Obama Adviser Argued: Kids from Big Families Have Lower IQs

Originally posted by wingsfan
has the average IQ level gone up? nope, americans on average are getting dumber and dumber. and that is exactly what people like him want, they are playing for the other team from the inside of ours.

edit on 23-2-2012 by wingsfan because: (no reason given)

Nope. Sorry to tell you--the average IQ level HAS gone up. You need to check your facts before you make blanket statements like that.

Twenty-three years ago, an American philosophy professor named James Flynn discovered a remarkable trend: Average IQ scores in every industrialized country on the planet had been increasing steadily for decades. Despite concerns about the dumbing-down of society - the failing schools, the garbage on TV, the decline of reading - the overall population was getting smarter. And the climb has continued, with more recent studies showing that the rate of IQ increase is accelerating. Next to global warming and Moore's law, the so-called Flynn effect may be the most revealing line on the increasingly crowded chart of modern life - and it's an especially hopeful one. We still have plenty of problems to solve, but at least there's one consolation: Our brains are getting better at problem-solving.

www.wired.com...

I.Q. scores have been rising steadily, by about 3 points per decade, ever since they were first administered. This is known as the Flynn Effect and it means that if we take the average teenager of today with an I.Q. of 100 and project the trend back to the 1900s, the average I.Q. would have been somewhere between 50 and 70. An I.Q. of 70 or below usually marks a mental disability. So, if I.Q. gains are in any sense real, "we are driven to the absurd conclusion that a majority of our ancestors were mentally retarded".

www.thenakedscientists.com...

reply to post by FlyersFan


You really think women having access to birth control is only about pregnancy don't you?

I have a question for you.
Do you know why Viagra was invented for children?

I know people that are very intelligent that come from big families. Sometimes if food is scarce it can cause a lowering of intellect or brain formation though. If the children have proper nutrition, food that matches their genetics, they will develop well mentally. When I speak about genetically proper foods I include differences in diet which takes into consideration blood-types. Many recipes or companion foods need consideration to neutralize foods that contain agglutinates for proper body metabolism.

IQ is the ability to reason. It is also known as common sense which many people lack. Having high knowledge sometimes counteracts common sense by restructuring the brain to memorize instead of processing thoughts to make an array pattern which utilizes more neurons. If you want to be an expert in a field it is important to direct study to that field and this requires interest in that field. Learning things that are not necessary to learn for you're profession can cause a person to lose his IQ or reasoning sometimes.

We have severe flaws in our educational system. We want our young to have broad-form knowledge which causes them to loose their reasoning ability which in turn dampens creativity. I don't care how smart you are, if you have no interest in something you will not learn it. Everyone has different interests and this makes life interesting. I see that the "nutrition Experts" in the school have a lot to learn about food science as related to genetics. I also don't understand the reasoning of most of the teachers out there. I don't think they understand what's going on. The new policy of no child left behind is severely flawed.

So what's a mouse to do. I have been studying hard for five years trying to figure out what's wrong with everything and just recently started trying to figure how to fix it. I would like to help but have no official training or degrees. I would like to contribute knowledge I have gained but without a PHD or MD or even a college degree no one will listen. I have also noticed that with increasing my ability to build an array of thought that my spelling has begun to suck. I now need error correction. I have been focusing on trying to keep my speech from being impaired by this because it is more important to be able to communicate with people of my kind, people I care for, people where I live.

reply to post by GeorgiaGirl


you believe that if you want to. in my personal experience I find people to be significantly less intelligent with each passing day. and though I know "iq" isn't the best measurement in a lot of areas, the general test scores don't lie. we have plummeted dramatically in many subjects, namely math and science. so I have a hard time believing iq is improving mystically in spite of the rest.

not trying to come across as rude or anything, just can't sleep with these damn mice in my house. now those little critters, their iq most certainly seems to be going up. the second generation will not touch traps or poison, will no longer be caught climbing anything (no kill bucket traps), and no longer travel the baseboards. I've sealed every opening possible, yet as soon as I go to sleep, I can hear and smell the bastards scurrying about.

no sleep makes for not the best postings!

Well I don't know how much of the theory is true or not, but I object to the idea posted by some members here that people with lower economic status have more children (and because of mentioned races as well) and that is the reason for the lower IQ. First of all it isn't set in stone that if you are a minority that automatically means you have a lower IQ. The majority of poor in the US are white so that theory is simply bogus and borderline racist, nothing PC about that.

If the theory were true then I would assume (as in no evidence) that the reason would be the diluting of parent/child teaching. In other words if you have more children then most likely as a parent you will not be able to give the type of attention that you would if you had one or two children. Not to mention, chances are you are working longer hours because of the added burden of feeding more mouths which means less contact.

Originally posted by LErickson
You assumed that the study did not understand what intelligence is. You were wrong.

No .. I'm correct. The entire premise that peolpe of big families aren't as bright as those from smaller families is in question. Not just because of the agenda of the source, but because it is well known that IQ tests don't really measure how smart a person is.

know better than to try and brag about their education to prove they are intelligent..

Sour grapes.
YOU tried to say I was unintelligent .. I showed that I do indeed know what I'm talking about.

Originally posted by LErickson
Did you even see BH's post?

Can't miss 'em. She posts that stuff all over the place.
I've been having to go around behind her cleaning up the errors.

Originally posted by LErickson
Are you male?

No. And that's irrelevant.
Obama's numbers .. and so the numbers at that thinkprogress.org place ... are wrong.

reply to post by rickymouse

There ya' go.

Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms
Well I don't know how much of the theory is true or not...

Then lets not talk about theories, but instead just look at observable data.

Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms
...but I object to the idea posted by some members here that people with lower economic status have more children...

And that is observable fact number 1.

Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms
more children... the lower IQ.

And that is observable fact number 2.

Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms
The majority of poor in the US are white so that theory is simply bogus...

Observable fact number 3 is available from the US (because I presume most readers here are interest in that one country) census data.
HERE is just one example of data showing white women have less children and smaller families than black women.

Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms
... and borderline racist, nothing PC about that.

Yeah, thats pretty much what I said in my first post.
Mention the observable facts and you get called racist.

Best we sweep it under the carpet and never mention it ever ever ever again.

reply to post by wingsfan
I'm sorry that my fellow beings are bothering you. Us mice are getting more intelligent. Make sure to leave your computer on so I can chat with them.

Personally, I'd like to see a copy of the I.Q. tests that were administered to these kids from large families in 1973. One of the first things I was taught in certain university courses is that testing bias was rampant (especially on IQ tests) in the past. A poor child with less exposure to an affluent lifestyle will not get the same references on questions that middle and upper class privileged children would know (and assume was common knowledge). That alone makes the findings suspect.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
No .. I'm correct.

You assumed the study did not take something into account.
It did.
You are wrong about that.
Changing the subject is a neat trick.

reply to post by xuenchen


Even if the post title were true, then I suppose everyone in the population theoretically should have a fairly high IQ, after all, the discussion is about population control. So all the surplus brain surgeons, scientists and other scholars will end up flipping burgers and pushing the broom. Somebody has to take the bottom-feeders jobs.

Something is wrong with the idea that the intelligent are more entitled to live because they are intelligent. This is a sick and dangerous belief system. The whole eugenics movement belongs in the garbage because that is where it is leading humanity.

In that book it was suggested that The U.S. Government had the "responsibility" to "to halt the growth of the American population" !!!

America would be so much better off if they would have. Now we have masses of people fighting for resources (jobs, housing, water, schools)

Originally posted by CB328

In that book it was suggested that The U.S. Government had the "responsibility" to "to halt the growth of the American population" !!!

America would be so much better off if they would have. Now we have masses of people fighting for resources (jobs, housing, water, schools)

Makes ya wonder ...

Had they actually implemented something effective ...

Many people who are under 35 might have never been born

Think about it.

Scary.

reply to post by xuenchen


Scary that Holdren is one of Obama's unelected Czars. He thinks that the water supply should be medicated to sterliize people en masse. Who are these people who think they have a right to dictate these matters in such a roughshod manner? Yet these are the eugenics masters running things today. I wonder if Obama even picked him or if Holdren was picked for him.
This kind of thinking was around when Thomas Malthus thought that poor people should be left to die leaving the healther and wealthier a better life.

Even right here on this forum, people who are shamelessy eugenics minded think that handicapped fetuses don't have a right to life.

There are far too many posts in just these two pages stating that the OP is false because "in my personal experience" or because "That is not always true."
The scary thing is that the study already points out this is not always true and will not be the same personal experience for everyone.
I see a huge lack in intelligence when it comes to comprehending what this study actually said.
Ironic, no?