutenant Colonel in 1919, Eisenhower had accompanied a military convoy across the United States and saw the poor condition of our Nation's roads. Later, during his World War II stint as Commander of the Allied Forces, his admiration for Germany's well-engineered Autobahn highway network reinforced his belief that the United States needed first-class roads. As a result, Eisenhower formed internal committees to study the idea, enlisted the Nation's Governors to offer suggestions, and met with Members of Congress to promote the proposal. When legislation failed in 1955, observers predicted that in the presidential election year of 1956, the Democratic Congress would not approve such a significant plan sought by a Republican President. Nevertheless, President Eisenhower continued to urge approval and worked with Congress to reach compromises that made approval possible. The President signed theFederal-Aid Highway Act of 1956 on June 29, 1956."
The creation of the Standard Oil monopoly was not an act of the U.S. government, it was a result of the actions of the people who owned and controlled Standard, and intentionally built it as a monopoly, fighting all attempt of the fed gov to prevent it from happening.
georgewashington2.blogspot.com... Also see David Blumes book Alcohol Can Be a Gas: www.alcoholcanbeagas.com...
John D. Rockefeller, under the ruse of Christian temperance, gave 4 million dollars to a group of old ladies and told them to fight for Prohibition (they successfully used the money to buy off Congress). Why? Rockefeller owned Standard Oil, the main company pushing gas as an alternative fuel to alcohol. By getting Congress to pass Prohibition laws, Rockefeller eliminated his competition. And see this.
From you quotes in the book, good points, and I am a fan of Jackson. The bigger problem we face in this modern era is not a shortage of supply, although we are facing a serious shortage of oil with our current system in place. Mainly we have a surplus of goods and service, and a shortage of demand, because instead of spreading the wealth, increased wages and salaries for increased production, we have witnessed the amassing and concentration of wealth, into an unsustainable system, primarily through fraudulent business practices.
Originally posted by mastahunta
reply to post by mastahunta
I never said it was the root cause,
but if you had cardiac arrest due to a bullet wound would that make the stopped heart any less detremental?
I don't understand why you are trying so hard to down play the prices at the pump, they are outragious and they effect every nook and cranny of every good we have to pay for.
Why do you and Hawkiey and Jean Paul think paying artificially inflated prices is our birth right?
Don't you care for people at least as much as you care ideas, built on theory?
Or at least don't you have enough respect for your country to champion proactive stances on fraud?
I think you have let your ideas and love for those ideas could you judgement on many different
levels. I shouldn't have to remind you that ideas are just that, ideas.
The real problem is is that you take a simplistic view on everything.
Big Government is one of many different problems, it certainly is a big problem in some ways, but it is a force and as a force it can be used to do good and bad.
Big government seems to favor big business because of politicians who say they are for the Free Market favor them when there is a choice to act for the citizens or the oligarchy.
Originally posted by mastahunta
reply to post by mastahunta
Big government seems to favor big business because of politicians who say they are for the Free Market favor them when there is a choice to act for the citizens or the oligarchy. Which is a real problem that exists within conservatism as a national institution.
State after state has the line drawn about ground water pollution for example, who always take the side of legalizing toxic chemical being dump and disposed of in and around drinking water supplies?
Big Government favoring big Business is typically conservative politicians favoring big business because they love the "free market". If you guys on this thread were politicians, it would be big government favors big business because big government just doesn't even care enough to see if there is fraud.
Big government, loving big business is because politicians are in love with the non interventionist,
free market ideas, which often times equate to PRO ACTIVE big business action on behalf of
supposed free marketeers.
Do I have to start posting senate votes here to prove my point?
And that is the ultimate irony Poet and I keep pointing out. Big government would be much less big business if free market advocates would stop entering into the government they hate in the first place.
In the same breath, conservatism believes that all the people on the top should makes all the decisions
by eliminating the potency of direct representation.
Which is what the free market essentially does,
Oh, we cannot do anything to stop the billionaires from ripping you off because that would violate
free market principles.
So what that is also saying is, we the people are not allowed to use our government to challenge
the status quo. Which means that concentrated wealth and money become the true ruling force.
In that, you guys have ensured that a few people at the top make all the decisions.
Petty theft? It is the largest direct transfer of wealth in this nations history, it is shocking to
see what you guys will accept to justify and protect your ideology,
you are making the conscience decision to ignore a real problem because the solution goes against your beliefs,
not because the problem isn't real, valid or massive.
In any case, I appreciate your honesty here, I look forward to your response when you find time.
Originally posted by Semicollegiate
Then why do you think is is the most important thing?
You are saying that the bullet caused the cardiac arrest and not the person who chose to pull the trigger.
You are right that gas prices affect the price of everything, but so does inflation, and you don't really know how much of the commodity price raise is a return to real value vs the dollar. Maybe the speculators put off the oil adjustment as long as they could, not out of benevolence but because they make more money if it changes fast.
Why do you assume we don't. Takes one to know one.
The instruments you would use to fix the problem are the cause and beneficiaries of the problem. They say Its "too big to fail". You would make it bigger by your efforts to fix this one thing that has managed to snag your attention.
You project yourself in that statement.
Must be complicated or you can't understand it, right?
That's what the NAZIs say.
Goverment is the reason World War 1 and World War 2 happened. Goverment has killed more people than any other unnatural cause in the history of the universe. As a neccessry evil it should always be made smaller.
And you want more politicians or bureaucrats
to fix the problems with politicians and bureaucrats
who work for the buisnesses who gouge you
when they are not the politicians that lie to you.
Originally posted by poet1b
No they are not, nothing says congress is made up of CEOs.
Originally posted by mastahunta
If you noticed, this thread is about Price gouging that is occurring via speculation, Did
you notice this thread is not about fiat currency
Originally posted by hawkiye
it is clear to me that especially mastahunta but also poet1b are being willfully dishonest. Both have said they agree there is no free markets currently several times yet they continue to decry and blame these non-existent free markets despite all their arguments being so thoroughly destroyed and turned to dust that there is nothing left to argue.
Yet here they are continuing to repeat the same non-sense and even willfully lying and trying and claim several of us are supporting the elites and politicians we have consistently condemned. We have provided evidence reason and logic while they have provided none.
I thought poet1b and I were making some headway toward agreement at one point however he reverted back to his pat lines and that turned out not to be the case. It is clear their goal is not to find truth but to simply reinforce their emotional attachment to their false belief despite being proven wrong repeatedly to the point ridiculousness. There tactic is to simply ignore and continue to repeat nonsense which is always the MO of unsubstantiated emotional arguments.
I see no point in continuing with them. People will judge for themselves as always however continuing to argue with willful dishonesty and ignorance quickly reaches a point of diminishing returns even if only doing so for the sake of other readers. Audios Amigos...
I have included some charts on the unfortunately binding constraints of science and energy economics. Enjoy.
Now let’s get to the interesting part. The press release implies that natural gas and renewable energy can reduce American dependence on foreign oil (“end” is the word used). This is an appealing proposition, particularly with Brent oil prices now 5 times higher than natural gas prices on a BTU basis. So, let’s assume that the US wanted to cease all oil imports from Venezuela, Russia and the Persian Gulf. This would reduce oil imports by ~30%. If Americans still wanted to drive around just as much, absent an increase of 2.8 million bpd in US domestic crude production, electricity would have to replace the foregone gasoline. Ergo: how much wind power or natural gas would be needed, assuming electric cars at 200 watt hours per km? And what policies would be needed on fracking, eminent domain, and subsidies for high voltage direct current power lines to transmit electricity at acceptable loss rates?