$15,OOO,OOO,OOO,OOO fraud exposed in UK House of Lords, page 3


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reply posted on 24-2-2012 @ 07:45 PM by kwakakev
reply to post by 00bil




Only 1,507 tonnes of gold has been mined in the history of the world, so you cannot have 750,000 tonnes


This is a contentious issue. In one report there has been 10 000 tonnes of Gold mined just in Australia over the past 150 years. www.surbiton.com.au...

One accounting of the global stock of gold puts it at 140 000 tonnes. www.onlygold.com... . I assume this does not include the gold that has been used in manufacturing and jewellery and just includes current bank reserves.

With all the misinformation going around associated to this case it is going to take a lot of work to sort it out.


reply posted on 24-2-2012 @ 07:54 PM by Deetermined
Originally posted by HighMaintenance
I did wonder if this had anything to do with the Fulford/Wilcox story. I'll admit that I did start reading Wilcox's article but life got in the way and I didn't finish it, so I guess this weekend will be spent reading all the relevant links. Thanks to all those that provided them, especially Maponos for the
hansard, I find it far easier to take something in if I read it rather than 'listen' to it. And apologies again as I see this is a duplicate thread. I'll be posting there when I've caught up to the rest of you .


Here's a quote from Lord James Blackheath inside the U.K. Parliament link that you provided in this post.

Mr Riyadi has sent me a remarkable document dated February 2006 in which the American Government have called him to a meeting with the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, which is neither the Federal Reserve nor a bank. It is a bit like "Celebrity Big Brother". It has three names to describe it and none of them is true. This astonishing document purports to have been a meeting, which was witnessed by Mr Alan Greenspan, who signed for the Federal Reserve Bank of New York of which he was chairman, as well as chairman of the real Federal Reserve in Washington. It is signed by Mr Timothy Geithner as a witness on behalf of the International Monetary Fund. The IMF sent two witnesses, the other being Mr Yusuke Horiguchi. These gentlemen have signed as witnesses to the effect.


"The IMF sent two witnesses, the other being Mr Yusuke Horiguchi."

Here's a brief that was printed by the IMF on July 23, 2002:

Horst Köhler, Managing Director, made the following statement today on the appointment of Yusuke Horiguchi as First Deputy Managing Director of the Institute of International Finance:

"Yusuke Horiguchi will be missed by all his colleagues at the Fund when he leaves us towards the end of the year. His selection as First Deputy Managing Director of the Institute of International Finance is an important new challenge, for which Yusuke is extremely well qualified. We will miss Yusuke as a colleague but look forward to working with him in his new position.


www.imf.org...

So, Yusuke Horiguchi leaves the IMF at the end of 2002 to become the First Deputy Managing Director of the Institute of International Finance, but Lord Blackheath has him listed as a signed witness for the IMF on a document dated February 2006?
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reply posted on 24-2-2012 @ 11:08 PM by Anon77
reply to post by HighMaintenance



Eh? 750,000 tonnes of gold???

This guy is nuts, up to 2010 the total amount of gold ever mined was estimated at 166,000 tonnes. It's rare stuff, not as rare as platinum but still...


reply posted on 25-2-2012 @ 01:37 AM by mr10k
Looks like it's a scam...



Scam Involving Yohannes Riyadi and/or Wilfredo Saurin November 2007

The Federal Reserve is aware of a fraudulent scam involving individuals using the names Yohannes Riyadi and/or Wilfredo Saurin, or persons claiming to be representatives of these two men. In a typical version of this scam, Mr. Riyadi and/or his delegates falsely claim that they have on deposit with the Federal Reserve Bank of New York several U.S. Treasury Checks issued to Mr. Riyadi amounting to billions of dollars. The Federal Reserve Bank of New York has been contacted by several brokers and financial institutions worldwide inquiring about the validity of this fraudulent account documentation, which is being offered as collateral for lines of credit or other types of asset based financing. The fraudulent scheme includes multiple documents which purport to have the signatures of various Federal Reserve officials, including Chairman Ben Bernanke. In some instances, individuals involved in this fraudulent scheme claim to have met with Federal Reserve officials and claim to have verified that the alleged account is in order. We have also learned that the fraud may include the purchase of certain documents by the introducing brokers. If you have information regarding this fraud please contact either Robert Amenta, Special Investigator at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, or Erik Rosenblatt, Senior Special Agent at the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement.


Source:
www.ny.frb.org...


It appears to be a scam. But I think just the alias is being used because the info this man gives purporting there are legal documents showing the money in the HSBC.

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reply posted on 25-2-2012 @ 02:05 AM by kwakakev
To sort this mess out, lets start at the beginning, is it plausible that this amount of gold existed in the first place?

There was a good post somewhere about this with crust and ocean percentages of gold content around. From
www.webelements.com... there is:

3.1 ppb of weight of gold in the Earth's crust
0.05 ppb of weight of gold in sea water

The mass of the Earth is approximately 5.98×10^24 kg, en.wikipedia.org...(geology)

Therefore for the Earth's crust, 3.1 x 1 000 000 000 = 3.1 grams of gold per 1 000 000 000 ton

The Earth has 5 980 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 grams of matter

Therefore, there is 3.1 * 5 980 000 000 000 000 grams of gold in the Earth

= 18 538 000 000 000 000 grams of gold in the Earth
= 18 538 000 000 tonnes of gold in the Earth

This calculation is done under the metric system, if anyone have a better calculation then please present.

This does not include the gold in the sea water which will become economically viable once free energy is available.

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reply posted on 25-2-2012 @ 02:08 AM by TheMindWar
reply to post by HighMaintenance



Apparently the rich indo-china chap had been giving money to the USA for a number of years to prop up the dollar. The trillions lent were due to be paid back on, you guessed it, Sept 11 2001.


reply posted on 25-2-2012 @ 06:54 AM by Power_Semi
Originally posted by kwakakev
To sort this mess out, lets start at the beginning, is it plausible that this amount of gold existed in the first place?

There was a good post somewhere about this with crust and ocean percentages of gold content around. From
www.webelements.com... there is:

3.1 ppb of weight of gold in the Earth's crust
0.05 ppb of weight of gold in sea water

The mass of the Earth is approximately 5.98×10^24 kg, en.wikipedia.org...(geology)

Therefore for the Earth's crust, 3.1 x 1 000 000 000 = 3.1 grams of gold per 1 000 000 000 ton

The Earth has 5 980 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 grams of matter

Therefore, there is 3.1 * 5 980 000 000 000 000 grams of gold in the Earth

= 18 538 000 000 000 000 grams of gold in the Earth
= 18 538 000 000 tonnes of gold in the Earth

This calculation is done under the metric system, if anyone have a better calculation then please present.

This does not include the gold in the sea water which will become economically viable once free energy is available.

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Whether that amount of gold has ever existed or not is completely and totally irrelevant to the issue.


reply posted on 25-2-2012 @ 07:19 AM by GreatScot
Originally posted by GreatScot

... as I feel this is the start of a hostile takeover of nations worldwide ...



Takeover now?

Almost ALL the Nations of this Planet are owned - lock, stock and barrel - by the Rothschilds,
since 200 years ago, at least.

(inhabitants included)

"Follow the money" someone wisely said...


Yes indeed follow the money and it shows they have been busy and this quote sums it up.
Originally posted by ignant
As of back in the year 2000, there were seven countries without a Rothschild-owned Central Bank:

Afghanistan
Iraq
Sudan
Libya
Cuba
North Korea
Iran

Then.......... along came the convenient terror of 9-11 and soon Iraq and Afghanistan had been added to the Roths bank list, leaving only five countries without a Central Bank owned by the Rothschild Family:

Sudan
Libya
Cuba
North Korea
Iran

The only countries left in 2011 without a Central Bank owned by the Rothschild Family are:

Cuba
North Korea
Iran



Yes and the money suggest that the Global banking cartel is at war with rogue factions of the banking group, This is no more than positioning of castles to enable the second phase of New World Banking. This is were I start to panic as the outcome always places power to the few and this could be the start of a global uprising against a common enemy of the elite us.

But no point in telling anyone what to expect as we all know already deep down inside we've known for a while that the world ain't right we see it everyday that's what drew us to A.T.S. I just hope one day we all admit it and do something to fix it.


reply posted on 25-2-2012 @ 09:22 AM by JBA2848
If you truly want to see where trillions of dollars are at play with no accountability then you need to look at Hillary and what she is doing at USAID. Hillary has been funding the new supply chain for Walmart in South America. Whats so important about that? Thats a war on China for raising their minimum wage. China told Walmart were raising your cost Hillary went into action. Then you have the Dominique Strauss-Kahn / Nicolas Sarkozy shut down. The lead in NATO was given to Nicolas Sarkozy. He has waited a longtime for it. He had made many plans for when his time came. He did Bush's bidding to get it. He had all the power coming his way. Not just control over NATO and the ability to start wars in Africa but he had placed people in charge of the money from the international banking system used for all the money donated for any cause in any foreign country. Namely the IMF and the World Bank. Dominique Strauss-Kahn president of the IMF got framed by Hillary to take him out of postion to tie the hands of Nicolas Sarkozy. Robert B. Zoellick president of the World Bank decided to save himself and play ball with Hillary after all Robert B. Zoellick has a long history of being in the middle of the # before the # hit the fan. The scam came from the Bush / War on Terror steal all the money under secrecy. Hell he did a good job. Ever wonder where the FBI was when all the money was stolen from thhe banks? Doing their biggest bust and investigation ever in their history. What was that case? Puerto Rico. The FBI got sent on a mission to get rid of them while they robbed the banks blind. Over half the FBI was in on this case leaving the FBI under maned all across the US. But back to the IMF and the World Bank. What is so important about them? All the money from USAID goes to the IMF or World Bank to be paid to the country that USAID gives money to. Most of the time the money never gets spent on what its upposed to be for. They say most of the money being spent is going to millitary purposes. Thats how you end up with a Spring Uprising being funded secretly. We now have two millitary industrial complexes. The one you know about the US Millitary and the other SOCOM / the Black / War on Terror. And don't forget when Obama took office and said he was going to put the War in Iraq and the War in Afghaninistan on the books because Bush never had them on the books. The millitary gave half of their budget to USAID to keep it off the books. It still goes to the same place just found a new route through Hillary. And don't forget Hillary has created a new boardroom full of Global Corporate Giants to plan all the moves being made by USAID through Hillary. The Millitary, Homeland Secruity, USAID, and many other government agencies all being ran by board members. How nobody even causes a stir while shes doing it is beyond me? The one thing everybody seems to be complaining about corporate giants running our politics and banking system but nobdy complains when they take over the military USAID Homeland Secruity, the CIA, FBI you name it there now listening to group of board members in a new office being ran by Hillary.
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