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posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by mrperplexed
I thought this might be a topic of interest to some. I am in the unique position of being a former business partner with an influential top 2% net worth family. I had access to their personal lives in a very candid way, and other "elite" families as well. I am no longer in association with them, but I thought this would be a unique opportunity for me retrospectively answer any questions, dispel myths, and validate speculation on the on goings of how a family with this much influence conducts their lives.

I have no agenda for this, other than to, through your questions, see if I can retrospectively shed a new light on my tenure and hopefully connect some dots that I myself are having a hard time with.

I will not mention the family or any personal details that will lead to identity - so don't ask specifics.

But other than that - It was a hell of a ride, so ask away!

edit on 24-2-2012 by mrperplexed because: grammar


Just one question.. on the second line..

Are you full of #?




posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by Evil_Santa
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Nope, I'm not an alter-ego and i'm not referring to a NDA. I'm referring to separation agreements, and like the OP said - he was strong-armed into giving everything away. I have a 5 page ( 10 point font, 2 collums on each page ) that has pretty much the language i described to you in my previous post, from a previous employer because I was a server administrator there and had access to their code.

In my experience, corporations do this a lot to protect their image and bully their former slaves into never shining a bad light on them, and I wouldn't be surprised at all the people the OP is describing engage in the same type of contracts. It's a bullying scheme. "You say anything that could damage me, and i'll make sure you pay those damages 10 fold!"

However I make no attempts to hide myself online and it wouldn't take someone a lot of effort to connect the dots with my username, communities and figure out my real identity. The OP is a bit more anonymous, and people in this thread have failed to respect his request to remain anonymous, so it's not surprising that he's shut-down further questioning.

I'm also not protecting the OP, but trying to give you an insight into a different perspective on why the OP may not be able to divulge detailed information. Deny ignorance, eh?
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I know your real name, its Kris Kringle and I also know where you live but I'll keep that to myself for now.



posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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That's the point isn't it lol. One thing I learned from my father is how to insult someone without them even knowing it. I have a very wierd sense of humour. You're not obligated to pay heed to my posts though, and neither is the OP. Also, it is common knowledge in military circles that you do not address someone who works for a living as "sir." You can inference all you want from that. Business types make me wary.
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posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 04:14 PM
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This is my first posting, and just felt compelled to add my own experience with the elitists I've encountered and befriended in my life and believe I have pertinent knowledge and a willingness to be an open book for questions. As being my first post, I wanted to start a thread, but other than the introduction section this is my only option. Both experiences changed the way at an early age as to how I would go about my life and gave me a unique perspective that not many I know have. I by no means want to hijack the thread, just add because most here obviously are very curious as to who these people with massive wealth are, what makes them tick, and what makes us different from them. I would say obviously greed is the basis for their motives but many other factors of course as well but all self serving. Everything here is verifiable and feel free to ask any questions you may have.

One of my experiences is with Morgan Lindbergh, great grandson of Charles Lindbergh, and the other is Charles T. Wickersham, of Wickersham Ford Dealerships in SE Texas and Wickersham investments. Charles owned several international grain elevators(Elco) and industrial plants in Houston. Charles was also close friends and business allies with the reclusive widow Nelda C. and the late H.J. Lutcher Stark, who by far is the wealthiest family in South Texas. I met, befriended and co-mingled with many of his network of friends and associates ranging from the Bush family to Ted Turner, Phyllis McGuire of the McGuire sisters, Chuck Norris, Wayne Newton, many Texas senators and judges, congressman such as Charlie Wilson and many others. His children were Liz Wickersham, CNN host Showbiz today as well as Playboy playmate and friends with Fidel Castro and Dr. Jean Wickersham, one of the first women neurosurgeons in the U.S., currently in La Jolla, CA. His other children, (there were many, were all doctors, dentists and business people). Where he wouldn't consider himself an elite, (he told me his net worth was around 100 million), and said he was small peanuts compared to his friends whos fortunes could not be quantified.

My first experience with Charles T. Wickersham, who as of 2007 is deceased, began when I was 18, (31 now) and was hired as his personal assistant ei. bag boy/servant. I worked for him for four years, and spent more time with him than anyone else during that period, being on call 24/7 and travelling the country as well as daily being at his side. I became like a grandson to him and lived the life of luxury, with a paid condo, $1000 week cash stipend, company vehicle, american express card, use of his exotic cars, paid full tuition to University education and had daily insight into his dubious as well as philanthropic business practices.

I had a roomate, 19 at the time, who was also in his employ and his sole job was to maintain the custom built French squadron yacht that is moored in front of his mediterranean villa on Pleasure Island, Texas. His duty was to make sure the boat was equipped and ready for any spur of the moment excursions as Charlie liked to have business meetings there. Charlie loved women, having 7 ex wives and countless mistresses even at 73, was very charming yet also strangely perverse. He enjoyed living vicariously through us, and would mentor us and promoted our sexual promiscuity. For example my roomate and I were even sometimes pressured to host young girls and women to have parties on the boat, and would slip us $100 bills to give to the girls to go topless and nude and would give us $200 at a time to make sure plenty of weed was on hand for them. It was a regular duty to set him up with girls for sex in exchange for money, and would pay for escorts for us as well when in Vegas as well as our accommodations with penthouse suits in the Paris motel as well as the Bellagio.

On Pleasure Island, and surrounding area I had accounts/tabs at most every local business in the area, and one of our rooms in the condo served simply as a liquor storage, with four fridges and bottles of every booze one could imagine as well as a fully stocked cabinet of cuban cigars. Needless to say my roomate and I were playboys, and at the time the lifestyle was a dream, an illusion and simply unreal at times. I have travelled to Chicago to just to personally inspect a $40,000 french stove for him that he ended up passing on for a $60,000 german one, I attended the Ft. Lauderdale boat show as invited VIP guests from Sunseeker, only to have a power lunch and tour, then fly home. I've attended dinners at private mansions that make Hugh Hefners place seem small, (he was also a friend of Charlies.) and much more.

I will answer any questions, with detail, and will also tell the story of living in a cabin on Morgan Lindburghs' property in Rochester, WA, and the interesting story behind the relationship with his family, their ties to the Rockefellers, 911 and more if this is something you guys want to hear.



posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by mrperplexed

Originally posted by VerityPhantom

Originally posted by mrperplexed

Originally posted by VerityPhantom
What's the easiest way of getting rich in this paradigm you and the elite have created? I want to know so I can exploit it and start doing some good for the world!


Serve their interests in a way that makes them money - which in turn you get a piece of.


Okay good answer so far... So what exactly are their interests?


Preserving wealth, and staying positioned to be ahead in emerging industries


Okay on a roll here... So what are the "emerging" industries?



posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 08:46 PM
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Well. What was their opinion on the American economy and what routes did they take to protect their investments? Did they ever joke about shtf? What was their overall personality type, optimistic or pessimistic? What were their motivations? What was their attitude toward the poor?



posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by willz0072002
I will answer any questions, with detail, and will also tell the story of living in a cabin on Morgan Lindburghs' property in Rochester, WA, and the interesting story behind the relationship with his family, their ties to the Rockefellers, 911 and more if this is something you guys want to hear.


I'll pose to you the same question I posed to the OP. Did they reveal to you any contingency plans after the eventual demise of the major fiat currencies?
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posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 08:48 PM
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I would have to guess on natural gas. You see commercials about what natural gas can do for you, you see how badly they need workers, and from a friend who works on one he tells me they found a major reserve of this natural gas.



posted on Feb, 25 2012 @ 09:22 PM
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Do "elites" sometimes keep certain family connections in the dark or very very loosely connected. Such that those relatives are anything but wealthy and rarely, if ever, given a hand up. And is this on purpose? It seems like the "elite" would keep better records of the family tree and such. Do they keep track of the distant branches, even if those cousins don't know about them in turn?

I suspect that they do. And the only reason I could think of is that it keeps churn going and prevents some part of the so-called bloodline from going stale, keeps part of the "family" grounded in some way. The biggest reason I could think of is that it's very useful for political convenience. (Ply the long neglected "family tie" card only if somebody scraping by manages ascendency in some regard, either if they build a business from the ground-up or get into a position of government power.)

The reason I bring this up is, if you ask enough people of humble means or even look in your own family and go back about 5 or 6 generations... Somewhere along the line is what could be considered a family connection somewhere.

*Elite is in quotes, because the only thing they have up on the rest of us is the abilty to readily direct and manage resources. Power comes from a state of mind, and is only something that can be given or taken if individuals will it. Imagine what would happen to the so-called elites if nobody played their game anymore.



posted on Feb, 26 2012 @ 02:47 AM
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I hadn't wrote about Morgan Lindburgh yet, but he is a black sheep in the family. He lives off his trust fund, and while does attend yearly family meetings, he is excluded from many of the inner workings of the family. This is mostly because against the families wishes, spoke with reporters when it was new that Charles had another secret family overseas. He was shunned from then on, and moved to Washington to attend Ramptha in Yelm, and tried to live out of his families shadow, but still suckled from the tit and was very careful what he did not to upset any of them further. When 911 happened he was involved in the Spirit of America foundation, and did it for the sole purpose of getting back into the families good graces by showing he was "doing something". I believe it was because every business venture he attempted failed miserably and he was desperate to get financial support again because after 15 years of only receiving trust funds (which I know were quite substantial based on the things I watched him do with his money) but basically sold himself out in hopes of being brought back into the "circle".

Morgan definitely was aware of SHTF, he attended Ramptha, who is all about NWO, building bunkers, storing food etc. He knew there was imminent collapse coming, but only played the part of an aware average person but it was obvious he didn't really take it seriously. I lived on his property for a few years and watched him buy thousands of dollars of food, but didnt store it properly and it spoiled, he bought veggie diesel machine and left it out in the rain. That sort of thing. He knew he didn't have to worry because the family would cover his ass when things went downhill.

Charlie Wickersham on the other hand was oblivious to the future, and that is likely because of his age. He told me he had the drive to be wealthy because he went through the depression and his parents were working class people who struggled and he over achieved due to his fears of not having, and chasing the process of accumulating wealth. He never spoke of SHTF or the like. We were very insulated from what was going on in the world (at least I was) and he was more concerned with local commerce in the state than on a global level.

Attitudes toward the poor..well Charlie Wickersham looked down on any uneducated person. He traveled the world and loved other cultures but if they were a minority with a doctorate or was a successful business person, then he would respect them. If they were working class, poor, uneducated, then yes he would treat them as subordinates. In fact I quit this job because I fell in love with a girl from a rural area with a poor family and he detested me not seeing a college girl, and ultimately lead to her and I moving from Texas altogether. He was very manipulative and would take away my rewards if I wasn't doing what he approved of. He was very hard on his children and they are all very well educated (hence the neurosurgeon daughter), and the one daughter from a woman who was just a mistress ended up being one of his secretaries and only in the final 10 years of his life even admitted she was his daughter. Very strange the way these people regard family and people in general. I also left because I was very hungry to learn his secrets, watch how he worked deals, and as much as I'd ask, he would almost get irritated as though he felt It was irrelevant because I'd never reach that level of success. He wanted my roomate and I to go to school, be normal underlings of his and only achieve a certain level of success because it was as if he already sized us up and we weren't of the calibur to reach what he would respect and see and more an equal. That is likely because my roomate was from a oil field working family and I was an artist raised by a single mother on welfare. I resented this type of treatment, and had huge aspirations but was only given enough to sustain. I really ended up hating the man in the end because the sweet charismatic person I thought he was..was a complete illusion, and after the years saw a cunning, selfish and cutthroat person who in the end died alone and lonely.

As far as family members getting a hand up..yes with morgan definitely the case, and with Charlie as well. The one daughter out of wedlock was never accepted, and he had an alchoholic son I never knew existed until he showed up one day at the office. He came there for money, and on the way home I being always curious, asked about it and he was simply disgusted by his son and was quite angry for days after that. As if the son showing up to ask for money tarnished his self worth as a person and it made him furious.

And what you think about "keeping track" of distant family, that is true in both cases. While Morgan was outcast, he was close enough (being a grandson) to be needed. For what I assume is for future "taps" to use them to further their family agenda. Charlie didn't have the elite mentality because he was self made.



posted on Feb, 26 2012 @ 03:08 AM
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This dried up real fast.

I was hoping, but there is nothing here.



posted on Feb, 26 2012 @ 03:33 AM
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I was hoping as well, because I wanted to see correlations with these individuals I've come to know, and the TRUE elite families. I must point out that Charlie Wickersham is NOT an elitist but an upper 1% er, maybe not even that, and there's so many of them including celebrities and the such that they do not possess anything near the power and wealth true elitist have. I would say the Lindburgh family is not of the caliber the OP is supposedly referring to either, although they are closer to that definition and not in terms of wealth but name recognition and close relationships to true elite families and I just wanted to elaborate more on the mentalities of these people because they all share very similar traits as far as family structure, attitudes toward working class citizens etc. and now wish I was able to have just started a counter thread to this one because that was a total cop out tease the OP started. After a taste of the level of a 100mil lifestyle and mentality personally I am quite interested in learning how these 20 or so families that have wealth that cannot be correlated into dollar amounts because is so vast, how they live day to day, yes what do they drink, where do they send their children to school, what do they know and do they all share the info with eachother in some way? It's fascinating to me to no end.

A good documentary was done by one of the Johnson children of Johnson&Johnson, and very interesting video but I do not believe even that family would have any real insight into the agendas and true nature of TPTB.



posted on Feb, 27 2012 @ 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by willz0072002
I was hoping as well, because I wanted to see correlations with these individuals I've come to know, and the TRUE elite families. I must point out that Charlie Wickersham is NOT an elitist but an upper 1% er, maybe not even that, and there's so many of them including celebrities and the such that they do not possess anything near the power and wealth true elitist have. I would say the Lindburgh family is not of the caliber the OP is supposedly referring to either, although they are closer to that definition and not in terms of wealth but name recognition and close relationships to true elite families and I just wanted to elaborate more on the mentalities of these people because they all share very similar traits as far as family structure, attitudes toward working class citizens etc. and now wish I was able to have just started a counter thread to this one because that was a total cop out tease the OP started. After a taste of the level of a 100mil lifestyle and mentality personally I am quite interested in learning how these 20 or so families that have wealth that cannot be correlated into dollar amounts because is so vast, how they live day to day, yes what do they drink, where do they send their children to school, what do they know and do they all share the info with eachother in some way? It's fascinating to me to no end.

A good documentary was done by one of the Johnson children of Johnson&Johnson, and very interesting video but I do not believe even that family would have any real insight into the agendas and true nature of TPTB.


Thanks, willz0072002, for sharing your stories. At least, they sound genuine. The OP bailed when he knew he could not sustain the illusion. I do not understand that mentality.

It's too bad old Wickersham would not mentor you. That would have been fascinating, to be taught the ropes by someone like that.

Talking about the REALLY rich & powerful Elites -- I remember an interview (this was years ago) of a woman who had been married to a man in that category. (I can't remember the name right now -- I'd have to google the story to see what came up.)

She recounted a story where she was present when her husband was infomed by phone that he had just lost 95 million dollars. He did not react. It was like nothing significant had happened. Her husband never mentioned it to her again. She did bring it up to him because she did not want to pry into his business affairs.

In another story, she said she was un-nerved by the silent, invisible presence of servants everywhere in the house. If she threw a sweater on a chair, she would turn around and find that someone had carefully folded it without making his presence known. They were paid to be silent & invisible, yet available at all times for any request. According to her, it was creepy.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by willz0072002
This is my first posting, and just felt compelled to add my own experience with the elitists I've encountered and befriended in my life and believe I have pertinent knowledge and a willingness to be an open book for questions. As being my first post, I wanted to ...


blah blah blah...

Hats off to you Mr. Typer. This thread is truly a twisted and multi-faceted deception. Sign into your own thread with a new "tell all" persona! Bravo!

Did you plan all of this ahead of time or did you just come up with it when the first ruse fell through? I choose to believe you are wonderously devious and had this whole thing planned from the beginning (all the way back three or four other usernames ago).

And in that case; you, sir, have earned my respect.



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 07:30 PM
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I'm surprised this thread hasn't been closed yet?!



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 10:28 PM
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Are they members of Bildeberg?

Have they been to Bohemian grove?

Do they hate America?

Do they have lot of guns?

: I fed the troll skeptics I'm sorry.



posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 11:21 PM
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Hey..lol.Nice jab!. I am really sorry the other guy who started the thread was a douchebag but you are wrong. I am real, and verifiable, and it sucks to spend the time writing all that about my experiences with no intent but to at least give a small bit of substance to this otherwise fake thread only to have someone bash it as some bs. I have anything ya want to back up my claims so dont run off at the mouth before you have a clue.



posted on Mar, 11 2012 @ 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by willz0072002
Hey..lol.Nice jab!. I am really sorry the other guy who started the thread was a douchebag but you are wrong. I am real, and verifiable, and it sucks to spend the time writing all that about my experiences with no intent but to at least give a small bit of substance to this otherwise fake thread only to have someone bash it as some bs. I have anything ya want to back up my claims so dont run off at the mouth before you have a clue.


Don't let them get to you. We generally lash out at the thing in others that we find most at fault in ourselves (i.e. - if we're full of sh*t, we tend to rail against those we believe to be full of sh*t).

Be well.



posted on Mar, 17 2012 @ 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by willz0072002
Hey..lol.Nice jab!. I am really sorry the other guy who started the thread was a douchebag but you are wrong. I am real, and verifiable, and it sucks to spend the time writing all that about my experiences with no intent but to at least give a small bit of substance to this otherwise fake thread only to have someone bash it as some bs. I have anything ya want to back up my claims so dont run off at the mouth before you have a clue.


Mr. Typer:

Come now... I've praised your devious mind. Why lash out at poor little ole me?

But, I must point out, you've had plenty of time to fabricate...errrrr... I mean find in a box in your attic... a butt load of proof. So, let's see/hear it.

Or are you just not as special as mommy made you believe?

Love and Kisses,
35F



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 06:59 PM
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3dwhatever..

Without spouting off babble why dont you engage some dialogue that (if you're correct) would make your last few posts justified? I think if I were the other guy, and fabricated this, I couldn't imagine picking some obscure people such as the two I shared my experiences with. To have your foot placed in your mouth would be worth the effort on my part to provide any proof of my story that would satisfy your blatant skepticism..although I am figuring that it very well could be impossible based on the fact that rather than ask any questions to quell your accusations youd rather sit back and believe what you want and are not interested in hearing anything otherwise. Thats not only ignorance in action but very self defeating as I would assume you're on this site for knowledge rather than forum trolling because if it's the latter then there's plenty of other sites to troll where you can do whatever it is that trolls do and have more willing participants than here.

So...what would you like to know?? Need pics? w2 forms? I tried to PM you but it wouldn't allow me to based on the fact this was my first post...





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