Men (Masculinity) Dangerous to Society?

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posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 09:54 AM
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No, I beg to differ.

Human women, like most females in the animal kingdom are more deadlier.

They are just smarter and don't get caught.

The people that hold to the opening statement never met my ex daughter in law.

I've met some pretty mean women in my life - more mean women than men.

Hollywood is big on painting men as brutes but it was my ex daughter in law that smacked my son around in a parking lot with my grand daughter walking in our door at four, crying that "mama was hitting papa for no reason, grandma why?"

The police stood by and laughed because my son is over 6' and my cute, petite, pretty ex daughter in law 5' and 110 pounds. If my son had simply smacked her back he would have been arrested but it's okay for a woman to smack around a man.

Hollywood paints men as abusive.

Yes some are but myself I have found women to be more treacherous again, they are just better at hiding it.

One last thought, while men may physically lash out (I've seen plenty of women do this too though lately) - many women play psychological games that hurt as bad or worse than a physical beating.

Words can scare the soul as much as any knife.

With that being said, why can't people simply follow the golden rule, "Do unto others EXACTLY as you would have them do unto you."

Pure and simple, play nice.
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posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Hecate666
Reading through this thread has made a few things very clear. The most insulting posts here are from men.


Why are feminists so sensitive to criticism when they dish it out so readily?

You would almost think that they thought of themselves as a superior sex.


This is the question I often ask myself, and I believe I have the answer.

They are so insecure, they feel that they need to lash out in order to protect themselves...and they can't take it in turn for the same reason they dish it: defense mechanism.

Women are insecure, but they don't have to be that way. Just as society has supposedly trained men to be violent, it has also taught women to be weak beneath the success, to do only as much as the man, not more.

WAKE UP, WOMEN! YOU'RE NOT IN KANSAS ANYMORE!

This is America. And with America, comes freedom and responsibility. No matter what gender you are.

All hail the red white and blue...because if you Americans were anywhere else, you'd already be dead.



posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by AnonyWarp
I dont hate womens ,but i have to say, womens tend to ask for equality and respect, and tend to act like godly beings

They want to work the same jobs as mens do with the same pay but WITHOUT the troubles.

If a girl harass you,she dont get any troubles , just try to do the same to a women, and you end in troubles

etc etc etc...
i can go for an hour with a full list of arguments but i know , some feminazis here are already foaming with rage

I dont see any respect here, i just can see a difference in matter of treatment



Exactly what I have been saying. They have been treated like dirt for so long that now they have the opportunity to rise up, they want to be goddesses instead of human beings. They expect us men to be subservient...and then they get used to it. You think you can control us with our desires, and with your mind games? Don't pretend you don't. You try to trick and manipulate us because it amuses you...because you think you're good enough, mighty enough, to do whatever you want. Part of the "empowering program", I think. I have watched women do this before, and it irks me more than anything else.

Not on my watch. You crap with the rest of the people, or not at all. No golden toilet paper for you.



posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 10:42 AM
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Oh so true, why just today I woke up and the first thing i thought to myself is "what should I destroy today, and what violence should I be up to" I was even contemplating starting my day off by throwing my shoes at my cat, just to show her who's boss, as cartman would say.... respect my authority.

Then eventually moving on up to makings somebody's life miserable, oh the things I will get up to and all the mischief I will cause from dawn to dusk just because I is male is something to behold.

But OK you have some good points and some stupid points, I will go down the list telling you which is which.




To a certain extent , is it not also tainting a childs innocence to bombard a 4/5/6/7 year old with "Signs of a Sexually Depraved Person"?? Or should we insist that any man studying to be a teacher has to go through additional therapy training ?


A stupid point makes no sense. So what exactly are you trying to say? People who get no sex cant be teachers.
Or if they do they should go trough additional therapy training. Or what should only those people who get lots of sex be allowed to be teachers.


As you can see your statements say nothing.




"Media are crucial to constraining men to seeing violent masculinity as the cultural norm -- there is a growing connection in society betwen being a man and being violent (lots of statistics about men being the violent ones -- 85% of murders are by men; 95% domestic violence is by men; 99% of rapes in prison are by men, etc.)


Stupid, and lies. And how is prison rape even in there, if all of the people in prison are male. Are you surprised that 99% of rapes in that environment are perpetrated by men on men.






Men perpetrate 90% of the violence in society, and society (in media especially) tends to focus on the subordinated groups, not the dominant ones. The invisibility of masculinity is played out -- media say it is "kids killing kids" --not that it is boys killing boys and girls, not girls doing the killing -- and so must be tied to masculinity. "


That is your problem you listen to much to the media, 90% is bunk, and the other 10% is made up on the spot...At least according to my sources and statistics.


Making your points up with make believe points will lead to make believe conclusions.

Also there are other factors going on, one being that the prison industry is a business. And the ones who own and operate those business know that to keep business booming they must target females, and not males. Mainly because females are much easier to control and fool, and by doing so and even breaking up certain aspects of natural life they can funnel the excess males to there business causes. Such as prisons, and wars....Like duh.

Were and how do you think this whole feminism movement started, Its all psy op, and control, the will to power.



The director/reseracher implies that if you don't say it, you leave out the important element in the subsequent discussion, and I agree. It is noted that when women are violent, it is almost always an important part of the story ; we need to make it visible -- Making how violent masculinity is visible is the first step to seeing how it operates in the culture.


A bunch of words that go in circles and mean absolutely nothing....Its proposing a conclusion then going round about in coming to that same conclusion.




Can the mass numbers of pedophiles , rapists, domestic assaulters,and violent criminals be attributed to men suffering from an identity chrises?


Among a number of any number of other things I suppose that yes it can.




Are "boys being boys" , upholding a self damaging paradigm that society has molded for them Killing our world?


Maybe 40 years ago, now a days boys are not allowed to be boys...You know as it will be the total downfall of our society and all of civilization as we know it. But stick around watch the show take a turn to stranger courses, when girls will not be allowed to be girls.





it can only be seen Not as a diesease- but as a symptom of the impossilbe standard of "masculinity" and how it is damaging our men , women and children repeatedly.

Impossible standard of masculinity.
Were and who comes up with this #, do they pull it out of there ass because thats the only place I know of were # comes from. So its not a disease but a symptom of a disease.
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posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 10:52 AM
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so you use 5 isolated incidents to paint all men with the same brush?


please.

you know what else is dangerous to society?

ignorance.

you have alot of it.
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posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 10:57 AM
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Pharoe has repeatedly stated that sexism is neither the theme nor the object of this thread...

and yet I cannot help notice how she/he thoughtfully neglects to mention the crime rates and statistics revolving around women, implying that men are the primary source of national and world negativity.

I appreciate the users who have posted the statistic regarding violence and abuse at the hands of females...we need a little balance in here.

I don't think masculinity or femininity is the question here. Neither is positive or negative...they simply are. The most advantageous means of handling this fact is, simply put, BALANCE.

Don't degrade either side of the field, as both are required for survival and spiritual peace. There is a reason for both genders, and we should respect that. Rather than lying blame on man or woman, accept that both have flaws and points of strength, and work each to our advantage. Instead of forcing ourselves to rely solely on the aspects which society has taught us "represent" our genders, learn to attribute both to each.

There is divinity in duality, and neither, by itself, will suffice.

Namaste



posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by iamconcerned
reply to post by kokoro
 


I certainly don't hate women, and if you look at any patent site, you will see that 90% of the patents are from men. Women are definitely smart, they just don't create/invent wealth on the same scale. If my 'butthurt' ramblings make just one person think twice about signing up for the slavery that is marriage, then i've done my job
Enjoy your cats and dwindling benefits


Your reply made me LOL actually!!

Nope no cats here. I think if you are going to get married, which maybe some of us shouldn't or not so quickly anyway, it should be an equal partnership between the two Problem is for many years women were forced by men to take on those roles you speak of. Men didn't want women to work outside the home and generate income and we had to fight to get basic rights in this country. Even now some men seem threatened by a strong woman who doesn't "know her place". Just look at Santorum for a clear view of that kind of thinking. I do not think that all men think this way, it just seemed in your post as if you were grouping all women as ignorant baby machines who are looking for a man to exploit when that is far from the truth. I want the same rights as a man, I want to have my own career, choose my own path in life, and not have anyone standing over me telling me what I must do just because I happen to be a female. If that makes me a feminist, so be it.



posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 11:00 AM
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...and the guys seem to be holding the edge in this particular theater of competition.




Man, talk about illustrating the point about extreme competitiveness. Wow.



posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by NorEaster
...and the guys seem to be holding the edge in this particular theater of competition.




Man, talk about illustrating the point about extreme competitiveness. Wow.


It's not our fault that s/he bit off more than s/he could chew.


Next time you sexists come in with guns blazing, make sure you hit your mark, because we ATSers bite back.
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posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 11:13 AM
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Where to begin?

First of all, pederasty is not a "masculine" trait. Neither is rape or violence. These are acts of the ill.

Second, don't go piling on teachers because of what a handful of ill people were caught doing. There are millions of teachers who are hard working, caring people...trying to enact positive change in our sick society. A handful of people were caught doing unspeakable things to children, and they teach. If they didn't teach, would they not still be pedophiles? If they did not teach, would they not molest some other child?

Make teachers take some "appropriate touching sensitivity training?" For real? Isn't anti-bullying training enough? What about social networking appropriateness? What happened to training teachers how to teach? Helping them communicate math better, helping them work with students who don't speak English? We don't need your witch hunts.

The bottom line is, sadly, ill people have been committing these acts for all time. The differences now are more people, more media saturation, and a mainstream society that has been perverted on all levels (myself included). We are addicted to this smut, we crave the story, we crave the outrage we feel when news leaks out, and we drool for every last detail. That's not a male issue, that is a western society issue.



posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 11:19 AM
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I can not deny that this world is in urgent need for "more femininity" and "less maculinity".

It's really a urgent need...



posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 11:24 AM
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Well that was just flat out ignorant
nothing to do here



posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 11:29 AM
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I am a man. Approximately 20 years old. I have always treated the sexes equally. In the media and in education I have only heard about the issues women are facing, none about those facing men. For example, the fact that the vast majority of teachers are women and it has been shown that women teachers are biased slightly against boys. Or the vast majority of suicides are by young men around my age. Or men get far longer sentences for the same crime. I could go on but I don't think it would be appropriate. And you know what happens when these concerns are raised? We get told simply to "man up" or are told that issues can only effect females.

So I log on and I see the title - "Men (Masculinity) Dangerous to Society?". Do you know how that makes me feel? The best two words I could come up with are extremely alienated and dehumanized, because it is essentially against everything I stand for and essentially insults me. I am offended. I am beginning to understand why so many young men kill themselves because uh... well I can certainly see why they don't want to live on this planet anymore. In any case, the OP must be extremely silly to not foresee that this would have a lot of backlash (which by the way, is to the detriment of her cause - why would I support it if it basically insults me?), if this was not her intent (more on this later).

Regarding the issue itself, well let's use an example. Non-Hispanic blacks accounted for 39.4% of the total prison and jail population in 2009 yet blacks (including Hispanic blacks) comprise 12.6% of the population. Do we therefore simply state that black people and black culture are dangerous to society? No. That would be silly and would itself create enormous backlash. Instead issues like this need to be treated as the social issues that they are. In other words, the reasons for some of these statistics need to be explained and corrections found. Thankfully after reading the body of the thread the OP sort-of got at this with the final paragraph stating that "it can only be seen Not as a diesease - but as a symptom of the impossilbe standard of "masculinity" and how it is damaging our men, women and children repeatedly." This needs to be elaborated on. So do the other issues like the ones I raised in the first paragraph that could actually cause men to be violent.

However as shown the title was different to the body which makes me believe this is a classic troll thread using bait-and-switch tactics. Wikipedia explains it well:

Bait-and-switch is a form of fraud, most commonly used in retail sales but also applicable to other contexts. First, customers are "baited" by advertising for a product or service at a low price; second, the customers discover that the advertised good is not available and are "switched" to a costlier product.

en.wikipedia.org...
In this case, members took the bait by reading the offensive title and instead the body of the (poorly written) text offered something a bit different that didn't really explain a whole lot but could maybe be justified if these issues were massively elaborated and explored in the way I just suggested. It's extremely obvious trolling. Actually this stuff is not really new - I browse several forums that talk about social issues, it is very well known that some feminists, their supporters or simple trolls attempt to troll forums using various tactics such as switch-and-bait, editing their posts after replies have been added which changes the apparent context of the replies, or by simply being as offensive as possible. The backlash, the angry and frustrated replies to said trolling are then posted elsewhere completely out of context in an effort to prove that said website or group of people are "misogynist" or in an attempt to prove the trolls point.

I find it extremely hard to believe the OP is not trolling because as stated it is simply obvious what would happen due to the title. Therefore, this thread needs to be locked for:
1: Being misleading and inaccurate.
2: Being offensive.
3. Probably Trolling and baiting.
4. Being bigoted.
5. To send the message that this will not be tolerated.

The OP should be able to repost it when the issues that I have outlined are fixed, else the thread should die. If the thread is reposted without the issues being fixed then the user should be permanently banned. I see threads posted here that are simply obvious trolling, I might create a thread about how to recognise trolling actually. I'm tired so apologies if the last couple of paragraphs were not too good.
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posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 11:38 AM
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That's what the liberal, everyone-should-be-gay socialist narrative would have you think.

Emasculate the men through cultural propaganda and pharmaceuticals and you end up with a passive, apathetic population that is easy to control.

Looks like you bought that bill of goods with cash money. Bravo.



posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 12:10 PM
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If masculinity were such a danger to society why is it that even in homosexual couples one takes on the more masculine role while the other a more feminine role?
The duality of feminism and masculinity is essential in our species and in relationships.

Let's also not forget that masculinity is in part a biological process that is derived by the production of testosterone, which may I add has been in decline for a while now. So, if anything, masculinity has been on the decline.

Your assertion that masculinity itself is somehow correlated to all the wrong doings in the world is just flat out wrong.

I would argue that everything you assert is due to the failure of our society to properly teach men how to be men.

We now have generations of men who are being taught how to be a man by being raised by single mothers, who, no offense, have no idea what it takes to be a man. Is it any wonder that these young boys turn into men who are confused and unsure how to handle their masculinity?

And that's why women have way more power than most men. Most women are in control of their femininity while most men are not in control of their masculinity.

Now. Whose fault is that?
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posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 12:13 PM
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I dont usually post replies on threads, but i thought that i might just say something here.


"Most of violent crimes and sexual assualts on children and adults are overwhelmingly commited by males. (PLEASE NOTE: this is not to say that women have not, will not, or do not have the capacity to do so) "

Okay I understand what you're saying. But i think you are being selective and being unfair.

As Canned2na says:
"Why single out men when women are capable of the exact same crimes as men? "

This member is wise(Just saying).


You said
"Or should we insist that any man studying to be a teacher has to go through additional therapy training ? "

Why should men just have to go through additional training if women are capable of the same crime? It works both ways my friend. Yes men may do more of these crimes than women do but women still do them right, so why would this only be for men?

Thats almost like saying "Woman drivers are not as good as driving at men, so they have to go through a different set of tests to obtain a license."(Thats not true, youre driving abilities has no connection to your gender. There are both excellent female and male drivers out there.) You see where im coming from?

You're saying Men and Woman can both commit these crimes but only men would have to go through these additional tests. Thats not right.

Thanks for your time.



posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 12:15 PM
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I have over 250,000 years of evidence to suggest that men are not any more dangerous to society than women.

If I wanted to jump on the crazy train, I could point a finger at our current state of social moral decline being linked to the 'feminism' movement of the last century. That too would be ridiculous.

The OP is trolling or so out of touch with what feminism is that she is engaging in attacks on masculinity as a way to better her own standing. This to me is just as dangerous as anything she is suggesting.

OP seems to want equality among the sexes and genders until the equality no longer suits her.



posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 12:22 PM
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Women can't drive!



posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by Starchild23
And another thing. If you really want to talk about this "masculinity paradigm" crap...

I have noticed that while females want to have the same rights as men, they still prefer to be treated like china. In other words, they want to choose whether to be responsible or not, and interchange it day to day. They want to live the heavenly life, while men have no choice but to slave away.

IT amuses them, it relaxes them, it pleases them, whatever.

No. No, no, and NO! You don't get it both ways. If we work, you work. If you play, we can play too. If you want to go out and buy a new pair of shoes every weekend, we can go and splurge at the bar every friday and saturday. We are not your personal slaves, and you are not goddesses who can choose the schedule fate gives you.

You are not special. You are human, just like all of us. Live life like the rest of us, with its ups and downs. Stop playing mental games, and stop seeing problems where there are none. Stop picking fights to take out your frustrations, and start realizing the guy you're dating is a douche, and that man who's been your best friend for years is secretly in love with you.

You pretend you know everything, you get insulted when someone implies you don't...get with the program: YOU ARE HUMAN.

Start acting like it, and stop playing, "Little Miss Gift to the World." You are not perfect, and neither is your life. Accept it. And here's my little confession: sometimes, I think women act the way they do because they are the most insecure of them all. They feel the need to doll up and play games and do whatever...because they are lost and insecure.

Maybe if they stopped pretending to be helpless females, they might not be insecure, and then we'd all be happy HUMANS. Female =/= Insecure. Stop acting like it does. If you wanted to rule the world, you could, just like any man. Don't act weak, don't act coy, don't be anything except a strong woman, because no woman is incapable. Look at Stephen Hawking! He's a man, and he's crippled, and he's a freakin' genius! Now you're a healthy woman, full of life and vigor, and you can't do as well as he has? Bull#!

Stop playing at being the damsel in distress. Stop playing at being high and mighty. Just...BE. Be yourself. Be strong. Be human.

I'm finished here...I'll leave it to the other men to get their points across. I just thought if someone was going to start a feminism thread, I would interject some masculinity in the interest of equality.




Namaste.
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Almost a daily occurrence for me. This post nailed it exactly.


Originally posted by AwakeinNM
That's what the liberal, everyone-should-be-gay socialist narrative would have you think.

Emasculate the men through cultural propaganda and pharmaceuticals and you end up with a passive, apathetic population that is easy to control.

Looks like you bought that bill of goods with cash money. Bravo.


Funny thing is they preach "why can't we all just get along" but then you disagree with them - BAM. Out comes from rage and hate.
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posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 12:33 PM
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Did you know that ultimate enlightenment is expressed as passive magnanimity and broad inclusiveness - which are both relatively Feminine existential imperative expressions? Where are all the enlightened ATSers on this topic? Where are all the ego (Masculine imperative expression) dismissing eclectics that usually leap into threads in this forum with claims of having achieved ego-death? The imperative gender expression that you guys rant on about is expressly Feminine, and yet I'm not seeing anyone of you defending the relatively Feminine expression here.

Weird.





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