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Originally posted by Semicollegiate
That is not a free market problem. That is a problem with the legal sytem.
In a free market there would be another source of power because of that.
Soldiers come from training, not free markets.
Do you have any assumptions that you base your economics on?
Any basic truths?
Originally posted by Semicollegiate
Your great-grandaddy sold mineral rights to some body. And right now most people are selling their grandchildren to the world bank, who knew?
Originally posted by LErickson
reply to post by mastahunta
I am starting to notice that free market conservatives online a pretty shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh on fracking.
What's up with that?
Originally posted by LErickson
Originally posted by Semicollegiate
Are you serious?
Always and only. Deadly so. See that look in my eyes?
No, the free market is not designed to have a winner.
OK.
The free market is not "designed" nor a game.
I will give you that.
Now just explain to me how it is any different than a game designed to have a winner.
My car and my sledgehammer are incredibly different things but if only used to smash things, the difference narrows down to little more than quantity of the exact same purpose, process, and result.
So I am listening.
Originally posted by mastahunta
Originally posted by Semicollegiate
That is not a free market problem. That is a problem with the legal sytem.
In a free market there would be another source of power because of that.
Soldiers come from training, not free markets.
Do you have any assumptions that you base your economics on?
Any basic truths?
1.Supply can be manipulated
2.Free Markets cannot function when ethics are abandoned
3.Ethics have been abandoned
4.Supply is easy to manipulate
5.Consolidation is the purpose of business
6.Competition is not guaranteed
7.When politicians say free market, it is usually code for screwing over a bunch of people
to benefit a company.
Originally posted by mastahunta
Originally posted by mastahunta
That is not a free market problem. That is a problem with the legal sytem.
In a free market there would be another source of power because of that.
Soldiers come from training, not free markets.
Do you have any assumptions that you base your economics on?
Any basic truths?
1.Supply can be manipulated
2.Free Markets cannot function when ethics are abandoned
3.Ethics have been abandoned
4.Supply is easy to manipulate
5.Consolidation is the purpose of business
6.Competition is not guaranteed
7.When politicians say free market, it is usually code for screwing over a bunch of people
to benefit a company.
1. The printing of trillions of dollars has nothing to do with Keynes, and everything to do with Newt Gingrich and the Republicans deregulating the financial sector. It is lack of government involvement that allowed that system to run amuck.
Free market concepts continuing their record streak of failure.
2. Wars and rumors of wars are the bread and butter of free market politicians, who claim they are for smaller government, but continually create a larger government by way of the military, to protect the assets of corporations overseas.
3. Your one sold point.
4. And when do you think that pipeline will be completed? By the way, Tar sands are not going to lower the cost of oil. Do some research.
Elimination of government control has resulted in the increase of gas prices, mainly the government not properly regulating commodities speculation, due to free market concepts being put into place.
Originally posted by Furbs
Still trying to figure out how ANY of this beats simply not buying gasoline.
Can anyone help me out?
Originally posted by mastahunta
Originally posted by Furbs
Still trying to figure out how ANY of this beats simply not buying gasoline.
Can anyone help me out?
Have see our roads? We need relief now.
Originally posted by Furbs
Originally posted by mastahunta
Originally posted by Furbs
Still trying to figure out how ANY of this beats simply not buying gasoline.
Can anyone help me out?
Have see our roads? We need relief now.
How does that even answer my question?
Relief comes the -moment- you stop buying gasoline.
Originally posted by Bugman82
Your arguments are illogical. I'll address each one.
1. The printing of trillions of dollars has nothing to do with Keynes, and everything to do with Newt Gingrich and the Republicans deregulating the financial sector. It is lack of government involvement that allowed that system to run amuck.
Free market concepts continuing their record streak of failure.
No, printing money is central planning coordinated by the Federal Reserve undertaken by the Obama administration and the social democracies of Europe in efforts to prop up corporations, banks, bonds, and stocks at the expense of the value of currencies.
It forces inflation which is a direct transfer of wealth from the poor/middle classes to these corporations, banks, stockholders, and bondholders. Why is it a transfer of wealth? As currency depletes in value so does the value of our wages and prices of food and energy. Your misunderstanding of this concept is a major problem.
I'm addressing government spending and government intervention. I could care less what kind of politician is interested in war. It is still the government's intervention that is causing higher prices and not free market. They can claim to be "market politicians' all they want, but it is completely separate from the issue of free market and that makes this a straw-man fallacy.
The excessive printing of more money was a direct reaction to the policies conservative free market
proponents conceived of in the late 90's. Apply "free market" principles to create a multi
Trillion dollar speculative market to lending, credit and insurance industries. Exactly in
the name of deregulation and free markets, those efforts were ill conceived and were
perpetrated by applying the free market monicer, which stupified all the idiot masses
who stop thinking in the presense of the wrods FREE MARKET.
Those banks, bonds and stock all represent depositor money, so you are essentially
saying wipe out the publics finances that are locked up in all those institutions and
get on with it. I say you are half baked if you think bankrupting everyone with a
bnak account, pension or a dollar is a good idea.
I cannot say that bailout should have happened either, I think all parties should have liquidated
and returned to the public. But the would be REDISTRIBUTION HEAVY.
I think inflation is by design on several fronts, Oil has perptrated the largest "legal" transfer
of wealth in the history of mankind. 300 million Americans have to pay to make 300 executives
and 30 families richer than gods. They intentionally inflate the price of gas so they can better
profit margins.
No, it is the speculation that allows for the extra premiums to be attached to the commodity,
speculation is a free market principle. Fix prices would be the opposite and fixed prices
are not free market.
The excessive printing of more money was a direct reaction to the policies conservative free market proponents conceived of in the late 90's. Apply "free market" principles to create a multi
Trillion dollar speculative market to lending, credit and insurance industries. Exactly in
the name of deregulation and free markets, those efforts were ill conceived and were
perpetrated by applying the free market monicer, which stupified all the idiot masses
who stop thinking in the presense of the wrods FREE MARKET.
Those banks, bonds and stock all represent depositor money, so you are essentially
saying wipe out the publics finances that are locked up in all those institutions and
get on with it. I say you are half baked if you think bankrupting everyone with a
bnak account, pension or a dollar is a good idea.
No, it is the speculation that allows for the extra premiums to be attached to the commodity,
speculation is a free market principle. Fix prices would be the opposite and fixed prices
are not free market.
We have a transportation infrastructure designed around the consumption of gasoline. You are forced to buy gasoline because of the system in place, or endured extreme barriers in moving around in your community.
This idealistic world you people describe as a free market does not exist, and never has existed.
By supporting free markets you people wind up supporting fraudulent business practices.
f you want to dream about free markets go ahead, but you need to recognize that the politicians who preach about free markets in fact are in support of getting rid of the rules that prevent fraudulent business practices, even RP.
Originally posted by Bugman82
reply to post by mastahunta
The excessive printing of more money was a direct reaction to the policies conservative free market
proponents conceived of in the late 90's. Apply "free market" principles to create a multi
Trillion dollar speculative market to lending, credit and insurance industries. Exactly in
the name of deregulation and free markets, those efforts were ill conceived and were
perpetrated by applying the free market monicer, which stupified all the idiot masses
who stop thinking in the presense of the wrods FREE MARKET.
Those banks, bonds and stock all represent depositor money, so you are essentially
saying wipe out the publics finances that are locked up in all those institutions and
get on with it. I say you are half baked if you think bankrupting everyone with a
bnak account, pension or a dollar is a good idea.
I cannot say that bailout should have happened either, I think all parties should have liquidated
and returned to the public. But the would be REDISTRIBUTION HEAVY.
It would be easily argued that it was government regulation that caused the housing bubble in the first place. Dodd/Frank coerced banks through regulation and law to provide sub-prime mortgages to people who could not afford the said loans.