Let's Cut to the Chase - Iran Must Be Stopped

If this thread is making
anyone to start hating
Iranians then they need
to exit it immediately..

Although we do HATE the Iranian
government no doubt about it.
They are savages for one,
executing undesirables,
hate jews, and are developing
a nuclear weapon to kill us.
No bones about it the IRANIAN
government must be stopped.
No one hates Iranian people

reply to post by popsmayhem


thank you...that I can respect. although I disagree based on the facts.

Originally posted by casenately

they couldn't go into a MILITARY site.

they could go into the nuclear sites.

They have not violated anything. It never said anywhere in NPT that they had to reveal all state secrets.


Actually you would be wrong -

The site in question, Parchin, is a military base where part of their nuclear program is based. The agreement states they will allow inspectors to all sites that are connected to the civilian program.

Since a bulk of their sites fall within military zones / bases, in addition to being under the control of the IRGC,, thats nothing but a convenient excuse for Iran to use in order to stall. Again this was pointed out in the post that linked back to the IAEA / NPT requirements on the UN's website.

Originally posted by casenately

they couldn't go into a MILITARY site.

they could go into the nuclear sites.

They have not violated anything. It never said anywhere in NPT that they had to reveal all state secrets.

Actually you would be wrong -

The site in question, Parchin, is a military base where part of their nuclear program is based. The agreement states they will allow inspectors to all sites that are connected to the civilian program.

Since a bulk of their sites fall within military zones / bases, in addition to being under the control of the IRGC,, thats nothing but a convenient excuse for Iran to use in order to stall. Again this was pointed out in the post that linked back to the IAEA / NPT requirements on the UN's website.

reply to post by Xcathdra


are those the ones that are underground?

It's a shame they feel so threatened that they have to build underground. It makes the threats being made against them counterproductive to assessing their capability.

Maybe we should just let the UN deal with this instead of the US and Israel threatening to bomb those sites.
They might have felt inclined to build in broad day light.

reply to post by casenately


Uhmmm the UN is handling it and the US / Israel have nothing to do with IAEA functions.

If Iran wants to fix the mess while showing the US / Israel the middle finger, then resolve the issues and hold a press conference saying I told them so.

The game they seem to be playing with the IAEA serves no purpose other than to keep friction / pressure on high in the region.

ETA - thank your for making the build comment.. It reminded me that was actually another issue. Iran was building facilities for their nuke program and not disclosing the location to the IAEA as required.

According to reports published in Russia, apparently based on information developed by the Russian Federal Security Service, Parchin, 30 kilometers south-west of Tehran, is the site for the implementation of a variety of defense projects. Parchin is the center of the Defense Industries Organization (DIO) is chemical industry (production of explosives, fuel, etc.), and, possibly, the home of the main producers of the OGHAB and NAZEAT missiles

A small arms and ammunition plant at Parchin has been in operation since before the Second World War, although very little solid information is available about the post-Revolutionary Iranian arms industry. On 25 August 1999 Iran�s Defense Ministry opened a new chemical factory capable of producing previously imported explosives. The new factory, with a production capacity of two tons per day, opened in the presence of Defense Minister Vice-Admiral Ali Shamkhani in the Parchin Chemical Complex.

www.fas.org...

chemical facility, not nuclear. Iran is being patient, but they can't disclose national defense secrets.

The IAEA was given access to Parchin on 1 November 2005, and took environmental samples: inspectors did not observe any unusual activities in the buildings visited, and the results of the analysis of environmental samples did not indicate the presence of nuclear material

en.wikipedia.org...

P.S.

and
The US is calling for sanctions and threatening, sending carriers and troops to surrounding areas. That is not very conducive to honest diplomatic relations.

Iran is building a high security uranium enrichment facility using gas centrifuges near Natanz. This site is about 40 kilometers southeast of Kashan and about 150 kilometers north of Isfahan. The IAEA has characterized the centrifuges at this site as sophisticated and the culmination of a large, expensive effort.

Iran has demonstrated a capability possessed by only about ten countries. Because of the characteristics of gas centrifuges, the Iranian facility could be used for the production of low enriched uranium for civil purposes or highly enriched uranium for nuclear weapons, depending on the decision of the Iranian government.

Because of the nature of this site, a large military strike would be necessary to destroy these undergound buildings. Other information about Iran's centrifuge program suggests that even if the Natanz site was destroyed militarily, Iran's decentralized gas centrifuge program could not be bombed out of existence, meaning that Iran could relative rapidly build a small gas centrifuge facility that would be extremely difficult to detect

isis-online.org...

so it could be used for highly enriched uranium, or not

we are back to square one. At that point. We need to just rely on the diplomatic community. We are not 100% dead on psychics

By the way did I mention that they dont have a nuclear weapon and that they dont develop any and that therefore this whole thread is disinformation, producing hatred and fear. The OP is a government shill with an evil agenda.

U.S. Agencies See No Move by Iran to Build a Bomb

www.nytimes.com...

The UN and the IAEA are pretty worthless organizations when they can't even inspect Dimona and find 400 nukes in Israel.

Any citations that involves these two worthless groups is worthless noise.

It becomes exceptionally out of place in the Iran issues.


The Israelis promissed to blow Europe off the map with their Samson plan. Start inspections with a known arsenal of nuclear weapons that threatens Europe. imho


It would appear this subject is infested with persons that like to ignore the obvious and more pressing problems on nuclear proliferation. I wonder where they are from and who they appear to be working?

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en.wikipedia.org...


archive.newsmax.com...


www.carolmoore.net...


ISRAELI NUCLEAR THREATS AND BLACKMAIL
The Samson Option Still Threatens the World
by Carol Moore,

Originally posted by ALF88
By the way did I mention that they dont have a nuclear weapon and that they dont develop any and that therefore this whole thread is disinformation, producing hatred and fear. The OP is a government shill with an evil agenda.

U.S. Agencies See No Move by Iran to Build a Bomb

www.nytimes.com...

edit on 25-2-2012 by ALF88 because: (no reason given)

Hey seabag, I am on here a lot anyway, can you get me a job as a paid cointelpro?

You'd think if Iran wanted to start a genocide against Jews that it would first kill the 25 thousand plus that live in their own borders right?

Yeah..

~Tenth

reply to post by casenately


NPT Treaty Obligations - Article III

1. Each non-nuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty undertakes to accept safeguards, as set forth in an agreement to be negotiated and concluded with the International Atomic Energy Agency in accordance with the Statute of the International Atomic Energy Agency and the Agency’s safeguards system, for the exclusive purpose of verification of the fulfilment of its obligations assumed under this Treaty with a view to preventing diversion of nuclear energy from peaceful uses to nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices. Procedures for the safeguards required by this Article shall be followed with respect to source or special fissionable material whether it is being produced, processed or used in any principal nuclear facility or is outside any such facility. The safeguards required by this Article shall be applied on all source or special fissionable material in all peaceful nuclear activities within the territory of such State, under its jurisdiction, or carried out under its control anywhere.

IAEA Protocols - Section 3
Starting at section 51

Such citations are worthless and show how worthless the UN and IAEA are, when they can't apply the same rules to Israel.

Inspect Israel first and foremost, or see the IAEA be considered what it really is----worthless toward the major and real nuclear proliferations problems in Israel. imho

reply to post by ALF88


ALF.....I F-in love you.....


ROTFLMFAO

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
You'd think if Iran wanted to start a genocide against Jews that it would first kill the 25 thousand plus that live in their own borders right?

Yeah..

~Tenth

Really? Hitler didn't start killing of the Jews until a few years after he was in power and knee deep in a war. Then again I guess we were all fooled by Hitler because he kept telling the world he only wanted to bring peace and prosperity to Germany. Even after violating the treaty of Versailles, Hitler assured countries is was for peaceful purposes.

Appeasement was the name of the game.... Diplomacy.. They did not need war, the Diplomats had it all under control. Discussions were held, agreements / proclamations were announced...

Poland... Czechoslovakia, Austria, Lithuania, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg etc etc - all wiped off the map.

It was not until after the war broke out did European countries realize they had been had, and they paid a steep price for that short side mistake.

Of course that was during WWII and not today..
Ahmadinejad is not Hitler..
Iran's adamant the program is peaceful, and with it being the 21st century we should take him at his word of course.
Its not like the Iranian government is issuing ultimatums to other countries, its the 21st century after all.
Its not like Iran has not gone on a massive spending spree to upgrade and improve their military.. Hitler did the same thing and assured countries it was just modernization and nothing more.....


yeah...

reply to post by MidnightTide


Seabag works alone...No need for associates...they might rebel ...And they cost. lol:

reply to post by rebellender

How did those poor hostages feel?
Can any of us ever know?
You know who might be able to tell you though?
Think of some poor Arab who was labeled a terrorist by one of his angry neighbors and 'sold' to the Americans and has now spent four or five years in Guantanamo Bay. Betcha they could tell ya.
Evil evil Iranians

Originally posted by MagnumOpus
Such citations are worthless and show how worthless the UN and IAEA are, when they can't apply the same rules to Israel.

Inspect Israel first and foremost, or see the IAEA be considered what it really is----worthless toward the major and real nuclear proliferations problems in Israel. imho

edit on 25-2-2012 by MagnumOpus because: Garbage Citations that don't deal with the major proliferation issue

I see we have people who are special...

Israel is not part of the treaty.

Iran can withdraw from the treaty if they want to build nukes.

Not a difficult concept to understand, or so I thought....


Then again I guess I can see why people are constantly blaming Israel. A country that is 40 miles wide was able to hold off Arab army's from countries 100+ times larger than Israel. Im not really sure why Israel even needs nukes, since they demonstrated time and again Arab countries were no match militarily.

Jealousy can really change a person....


ETA - After reading through several threads now dealing with ME issues i've noticed we have a lot of blank accounts that are newly created. Surely people wouldn't sink to the level of creating multiple accounts in order to support their own argument under a different screen name?

Originally posted by Puck 22
reply to post by rebellender

 

How did those poor hostages feel?
Can any of us ever know?
You know who might be able to tell you though?
Think of some poor Arab who was labeled a terrorist by one of his angry neighbors and 'sold' to the Americans and has now spent four or five years in Guantanamo Bay. Betcha they could tell ya.
Evil evil Iranians

NOPE SORRY,
Nice try, go fish off the back of somebody else's boat
Your boat holds no water and you dont have a freeking clue what your talking about.

OBAMA Syndrome is running rampant and you are the victim

Obama Syndrome is an apparently paradoxical psychological phenomenon in which [Obama Supporters] express empathy and have positive feelings towards their captors, sometimes to the point of defending them. These feelings are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims, who essentially mistake a lack of abuse from their captors for an act of kindness. The FBI’s Hostage Barricade Database System shows that roughly 27% of victims show evidence of Obama Syndrome. The Syndrome is named after the Norrmalmstorg robbery of the office of President in which American Voters were held hostage from August 28, 2008 to November 6th 2012. In this case, victims became emotionally attached to their captors, and even defended them after they were freed from their six-day ordeal. The term "Obama Syndrome" was coined by the criminologist and psychiatrist Nils Bejerot, who assisted the police during the robbery, and referred to the Syndrome in a news broadcast. It was originally defined by psychiatrist Frank Ochberg to aid the management of hostage situations.