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Let's Cut to the Chase - Iran Must Be Stopped

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posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 04:42 AM
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Originally posted by seabag
I have always been against Iran acquiring nuclear weapons but I hoped this could be achieved through peaceful means. However, the more news I read about Iran’s intentions and the more I watch the leaders of Iran thumb their noses at our peaceful attempts at nonproliferation the more at ease I am with backing an Israeli strike to remove Iran’s weapons and regime.

Iran openly and continuously proclaims its intentions to annihilate the Jews yet people still deny this truth:



Just read the words of Alireza Forghani, a former Iranian governor and close ally of the regime.


In the name of Allah Iran must attack Israel...

Today, the first Qibla of the Muslims has been occupied by Israel, a cancerous tumor for the Middle East. Today, Israel is causing division using all evil means. Every Muslim is obliged to equip themselves against Israel. ... and since the potential danger is facing the foundations of Islam, it is necessary for the Islamic governments in particular and other Muslims in general to remove this corrupting material by any means. All our troubles are due to Israel! And Israel results from America too.
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The leaders of Iran continue to spew propaganda to the people of Iran and anyone who will listen. They have been beating the drums of war as leaders from around the world have tried to resolve the issues peacefully. Iranian leaders have been publicly justifying their intent to destroy Israel and people still dismiss it as harmless or try to justify this rhetoric.


The Iranian government, through a website proxy, has laid out the legal and religious justification for the destruction of Israel and the slaughter of its people.

The doctrine includes wiping out Israeli assets and Jewish people worldwide.

Calling Israel a danger to Islam, the conservative website Alef, with ties to Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said the opportunity must not be lost to remove “this corrupting material. It is a ‘jurisprudential justification” to kill all the Jews and annihilate Israel, and in that, the Islamic government of Iran must take the helm.”

The article, written by Alireza Forghani, a conservative analyst and a strategy specialist in Khamenei’s camp, now is being run on most state-owned conservative sites, including the Revolutionary Guards’ Fars News Agency, showing that the regime endorses this doctrine.
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Personally, I am tired of the debate. I’m tired of defending my position of keeping Iran nuke free. I’m also tired of the complete lack of logic from so many here defending Iran by pointing at US actions as justification for Iran obtaining nukes. Anyone still claiming Iran is a peaceful nation is either ignorant or dishonest IMO. My disgust with Iran's cheerleaders is best summed up like this…


I do not expect those who have chosen evil to understand, but again, if they had any dignity, if they had respect for humanity, then they would not support a regime that stones women to death, a regime that rapes and tortures Iranian boys and girls to suppress their desire for freedom, a regime that chops off hands and feet in punishment for stealing, a regime that lashes Iranians as punishment for not adhering to Islamic rules and savagely attacks anyone opposing it. This is a regime that is at the helm of worldwide terrorism in which many of its officials are wanted either by Interpol or courts around the world for terrorist acts and assassinations.
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How is anyone to reason with THIS:



The time has come for Israel to take care of these sick leaders in Iran and prevent the rise of Islamic fundamentalists.


What say you?
edit on 23-2-2012 by seabag because: (no reason given)


Sure stop them, but get rid of the US en Israel nukes to. While your at it get rid of them all.
Nobody should have them.
Just not letting Iran have them is plainly stated hypocritical and insane in my opinion.
So everybody we like should have nukes, but the rest don't have that right?

Get rid of them all, that is the only way to be sure.
BTW we are throwing alot of war talk outthere to, it's not just Iran with the agressive talk.
edit on 24-2-2012 by GrouchyGrouch because: (no reason given)




posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 04:42 AM
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Where do they make these people? Is there a factory that makes people that are instantly brainwashed by propaganda? I don't understand...



posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 04:42 AM
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yo, neocon? go back to your village with that war propaganda. mkay? cool.



posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 04:44 AM
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Originally posted by TheAnswerTo1984
Where do they make these people? Is there a factory that makes people that are instantly brainwashed by propaganda? I don't understand...


I thought these people only existed in satirical American cartoons.




posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 04:45 AM
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I support a crusade to rid the world of all nucular weapons.... well maybe I don't. Because see... people already know how to make them.... then you would have to kill innocent people and burn books and then probably turn everyone into zombies so they could never EVER make a nucular weapon EVER again.... seems like too much work. OH LOOK! American Idol is on.



posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 04:45 AM
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Originally posted by TheAnswerTo1984
Where do they make these people? Is there a factory that makes people that are instantly brainwashed by propaganda? I don't understand...


We all have our own personal view of the world, we should respect those views. How insane and hatefull they might seem.



posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 04:47 AM
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Originally posted by GrouchyGrouch

Originally posted by TheAnswerTo1984
Where do they make these people? Is there a factory that makes people that are instantly brainwashed by propaganda? I don't understand...


We all have our own personal view of the world, we should respect those views. How insane and hatefull they might seem.


Yea... well you may call it "respect" but when my tax dollars are going to bomb habib in his cave for no #ing reason? I have an issue with that.



posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 04:48 AM
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Anyone who thinks Iran just want their nuclear program for power and research is deluded IMO. There is no doubt Iran would want nuclear weapons - it will make them the regions biggest power and immune to invasion. Of course they want this! To deny this and just say Iran wants a peaceful nuclear program is absurd.



posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 04:50 AM
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Originally posted by jonny2410
Anyone who thinks Iran just want their nuclear program for power and research is deluded IMO. There is no doubt Iran would want nuclear weapons - it will make them the regions biggest power and immune to invasion. Of course they want this! To deny this and just say Iran wants a peaceful nuclear program is absurd.


But... it's okay for North Korea to have a nuclear weapon? Oh so it's only bad when Israel is the target but not so much when our other ally the South Koreas are the potential target? Right...

So how many of these Israeli wars do my tax dollars need to fund in the name of patriotism? I'm just curious... because, you know, they're kinda deducted right from my paycheck.... yea.



posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 04:52 AM
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Originally posted by GrouchyGrouch

Originally posted by seabag
I have always been against Iran acquiring nuclear weapons but I hoped this could be achieved through peaceful means. However, the more news I read about Iran’s intentions and the more I watch the leaders of Iran thumb their noses at our peaceful attempts at nonproliferation the more at ease I am with backing an Israeli strike to remove Iran’s weapons and regime.

Iran openly and continuously proclaims its intentions to annihilate the Jews yet people still deny this truth:



Just read the words of Alireza Forghani, a former Iranian governor and close ally of the regime.


In the name of Allah Iran must attack Israel...

Today, the first Qibla of the Muslims has been occupied by Israel, a cancerous tumor for the Middle East. Today, Israel is causing division using all evil means. Every Muslim is obliged to equip themselves against Israel. ... and since the potential danger is facing the foundations of Islam, it is necessary for the Islamic governments in particular and other Muslims in general to remove this corrupting material by any means. All our troubles are due to Israel! And Israel results from America too.
link

The leaders of Iran continue to spew propaganda to the people of Iran and anyone who will listen. They have been beating the drums of war as leaders from around the world have tried to resolve the issues peacefully. Iranian leaders have been publicly justifying their intent to destroy Israel and people still dismiss it as harmless or try to justify this rhetoric.


The Iranian government, through a website proxy, has laid out the legal and religious justification for the destruction of Israel and the slaughter of its people.

The doctrine includes wiping out Israeli assets and Jewish people worldwide.

Calling Israel a danger to Islam, the conservative website Alef, with ties to Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said the opportunity must not be lost to remove “this corrupting material. It is a ‘jurisprudential justification” to kill all the Jews and annihilate Israel, and in that, the Islamic government of Iran must take the helm.”

The article, written by Alireza Forghani, a conservative analyst and a strategy specialist in Khamenei’s camp, now is being run on most state-owned conservative sites, including the Revolutionary Guards’ Fars News Agency, showing that the regime endorses this doctrine.
link

Personally, I am tired of the debate. I’m tired of defending my position of keeping Iran nuke free. I’m also tired of the complete lack of logic from so many here defending Iran by pointing at US actions as justification for Iran obtaining nukes. Anyone still claiming Iran is a peaceful nation is either ignorant or dishonest IMO. My disgust with Iran's cheerleaders is best summed up like this…


I do not expect those who have chosen evil to understand, but again, if they had any dignity, if they had respect for humanity, then they would not support a regime that stones women to death, a regime that rapes and tortures Iranian boys and girls to suppress their desire for freedom, a regime that chops off hands and feet in punishment for stealing, a regime that lashes Iranians as punishment for not adhering to Islamic rules and savagely attacks anyone opposing it. This is a regime that is at the helm of worldwide terrorism in which many of its officials are wanted either by Interpol or courts around the world for terrorist acts and assassinations.
link

How is anyone to reason with THIS:



The time has come for Israel to take care of these sick leaders in Iran and prevent the rise of Islamic fundamentalists.


What say you?
edit on 23-2-2012 by seabag because: (no reason given)


Sure stop them, but get rid of the US en Israel nukes to. While your at it get rid of them all.
Nobody should have them.
Just not letting Iran have them is plainly stated hypocritical and insane in my opinion.
So everybody we like should have nukes, but the rest don't have that right?

Get rid of them all, that is the only way to be sure.
BTW we are throwing alot of war talk outthere to, it's not just Iran with the agressive talk.
edit on 24-2-2012 by GrouchyGrouch because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 04:53 AM
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Originally posted by TheAnswerTo1984

Originally posted by jonny2410
Anyone who thinks Iran just want their nuclear program for power and research is deluded IMO. There is no doubt Iran would want nuclear weapons - it will make them the regions biggest power and immune to invasion. Of course they want this! To deny this and just say Iran wants a peaceful nuclear program is absurd.


But... it's okay for North Korea to have a nuclear weapon? Oh so it's only bad when Israel is the target but not so much when our other ally the South Koreas are the potential target? Right...

So how many of these Israeli wars do my tax dollars need to fund in the name of patriotism? I'm just curious... because, you know, they're kinda deducted right from my paycheck.... yea.


No where in my post did i advocate any war nor did i say Iran should not have nuclear weapons.

I was simply addressing a common theme in posts about Iran that "they just want a peaceful nuclear program". Its nonsense. All countries want nuclear weapons given the chance.



posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 04:54 AM
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Let's cut to the chase! I wish all you warmongering, airmchair generals, who think the wold is one big videogame would do the rest of us a favor and kill each other off. People are not pawns, war is not a game. I am sick of people like you, you are the biggest threats to free society. The rest of us just want to be left alone and live our life in peace.



posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 04:55 AM
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So let me get this straight. America is able to invade any country in the world, set up bases, dictate to their people at gun point, grow drugs and ship them back to America, set up bases... etc. etc. but the second an invaded country doesn't like these actions it's a terrorist attack. Did I get that right? Because, again, as an American tax payer... I'm kinda forced to fund all this "empire building". You know?

So I'm just curious. Is it the president that makes these orders or is it Israel (that country we give everything to and call them allies even though they do nothing for us in return but start more wars)?



posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 04:57 AM
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What we've got here is failure to communicate
Some men you just can't reach...
So, you get what we had here last week
Which is the way he wants it!
Well, he gets it! N' I don't like it any more than you men"

Look at your young men fighting
Look at your women crying
Look at your young men dying
The way they've always done before
Look at the hate we're breeding
Look at the fear we're feeding
Look at the lives we're leading
The way we've always done before
My hands are tied

The billions shift from side to side
And the wars go on with brainwashed pride
For the love of god and our human rights
all these things are swept aside
By bloody hands time can't deny
And are washed away by your genocide
And history hides the lies of our civil wars

D'you wear a black armband
When they shot the man
Who said "peace could last forever"
And in my first memories
They shot Kennedy
I went numb when I learned to see
So I never fell for Vietnam
We got the wall of D.C. to remind us all
That you can't trust freedom
When it's not in your hands
When everybody's fightin'
For their promised land

And I don't need your civil war
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor
Your power hungry sellin' soldiers
In a human grocery store
Ain't that fresh
I don't need your civil war

Look at the shoes you're filling
Look at the blood we're spilling
Look at the world we're killing
The way we've always done before

Look in the doubt we've wallowed
Look at the leaders we've followed
Look at the lies we've swallowed
And I don't want to hear no more
My hands are tied

For all I've seen has changed my mind
But still the wars go on as the years go by
With no love of god or human rights '
Cause all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars "

I don't need one more war



edit on 24-2-2012 by oddnutz because: cause i did



posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 05:00 AM
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I didn't actually say it was wrong. It makes perfect sense from an Iranian point of view. Get nuclear weapons and you are secure.

Obviously for other countries interests it is not preferable and hence why we have this stand off.



posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 05:03 AM
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Well there ought not to be a stand off because they can do whatever the bloody hell they want to do.



posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 05:12 AM
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Yea... well you may call it "respect" but when my tax dollars are going to bomb habib in his cave for no #ing reason? I have an issue with that.


thats the illusion of where your tax dollars are going

The propaganda is just to hide the fact that BANKERS make more in a day of war then they do in a whole year of peace..

This is Just Man Bear Pigs back up plan seeing as how the tax payer is catching on that man made global warming and the carbon tax credit thingy, the bailout scams, and the war on everything else have all turned out to be a great geezilly money grubbing hoax

edit on 24-2-2012 by Danbones because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 05:14 AM
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i know, after I posted i read your response to 1984 which answered my question so i edited my post but took too long as you replyed so i added some good music instead

edit on 24-2-2012 by oddnutz because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 05:15 AM
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I read all the posts here and I have to say that Iran's government needs to be stopped before they nuke the USA.

They are fanatics with delusions of taking over the entire world. They brainwash their schoolchildren to say in class the first thing is "death to America" They are building misslr launchers in venuzeala aimed at the USA. I wonder why.
You need to watch the move Iranium www.iraniumthemovie.com... and wake up.

Israel is doing the world a favor if they take out their nukes. Then their government will fall and the Iranian people who are good people and are terrified everyday like in Syria will be free again.
Iran was behind the bombing of our marines in lebanon ,the blowing up of the US cole and 9/11 but our media doesn't report these things for some reason.
They are not working on intercontinental missiles to hit the US for nothing-thats the factory that mysterious blew up last month.
No one took Japan or Germany serious in the 1930s before they started WW2. Iran in my opinion is the next Imperial Japan.
There is a reason that Saudi Arabia is letting Israel use their airbases to plan the strike against iran. Today 50 bombs went off in iraq-guess who is behind this? yes Iran When my buddies were in Iraq they used to find lots of iranian weapons with the terrorists. As a veteran from the Gulf I say our policy is FUBAR and we better not let another Pearl HARBOR 9./11 happen here in the US. Israel alone can't do the job-the iranians will nuke them as soon as they get the bomb then they will come after US. One nuclear bomb exploding above the middle of the USA will fry all our electronics-you can kiss the internet goodbye as well as your computers and phone and all our technology-but we are all to worried fighting among each other when the real threat is 6 weeks from acquiring nukes -i bet the iraninans are a lot closer to getting a nuke thats why the didn't let the inspectors into their nuke factory yesterday debka.com...
And their president is psychotic



posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 05:38 AM
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Lets cut to the chase, Iran is zero threat to the US. They're as much of a threat as Iraq was, none.




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