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Let's Cut to the Chase - Iran Must Be Stopped

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posted on Feb, 26 2012 @ 06:40 PM
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Elect Ron Paul and he'll yank all the Israeli free money from the US and tell them to handle their own wars.


Ron Paul will see to it that any sick fanatics in the middle east who want nuclear weapons will get them.

Sounds like a GREAT plan!




This isn't the US's war.


You know nothing. Have you not read the reasons why getting rid of Iran’s nukes IS IN THE US’s BEST INTEREST.

Just stick to your theme! No need to be rational!
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posted on Feb, 26 2012 @ 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by mayabong

Why do you care so much about Israel? Lets hear it.


If your best friend or family member (Israel)
had A CRIMINAL stick a gun to there head
and you walked out from around the corner behind the criminal mugger
and saw them holding a gun to your friend or family members head,
would you not also put a gun to the back of the criminals head?
Would you at least try to stop them before they killed your friend or family member?

If you wouldn't then a worm has more of a back bone then you.
Maybe now you understand the situation America is in
we are not going to let our loved ones be bullied and murdered!

We are home of the brave you worms!!



posted on Feb, 26 2012 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by TheAnswerTo1984
 



Discouraged? The only argument you have is that we need to carpet bomb Iran because reason A or reason B. Look at the above post claiming that anyone that disagrees with said poster hates Jews. That's called attacking the argument?


I never suggested that at all…you’re making stuff up now.

Read the OP, read the sources I’ve quoted and watch the video….IT’S ALL in the OP.

Don’t make this about me or who you perceive me to be. You can’t dismiss this thread so easily. Nobody is falling for that tactic. Nice try though.

As a matter of fact, just a few posts ago I explained the threat to America posed by Iran and you have yet to answer. Stop trying to dismiss my argument and just tell me how Iran is NOT a threat in the ways I've suggested. If you can't then I guess I'm right!

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I was questioning the validity of this thread and quoting another poster stating that we must all hates Jews.

As to your point, I'm guessing you're talking about how Iran can cut off American oil? And I responded to that multiple times by stating that 32% of the oil we use comes from North America as well as by stating the reality of drilling in Alaska instead of bowing knee to big oil and middle eastern interests.

Whatever happend to simply using diplomacy as an option? I'm sure if you lifted all the sanctions on Iran and started talking to them like human beings instead of constantly threatening them like animals they'd be more open to... opening their doors? This absurd notion that we need to bomb anyone back to the stone age that has a disagreement with how we police the world is extremely dangerous and I think it is that (mentality) which is more to be feared than some "rogue" nation that (in reality) is only a threat to itself.



posted on Feb, 26 2012 @ 06:46 PM
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Iran has outgrown the need for Western guidance in it's affairs. US failed to realize this since 1979.

The fearful opinions expressed about Iran in this thread are the perfect results of mass media propaganda.
Jacques Ellul's Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes.
en.wikipedia.org...:_The_Formation_of_Men%27s_Attitudes

Men put under the spell of propaganda always deem themselves well informed. What's happening is that men are exposed to certain channels of propaganda while distancing from others - this inevitably leads to the extreme xenophobia so prevalent when it comes to the topic of Iran. We have been conditioned to absorb the propaganda, to internalize it but not to question it.

It is called agit-prop. It makes you excited thinking to send bombs on foreign countries. That is what agit-prop is used for. Americans are getting a nearly lethal dose of it.

Yet the message board is the only outlet left for the man put under the spell of propaganda. We were never intended to take action (praxis) on any of this propaganda... nor was it the main purpose of the propaganda to expect us to formulate new opinions about it. The target population, meaning all of us who were exposed, were meant to be riddled by the fear of terror lurking around every corner.

There are two concepts in propaganda, agitation and integration. There are many different uses and they are not all bad. It would be hard for modern society to function without some aspects or characteristics of propaganda.

From page 41 of Ellul's Propaganda:

A person listens to a particular propaganda because it reflects his deepest unconscious convictions without expressing them directly."


From page 47 of Ellul's Propaganda:

Because he is immersed in current affairs, this man has a psychological weakness that puts him at the mercy of the propagandist.



posted on Feb, 26 2012 @ 06:47 PM
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We know pleanty Seabiscuit.

We even recognize the sign for Tammuz on the chest of your Avitar. Live by the Sword and die by the Sword.

Use nukes and be nuked.


Or invade a country protected by a nuclear armed state and watch the glow over Israel, as they all know where the problem lies.


You just can't stand it that the US doesn't want another war, and we tell ya so. No more Wars with Christians dragged into the middle of some crazy problems that the Zionist initiated. imho


Everyone knows the Zionists-----they can't fight their own wars and their game is to bait someone else into a war. Zionists are manipulators and always dishonest. imho


Now the tables will be turn-----if there is to be a war-----the Zionists become the first strike in any conflict for Iran.




edit on 26-2-2012 by MagnumOpus because: Zionists bait others to fight their battles----turn the tables



posted on Feb, 26 2012 @ 06:47 PM
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Somehow you have ties to Israel either by blood or religious beliefs.

PS. I believe I saw someone else say they trained with the IDF on this thread. Did you accidentlly reply with the wrong account?


Well you’re wrong…again…but it doesn’t matter.

My affiliations have no bearing whatsoever on the argument I’ve made. Iran is what it is (and what its leaders say it is) and that’s what I’ve pointed out. You and your ilk keep trying to make this about me and the fact is…I PERSONALLY have no influence on the situation. If I did, I would have taken the Iranian leaders out (YES…KILLED THEM) and removed all of their nuclear assets (yes…even the ‘energy’).



posted on Feb, 26 2012 @ 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by jjjigga
. oh wait, then you'll say to me america is the only nation that used nukes.. well it was to end a world war and save many more lives. there.



It also used them on Pacific Islanders and their own soil. The French used them on Pacific Islanders too, and the Brits used them on the Aussies. I'm sure the Russians used them on other Soviets too.

I think that, along with Iran being stopped, everyone must be stopped. There is no need for these weapons anywhere.

All it takes is for countless brave people to stand up to the small-penis warmongers (compensators), on every side of the argument, and say "Enough. Enough of the killing and the lies and suspicion and hatred and death and intolerance. We all have family and have experienced what love feels like. We need to share the love, especially with those who are hated and we need to prove that we are bigger than this and can come to common agreements. But, this takes honesty and openness and integrity and I have yet to see a governemnt with any of those. That's why it must be the people that lead this.
War is for fools and tools. Love is the way forward".

Yes Seabag, especially love for those we hate, for those we hate rationally and irrationally. That is why I am standing up now and saying "I love you Seabag". For it would be easier to say "I hate you" and then we would begin bickering, get posts deleted and one of us would be banned. That's not constructive. Love is the way. Death will come to us all, and after that we are worm-fodder.

The time for love is now. Love Iran. Love Isreal. Love the U.S.A.

But most of all, love one another. We are all a lot more similar than the sum of our differences.



posted on Feb, 26 2012 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by TheAnswerTo1984

Whatever happend to simply using diplomacy as an option? I'm sure if you lifted all the sanctions on Iran and started talking to them like human beings.


Can a human sit down
and have a conversation
with a savage beast?
Never, that savage beast is
only going to either
a. eat you
b. kill you for the hell of it..

Diplomacy does not work with animals
third world savage beast can not
intelligently negotiate. If it was
so Iran would of stopped their nuclear
bomb making initiatives long time ago.



posted on Feb, 26 2012 @ 06:58 PM
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You just can't stand it that the US doesn't want another war, and we tell ya so. No more Wars with Christians dragged into the middle of some crazy problems that the Zionist initiated. imho


That’s an extremely presumptuous statement. You’re completely WRONG…again.


The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted Feb. 8-12, 2012, among 1,501 adults, finds substantial partisan differences over how to deal with Iran’s nuclear program.

The public supports tough measures – including the possible use of military force – to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons. Nearly six-in-ten (58%) say it is more important to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons, even if it means taking military action. Just 30% say it is more important to avoid a military conflict with Iran, even if it means that country develops nuclear weapons. These opinions are little changed from October 2009.


This part is most important for you to understand!


. Nearly six-in-ten (58%) say it is more important to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons, even if it means taking military action. Just 30% say it is more important to avoid a military conflict with Iran


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posted on Feb, 26 2012 @ 07:06 PM
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If a rogue nuclear state is allowed 400 nuke bombs, then all are allowed nuke bombs.

Or disarm the rogue state and the others likely won't have a problem.


In the mean time, no more US wars to support a rogue nuclear state having nuclear weapons.

No more US wars for Zionists that tend to hate everyone and use many via manuplations and dishonesty.



If the Zionists need to attack Iran, the US can watch the show, and not lift a finger to support those associated with killing JFK for those rogue nuclear weapons.

Zionists fight their own battles and if they can't then live with what they started via their own rogue nuclear weapons projects then suffer the Cold Wars that everyone else learned about the liabilties of nuclear weapons.

Traitorist Zionists walk alone. imho

Require all Zionists to register as Foreign Agents in the US and all the Zionist Lobby to be expelled from the US for reasons of US national security.

And Vote for Ron Paul and regulate the Zionists extremes out of the US Politics and off its shores.




edit on 26-2-2012 by MagnumOpus because: Kick out Foreign Agents working the US



posted on Feb, 26 2012 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
This part is most important for you to understand!


. Nearly six-in-ten (58%) say it is more important to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons, even if it means taking military action. Just 30% say it is more important to avoid a military conflict with Iran


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You just quoted the US INSTITUTE FOR PEACE to support your arguments for military action



posted on Feb, 26 2012 @ 07:09 PM
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Traitorist Zionists walk alone.


Actually NO! They walk with 6 out of 10 Americans as I just pointed out!!


You need to think about these posts before you hit ‘reply’. You’re spewing your ‘opinion’ and trying to pass it off as ‘fact’, which it most certainly IS NOT!



posted on Feb, 26 2012 @ 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
You just quoted the US INSTITUTE FOR PEACE to support your arguments for military action


Well that should tell you how LAME the argument in support of a nuclear Iran is!


People who want PEACE know that IRAN must not be allowed to have NUCLEAR WEAPONS!

You’ll catch on soon…hopefully.

Here is another link to the poll. Maybe this is less humorous.

PEW RESEARCH
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posted on Feb, 26 2012 @ 07:18 PM
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Well, looks like things involving Iran might be coming to a head as the US announces an aerial blockade on Syria, that is I can't see Iran letting its ally Syria to fall.

www.ynetnews.com...



posted on Feb, 26 2012 @ 07:48 PM
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I know the stigma about GB (Beck) on ATS but don’t be a fool by dismissing what he’s says. I’m a firm believer in listening to all explanations and trying to make sense of the whole thing on my own.

If you have 10 minutes to listen I urge you to do so. This might shed a little light on the reason why the Middle-East is so contested and why Iran can not be allowed to toy with the economies of the world. In essence, we are fighting WW3 right now and this explains part of the reason (not ALL but part).

(I can’t embed it but here is a LINK)

This is why Iran’s power MUST be kept in check. Whoever controls the resources controls the world (the world’s economies). This isn’t about the evil US because ALL nations with any clue have been fighting for their place in this puzzle for a LONG time.

Don't say 'I told you so' and then go back to defending Iran because they are playing the SAME GAME!!!
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posted on Feb, 26 2012 @ 07:50 PM
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Ha, ha, you'll make everyone laugh at you. A Pew survey, really?

Pew is Sun Oil, big oil in league with the Rockefellers and Rothschilds. They are into religion funding and they make polls say anything you want them to say.

Pew funded the John Birch Society, along with Rockefeller, and one of their members, HL Hunt the big dallas oil fellow, was the ring leader that killed JFK in league with Zionist extremist Louis Bloomfield. The John Birch Society was the heart of the Mil/Ind Networks games that took on Eisenhower and JFK, and their Foreign allies were the Bilderbergs.

All Pew is going to back is big oil, mil/ind network games of the CIA, and making more cover ups in religion. imho


Pure garbage poll supporting Rothschilds.

Only a real Zionist scammer would toss out Pew as a source for anything. imho

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www.seekgod.ca...

Their involvement in issues traverse the political, banking, economic, religious, educational and environmental affairs. The desire for wealth and power is not restricted to those mentioned in this article, like J. Howard Pew, Nelson Bunker Hunt, but many more in the oil and commodities industry and others who sought the same things Rockefeller did.

Some authors suggest that the Rockefellers are merely a front for the workings of the Rothschild's. It should be noted that all banking and economic systems are interconnected as are those families involved. Each is a cog in a very large wheel.

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posted on Feb, 26 2012 @ 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by ALF88

Do I care about his/her opinion? No. Because I know it is a lie, but I will repeat the truth until the thread is either dead or closed.


"Truth"? You want the "truth"? You can't handle the Truth!
- some guy in some movie

People were all too willing to trash the intel capabilities of the CIA over allegations of WMDs in Iraq, but now, since you think they are saying something they are not, you suddenly do an about face and present them as the paragons of virtue in intel matters, the Keepers of the "Truth"?

Seriously?

BTW, the article doesn't say what you claim to think it does. I read it - for comprehension instead of spin - and it doesn't say that. It says CIA is saying that iran is not "buliding a nuke at the moment". It FURTHER says that Iran is keeping that option open and on track by enriching uranium beyond the need for peaceful purposes. Read it again - for comprehension this time.



By the way I had a chance to talk to "Zbigniew" yesterday and he said Israel stands alone if the want to attack Iran



Quoted as a further example of your brand of "truth".

Did you two have coffee, or beer over the discussion table?



posted on Feb, 26 2012 @ 08:23 PM
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I think you should not expect the rest of the world to look at the issues with your degree of tunnel vision toward all the issues. Iran resists Usury, and they have oil, and they are socialist alliances with China and Russia. An Iran attack is chipping away at those alliances, but the larger associated issues are Zionism and Rothschild have the same Babylon Talmud pro-usury game plays. They are the enemies of Socialism and Islam, and technically that same system is linked to the economic oppression of the US, its loss of Freedoms, and the exploitation of its citizens.

The major world problem is the Babylon Methods, the games of Usury--aka the US Fed Res., the games of Zionists to help the Rothschilds get to those that resist their Usury Banking controls over the world. They want to play kings, and the rest of the world seeks equality and a more level access to economic prosperity.

Iran is but one small part of a bigger game, and don't think for a minute that everyone isn't looking at the longer term goals for what side to back or sit down and watch the show.

There is zero reason for the US to dig itself deeper into war debts for a corrupt religion that seeks to use and abuse the US over Usury. Iran doesn't like Rothschilds and the US needs to do what the Constitution said and always have the money under the control of the Govt itself, so all that huge profit returns to the people.

That system is also more in line with the values and the methods of the Essene and the Social system that Jesus belonged.

The People of the US don't need to support the system of their oppressors. JFK wanted to transition out of the Fed. Res. with his US Note as part of his methods to return the USA's economic freedom.

So, no wise person should lift a single finger to help the Rothschilds plans with Zionist in any way shape or form.

Let the Zionists and Rothschild fall together and get both out of the US. imho

The US doesn't need exploitation trying to get it into another war, drive up the debt, or other bad ideas.

No US support for Zionists to attack Iran. Fund you own war and waste your own childrens lives for nothing but the evil of money by those seeking to play king.



posted on Feb, 26 2012 @ 08:24 PM
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Regarding the banner you posted:

Sorry but that picture means nothing.Someone could have manufactured it to get exactly the kind of rise this thread is espousing. As you can see in the pic above its very easy to do. That said, it could be fake. Why would they print that in English anyway? It makes no sense.
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posted on Feb, 26 2012 @ 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by openminded2011
Why would they print that in English anyway?


Kind of obvious.

The obvious sometimes is right in front
of us but we are to blind to see it.

Like when your in love you can be
blinded by the most obvious things, you just
can not see it because your blinded by love.

The obvious answer would be because
they wanted people who can read English
too see it...

Here is your sign.
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