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I've never refused to acknowledge contrails are a possibility
these trails that stay in the sky for hours, fanning out into a nasty haze that covers up the entire sky.
I can see a trail being sprayed on the far northeast side of the city, and throughout the ENTIRE DAY watch it slowwwwwwlllly spread out
What's normal & ordinary about them?
I find it most interesting the only responses I've received on my pictures are "those are just contrails" by ProudBird and now you're asking me the same question I asked ProudBird in response?
Why do you guys always disappear when confronted and then another of your crew will pipe up in defense of the outed "debunker"?
I do know the difference between a regular contrail (which I still see from time to time), and these trails that stay in the sky for hours,
You're not a shill because ATS would toss your sorry butt off this site I bet I bet I bet
This world isn't what they want us to believe.
But if anyone still thinks: JFK, Oswald, Marilyn Monroe, RFK, Waco, Princess Diane and 9-11 (just to name only a FEW within my lifetime not to mention the bogus wars.......) all went down like the government and newspapers want us to believe
I simply have nothing further to discuss with you.
You forgot the last step in the process or you left it out on purpose.
Combustion of the material.
Do you think that neutralizing an acid makes it disappear?
I sincerely hope you feel better after your little temper tantrum yesterday.
Combustion, as with the other three processes that I just mentioned, are NOT part of the process of neutralizing an acid.
I wrote a few comments in my post in CAPS for emphasis. I hardly would call that a temper tantrum.
When discussing this topic with boneheads and ego maniacs sometimes it is necessary to add that BOLD text .
So, I hope you realize your mistake now in presuming I was upset or "throwing a temper tantrum" in any way.
I'm glad you quoted that post though, because in the end I was correct and Phage was incorrect.
I never said combustion was a part of neutralizing an acid. That was a very poor interpretation of what I said.
OK, Ben Nye the science guy. You forgot the last step in the process or you left it out on purpose.
Combustion of the material.
Don't you remember basic chemistry from high school?: Acids are neutralized by combining them with a base. If you did that you would no longer have dinonylnaphthalene sulfonic acid to add to your "Stadis-450", would you?
I will assume your are either completely ignorant or you are being facetious.
What I said, to put it into layman terms you can comprehend, is when you put a material through the combustion process, whether it's acidity level has been neutralized or not, you will be left with a by product of combustion.
I disagree! Phage was correct!
There was nothing wrong with my interpretation. I was talking about the neutralization of acids in the post you responded to. Not fuel. I can understand your frustration though. You seem to have trouble focusing.
How does that relate to any of my posts? Here's a clue: It doesn't!
No, he was not correct. If read the pages I linked to the studies showed that when VLF waves hit the ionosphere and electron precipitation occurs it affects atmospheric pressure which has a large impact on weather systems globally.
typically observed at the outer edge of the radiation belt
Originally posted by BenReclused
reply to post by Human_Alien
This world isn't what they want us to believe.
Perhaps not, but your lack of evidence, hostilities, insults, and intentional evasiveness, HAVE gone far in convincing me that the world is NOT as YOU say it is.
My responses to your answers: 1) Many "chemtrailers" DO deny the existence of contrails. I wasn't sure where you stood on this issue. Thank you for clearing it up. Was that an affirmation that what you photographed may have possibly been contrails? 2) In my 50+ years of intense sky watching, I have seen many, many, contrails do that very thing. It is NOT an occurence that is new. That was a HUGE problem for large formations of B-17s back in World War II while flying at higher altitudes. 3) This also is something contrails have been known to do for many, many, years. Do you feel that contrails are incapable of "slowwwwwwlllly " spreading out?
Since you seem to have your panties in such a wad over ProudBird not answering that question, I will: Everything about the trails shown in your pictures makes them appear to be the "normal", everyday contrails that I have witnessed, on a daily basis, throughout my entire lifetime. There are just more of them, than there were years ago.
Regarding your post on page 15: Your phone calls have absolutely nothing to do with validating the trails shown in your pictures. That is a totally seperate issue that demonstrates you are not alone in your beliefs about "chemtrails". What the hell is new about that?
I'm still here, and am happily awaiting your confrontation. Just remember, you're the one that made the claim that the trails shown in your pictures were, indeed, not normal contrails. It is up to you to demonstrate that to be a valid claim. You haven't done so yet, so please continue.
Let's go back to: "I do know the difference between a regular contrail (which I still see from time to time), and these trails that stay in the sky for hours,"
Please state the "difference" that you purport to know. You haven't done so yet.
The second German sighting occurred on May 9, 1919, when a pilot flying over Berlin at about 26,000 feet noticed the generation of a cloud stream that extended for about forty miles behind his plane. This stream eventually spread out to form a cloud layer that was about 3,000 feet thick. The pilot saw a similar phenomenon two days later.
So an airplane at great heights leaves behind it, stretching for endless miles, a visible "wake" composed of ice particles so tiny that they do not fall as snow but remain suspended in the air.
Daily, for example, hundreds of jet planes crisscross the nation or great parts of it, often leaving fluffy contrails of water vapor, manmade clouds, as a signature of their passage.
Some contrails soon dissapate. Others turn into or are soon followed by high cirruse clouds that can and do influence the earth's heat balance with the sun.
The spreading out of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight. Often, when persistent conditions exist from 25,000 to 40,000ft, several long contrails increase in number and gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet.
Then there is the matter of cloudiness. The familiar contrails often left by high-flying planes might persist for a long time under some conditions.
I demonstrated that the quote you took from the Case Orange report is not entirely goobedeegook as you so put it. There "may" be truth to the statement that we are arguing about.
Dinonylnaphthylsulfonic acid is also used as an antistatic agent added to some distillate fuels, solvents, commercial jet fuels, and to the military JP-8 fuel. This is done to increase their electrical conductivity and dissipate static charges to reduce the fire hazard. It is a component of such additive named Stadis 450.