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Priest Gives Obama's Mandate "The Finger (?)"

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posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 09:27 AM
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Well, we all heard the recent news regarding Obama's "Mandate". It caused quite the uproar from the religious community. We had a thread or two about here as well.

We have many members on both sides of the fence here at ATS. This could be quite the discussion.

Take a look at how this priest decides to address this. It's both spot-on and comical at the same time.



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posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 09:39 AM
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someone should email this video to obama, i would but i dont know his email address



posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by TheGuyFawkes
reply to post by freakjive
 


someone should email this video to obama, i would but i dont know his email address


I'm sure he's seen it by now...and probably still laughing too. Doesn't matter to him as long as the check cashes...



posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 09:53 AM
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if contraception isnt a right neither is viagra
women use the pill to regulate their cycle which also become a work environment issue
this is a more complicated than "we shouldnt have to pay for something that prevents pregnancy when we disagree with doing so"
because many women dont even use it for its contraceptive properties

this issue really does make clear who the ignorant are

clearly people are taking advantage of the situation trying spread their beliefs and customs to others (which actual is one of these beliefs and customs)
if you were to talk to people and try to appeal to them as a person thats perfectly ok its not ok however to try to force things into a social norm
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posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 09:58 AM
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your probably right, but does anyone know his email? i think emailing him would be good for venting some of my problems with the government



posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 10:04 AM
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For a moment I thought Mandate was his wife, carry on.....



posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 10:07 AM
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I haven't been able to see the Church forcing anything on anybody in this matter. Aren't they only saying "Leave us alone, don't force us to do something against our religion by a new regulation. You guys just stay over on your side of the wall of separation, ok?"



posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 10:11 AM
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right but they are refusing to OFFER contraceptive on their healthcare plans for their non religious employees
and this does become an issue as it has already been determined that the contraceptive pill is a crucial part of womens health care
and many churchs get government aid for their healthcare (they arent paying for it the government is GIVING them money to pay for it and theyre saying they dont want to use the money they were GIVEN on it)

its the fact that it has already been determined this is a necessary part of healthcare plans and the church is refusing to OFFER it on their healthcare plan

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posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by charles1952
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I haven't been able to see the Church forcing anything on anybody in this matter. Aren't they only saying "Leave us alone, don't force us to do something against our religion by a new regulation. You guys just stay over on your side of the wall of separation, ok?"


Walls are a great idea! Just like in Northern Ireland we can have graveyards built with walls below the ground in order to keep those pesky Catholics from getting too close.



posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 10:15 AM
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Sorry, it's a metaphorical "wall of separation between Church and State." It's a big slogan in the US whenever the Church tries to affect the nation. I don't see why it shouldn't be used to protect the Church from the State.



posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 10:42 AM
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because this isnt an attack on the church

lets frame it this way instead
my religion is against any kind of surgery therefor i am going to refuse any kind surgery (and there are religions like this btw) to any of my employees regardless of weather or not they prescribe to the same ideology

would you not throw an absolute fit about how backwards that is?



posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 11:44 AM
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Normally, I love reframing questions. It gives us a new way to look at a problem and that's normally what's needed in resolving confusion. At any rate, I hope you can resolve my confusion.

The difficulty I have with your reframing is that the Church isn't forbidding any of it's employees to use contraceptives, or even have an abortion if they want to. The employees have been, and will continue to be, free to take any medical action they may choose. In fact, a Catholic hospital will perform an abortion in a life threatening situation.

The Church is simply saying don't order us to start paying for it. Don't force us to take a step that revolts our conscience. It's not like we are doing something illegal and you want us to stop, that's one thing. But to force us to start doing something that is clearly abhorrent, unconstitutional, and violates every principle of religious freedom, nope, we're not going there.

If I've missed your point, please try again. Note my signature.



posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by sirhumperdink
they are refusing to OFFER contraceptive on their healthcare plans for their non religious employees

Because it's against their religion to be involved .. IN ANY WAY .. with birth control. It is considered a grave sin. Punishable by Hell. And they are not allowed to help others 'commit this sin' either.


anthis does become an issue as it has already been determined that the contraceptive pill is a crucial part of womens health care

No it's not.

BTW ... the people who work in Catholic Church hospitals or in Catholic Church schools can still get their birth control. All they have to do is go to any Planned Parenthood, or any city clinic, or any other doctor or hospital .. heck any gas station or drug store will sell a condom for 25 cents.


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posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 04:20 PM
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While I am enjoying the video, he makes respect for authority and law righteous. There is no laws, there is no authority. There are virtues. I don't respect pyramid systems and their laws are mainly crimes. So, that is a no go! I respect equality and empowerment of the people with real educations and virtues, basic common laws being there for those who don't seem to get this as you couldn't live anywhere and violate them, there would be posse's after you if you harm someone.

But most of their laws are harm and I don't appreciate them sitting in charge of any country. They serve the opposite of Love, evol, by the fruits of their work.
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posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 04:27 PM
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Now these issues shouldn't even be impacting on the Church. Because, contraception is a medical thing, and birth control is a right under the pursuit of happiness, unless you are a guy and don't get this. But I don't really need a constitution to tell me that, I know that already, AND I knew that when I was attening the Catholic Church, as do many already who attend and even of their more outspoken feminist nuns.

I don't support abortions, at least not past the first trimester, however, I don't think that any Church has the right to run any hospitals.

They need to get out of medical care, and stop blocking access to birth control.

I do not consider abortion birth control. The rights of the unborn child do need to be strongly figured into the equation.
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posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by TheGuyFawkes
reply to post by freakjive
 


your probably right, but does anyone know his email? i think emailing him would be good for venting some of my problems with the government


president@whitehouse.gov

www.wikihow.com...



posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 04:30 AM
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reply to post by charles1952
 


because they arent paying for it
the government is paying for it
therefor they have no say in the matter
period

"dont tell us what we have to do with the money you give us!"
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posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 05:20 AM
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Dear sirhumperdink,

I've not heard anyone claim the government is paying for it. I have heard that the insurance companies will be made to pay for it, if that's what you mean. But if you have any links showing the taxpayers will pay for it, please let me know. (Although, I don't know how much more taxpayers can pay.)

But if that's the case, there are still problems. Many institutions self-insure, so the Church will still have to pay for the coverage in those cases. Also, the insurance company, if they're made to pay for it, will pay for it from premiums they collect. Who pays the premiums? Some are paid by the Church.

Best wishes,
Charles1952



posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 05:28 AM
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"but this isnt the church meddling in the state
its the state meddling in the church, saying either be a hospital and obey the law, or dont be a hospital
tits or gtfo "

(looking for sources now but thats not the core of my argument... ill post later if i do find them)
doesnt matter
if your religion requires you not follow the law
then you will suffer the consequences
im sure you take issue with sharia law yes?

this is essentially the same thing
the church demanding they be held to a different standard than any other business in the country
(the church is a business and a tax exempt one at that)

you dont want to provide the legal requirement for your employees well.... you can suck a fatty

or is it perfectly alright for me to pay only $4 an hour to my employees because im the one paying them and should be the one making the rules because of that as long as theyre willing to accept that pay (even if they dont have a choice in the matter)
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posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 05:34 AM
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The Padre' rocks!
That video made lol out loud!



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