First, let me say that I am so glad you decided to go ahead and repost this. As usual it is brilliantly done and I learned several things that I had
not known previously such as the original BoI agents were made up of secret service personnel. I believe to teach as well as learn is one of the
purposes of this site. I thank you for that.
I could not help but chuckle as I was reading the thread, in that so much of what Hoover implemented over the course of his career we, as American
citizens, still see to this day. The fact that the American government states that they scraped the COINTELPRO program is a farce. Why would they
truly scrap a program that is so effective in achieving the desired result... whether a true result or a false one being painted as truth? They
wouldn't. Say what you will about the man, but even to those who see him as a monster (like I tend to think), he was a master at developing
techniques to bring about a desired result. The fact that the mafia actually used his own techniques against him in order to blackmail him is just a
stroke of brilliance and in fact had me laughing at one point, Karma and all that.
Several things struck me to comment on however as I was reading. You mention this:
See, we know for a fact it, the mafia, does exist today and the very idea that they do not is practically inconceivable to most reading this
thread right now I imagine - ......... It's even affecting the world today in fact although not as much as it did in the lawless years around the
1920's and the early 30's and so on..
Bold emphasis mine.
And this is what they want you to think that they, while still around, have become ineffectual and a shadow of what they once were. The fact that
they were able to tie J. Edgars hands when it came to fighting organized crime providing a smoke screen for them to operate more openly will become
ironic in a moment. After Hoover was no longer around things changed. With Bobby Kennedy's relentless persuit to bring the mob to justice it simply
drove them to find a way to make it look like they'd gone legit, while carrying on business as usual. Case in point, it is one of the worst kept
secrets here in western NY that the 'mob' went legit through the political system electing members of their own to positions of local power, from
there to Albany (the state capital) and from there springboarding to Washington not just in the form of politicians but lobbyists, judges and high
powered attorneys. After all, it's easier to have one of your own in high places than to have to find ways to blackmail them or buy them off, right?
So we see here that again by using Hoover's tactics the mob eventually found a way around Kennedy's efforts to take them down. One has to wonder
what the whole political arena may look like if Hoover were not so paranoid of being outed as a homosexual. I find it amazing that the actions, or
sometimes the in-actions, of one man in power has the ability to bring so many "what if" scenarios to mind.
With the emergence of this new crime organisation they were able to scientifically tie criminals to crime (with the use of the first ever
advanced scientific crime laboratory - Also known as the FBI laboratory) with the use of fingerprinting for example, statistics were kept on
crime, analysis etc.
Bold emphasis mine.
I mention this because just last evening while watching the local evening news here in western NY, our local government wants to take fingerprinting
and add to it DNA collection of people involved with misdemeanors as well as felonies to be input into a database in the interest of "national
security". After reading your thread I thought, J. Edgar would be so proud to know we are today taking his original principals of 'crime
fighting', slapping a new coat of paint on them and calling it necessary in the interest of 'national security'......(
Buffalo News Article
for anyone interested in that DNA collection bit)
At any rate, thanks again for the awesome thread. I cannot wait to see if there is any answer to Timelord's question on possible connections between
big banking and Hoover...do we see a possible Hoover Part 2 in the making?