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Originally posted by Soshh
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Originally posted by Soshh
He admitted as much himself. It was even used in his defence. Have you been living under a rock?
Have you? Obviously he would say that if it meant more lenient charges. Just because it has been established, doesn't make it true in the least.
I mean, really put some thought into this for just a brief moment. The guy said he was mentally unstable, so you believe that he is mentally unstable? Who the hell would ever say that they are mentally unstable? And is this something that a mentally unstable person would do? No, it isn't. In fact, it is pretty damn sane if you ask me, considering that the whole American machine is virtually psychotic these days.
Read the chat logs.
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
I'm not going to waste my time. I already know why people make the "mentally unstable" claim when it comes to harrassment by the state. It's not as if I haven't experienced it myself before.
Originally posted by Soshh
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
I'm not going to waste my time. I already know why people make the "mentally unstable" claim when it comes to harrassment by the state. It's not as if I haven't experienced it myself before.
Oh no mate I'm sure that you're very experienced indeed. It was all part of his clever scheme. Tell your new internet friend that you think that you're a girl and your daddy beat you up, that'll get you reduced charges. Simply brilliant.
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
I'm not exactly sure of what you expect from his situation. The guy just got charged with over a dozen crimes against his country, so why would he be shown to be anything other than a nutcase?
I'm smart enough not to fall into some debate trap about the guy who I know or care little about, hence why my whole thread is not about him.
But as you can see, my original observation has evolved into some thread about Manning.
Just because people say its a crime, does not make it a crime. I will grant the premise that crimes have occurred, and we know this because we have sent member of our military to court martial. Secondly its not a conventional war
Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by Xcathdra
Just because people say its a crime, does not make it a crime. I will grant the premise that crimes have occurred, and we know this because we have sent member of our military to court martial. Secondly its not a conventional war
Killing civilains is a crime... Its just that the US has the biggest stick atm and that is why they get away with it.. Do not forget the Nuremberg Trials. One day soldiers may well be held to account for there actions. The Geneva convention lays it out plain and clear that civilians are not to be attacked. Heck it even covers torture. The US is complicit in war crimes.
That is not in dispute among the international community.
What is sad about it all was the geneva convention was layed out to stop the same thing that happened in ww2 from happening again. Well it did happen again. Between 1-2 million people have been killed for economic reasons.
Bradley Manning reported war crimes and is a true American patriot.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Mannings lucky the prosecution is not seeking the death penalty, which was an option for him since we are at war when the info was leaked.
Every single charge leveled is justified in my opinion. Hopefully the Jag corp wont screw this up.edit on 24-2-2012 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by jonnywhite
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
I don't get how you don't understaind what "aiding the enemy" means. We were in Afghanistan and Iraq. You don't realize that releasing this information might cripple our activities in those countries?
You don't think that somebody on the other side might use this information against us?
Why do you think that that citizens of the US are the enemy? What makes you think that?
I'm not following you. Not understand your argument.edit on 24-2-2012 by jonnywhite because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Originally posted by ImpartialObserver
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Originally posted by ImpartialObserver
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Originally posted by TsukiLunar
Yay for betraying our military and putting our operatives at risk! Huzzah!
Wouldn't it be nice to know what your soldiers are fighting for ...
What is the difference between a Warrior and a Soldier?
A warrior fights for the sake of fighting (and this can range from physical to even political or psychological). A soldier fights for some kind of external satisfaction, such as acknowledgment, nationalism, or profit.
Not sure what that has to do with anything though.
I would say that a warrior fights for something that they believe in while a soldier fights for something that they are told to believe in.
So you would call Manning a warrior because he believed in what he was doing?
Originally posted by morpheusxxz
Sometimes I just get too confused with what Manning did. Releasing the classified documents indeed could have aided the enemy country. But again when I see the Collateral Murder, I wish to see every bad thing done by the government that is marked under CLASSIFIED label. There are some people who support Manning for what he did because they care for people who are victim of these wars and there are some people who are somewhat close to the govt and the laws who know how severe crime Manning did.
It is very hard for me to say anything considering both sides. But what I can see is that it is actually the government (or some ill people inside it) who are responsible for all this. Manning leaked files and there is a jurisdiction under which he is being treated but who is to police the government for killing the innocents?
Accusing Manning and penalizing him won't make much difference as I believe there are more such people who want to expose the bad side of the governments. And even exposing this bad side won't make much difference as they will keep killing innocent lives as there is no one to watch & judge their actions. The only solution I can see is to eliminate corruption and bad people out of government.
Originally posted by Frogs
Where I'm lost is the aiding the enemy charge. Oh I agree, that when wiki-leaks made them public they aided the enemy because anyone could get them (including AQ, etc). That would be aiding the enemy.
But, it wasn't Manning that made them public. It was Wikileaks. So shouldn't Wikileaks be the ones facing that charge? Is Manning ending up facing it because they couldn't get to WikiLeaks?
Any person who–
(1) aids, or attempts to aid, the enemy with arms, ammunition, supplies, money, or other things; or
(2) without proper authority, knowingly harbors or [protects or gives intelligence to or communicates or corresponds with or holds any intercourse with the enemy, either directly or indirectly;
shall suffer death or such other punishment as a court-martial or military commission may direct.
Originally posted by Drezden
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Mannings lucky the prosecution is not seeking the death penalty, which was an option for him since we are at war when the info was leaked.
Every single charge leveled is justified in my opinion. Hopefully the Jag corp wont screw this up.edit on 24-2-2012 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)
The U.S. public would never have allowed manning to be executed, and the military knows this.