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IRAN - Final Verdict for Christian Pastor - DEATH

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posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by casenately
don't use him to push an agenda. He is a victim of abusive government. Not an evil religion.


• Yet Muhammad himself made it clear that the penalty for leaving Islam was death

www.cmje.org...

• Muhammad also made it clear that the penalty for homosexual acts was death.

www.yanabi.com...

• The penalty for sex outside of marriage, according to Muhammad is 100 lashes.

quran.com...

• Many Islamic jurists however take a harder line and prescribe death by stoning.

The Telegraph: Video of Taliban Stoning Couple to death


Luckily, most Muslims are more moderate than Muhammad himself. The Iranian government do not appear to be moderate.


edit on 23-2-2012 by ollncasino because: formatting




posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 02:32 PM
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Iran is the most developed arab nation in the world. If you choose to belittle them that is your choice. A central bank in an oil rich nation is a money spinner. Try looking past the prejudiced and doing some research.



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by InfoKartel
Iran is Shi'a. Not Sunni. I see the MSM has done a fine job of installing fear in you.



Yet some Shia Hadith also stipulate the death penalty for leaving Islam.

en.wikipedia.org...


I'm surprised you didn't actually read the next paragraph in my post to see that information...


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posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 02:50 PM
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What I find fascinating is that Jesus predicted over 2000 yrs ago that His followers would be hated and killed. Was this a coincidence?



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by InfoKartel
Let there be no doubt that it was the Catholics who went on crusades and inquisitions.


So your point is, just because the Christians did it once upon a time it's ok for Muslims to do it today?

Have you no faith in your fellow Man?



Historians estimate that about 270 million people have been killed by Jihad since Islam came onto this earth.

• 120 million Africans
• 60 million Christians
• 80 million Hindus
• 10 million Buddhists

www.politicalislam.com... For a religion of peace, it has done a lot of killing.



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by nenothtu
 


Iran is the most developed arab nation in the world. If you choose to belittle them that is your choice. A central bank in an oil rich nation is a money spinner. Try looking past the prejudiced and doing some research.


You're the one who made the claim that some "bankers" wanted to "bomb Iran back to the stone age". I'm just agreeing with you, although I don't think it's bankers, or that it would be all that difficult. NOW, after that proposed bombing, what good would a stone age bank be?

After being "bombed back to the stone age", what good would all that alleged advancement be, buried under the rubble as hunter-gatherers clambered over it in quest of ibex with spears?

When did Iran become an Arab nation AT ALL, let alone the "most advanced Arab nation in the world"?

Research indeed.



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by pitchdragon
reply to post by nenothtu
 


i think you did not read my comment... or you deliberately don't want understand it, this is your problem if you want ignore it because the one who write the quote was a military... if it was a secular one he will tell to Rummy's as you say to go to hell ! but he did not.


Do you routinely tell your boss to go to hell because he has a different personal opinion than you do? Now, if that personal opinion starts interfering with business, you may be compelled to challenge it. That was not the case here, precisely because the US military is secular, not Christian. Isolated Christian quotes in private memos had no effect on military policy. He may as well have been quoting Cervantes for all the effect it had on policy.

You're not real clear on how a military functions, are you?



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 03:14 PM
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Dude. You're in IRAN. If you don't like their laws then GET OUT. If you know that the way you want to live your life puts you in danger because of the laws of the land surrounding you, move. I treated Kansas the exact same way and it has worked out thus far.

I don't watch the MSM but I wouldn't be surprised to hear that it turned into a big story. From an outsiders perspective it certainly seems to demonize Iran. They should be allowed to run their country however they want just like any other country.

"Oh no oh no they're killing Christians"

Apparently ATS has forgotten the crusades. I just checked the score board, Christians are still winning by like a gazillion. Also, do you have any idea how many brown people the U.S. kills on a daily basis? We simply don't say it's "in the name of god", but when white people kill brown people it certainly seems that way, huh?
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posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 03:16 PM
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They don't go out of their way to kill Christians; they kill converts. For some dumb reason, abandoning Islam is considered punishable by death. I can understand the reasoning behind this; the government rules through fear, if you need proof of this look at the 2009 riots and how they were handled. Basically, the rationalization behind it is that if we threaten to punish conversion from Islam by death, fewer people will risk converting from Islam. They really don't care if you were born Christian or Jewish or converted to Christianity from a religion other than Islam.

The Iranian people really don't approve of their government, and their government does not correctly represent them. In the same sense that the average American isn't hellbent on obliterating nations, I seriously doubt the average Iranian is hellbent on killing Christians.

I think this was a bad move from Iran's government, especially given that right now they are under a lot of international criticism regarding their nuclear program. Deciding to kill this man because he was a convert and would not revoke his Christianity works negatively in their favor because it further skews public opinion of them, especially from the West.



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 03:29 PM
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Rather than debate you over history, I will back my claim against the Christian Church with John 10:30 "I and my Father are one." If God (Yahweh) and Jesus were indeed one as Jesus states, then all deaths formerly attributed to Yahweh, are also on the hands of Jesus, who happens to be the Head of the Christian Church. I don't believe that any other religion can lay claim to the Deluge, or the fall of Jericho, or the outright massacre of whole races.



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by badfish420
Apparently ATS has forgotten the crusades.


Apparently you are not aware that Islam conquered Spain and Southern Europe.







posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 03:39 PM
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I became a Jedi Padawan when I was 8

I'd have never made it any further than those poor kids did that studied under yoda

It's a good thing that one day Chaim Levi Skywalker will fly Tie fighter right down their reactors poop shot and hit it with a well placed shot.



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by anarky1965
reply to post by nenothtu
 

Rather than debate you over history, I will back my claim against the Christian Church with John 10:30 "I and my Father are one." If God (Yahweh) and Jesus were indeed one as Jesus states, then all deaths formerly attributed to Yahweh, are also on the hands of Jesus, who happens to be the Head of the Christian Church. I don't believe that any other religion can lay claim to the Deluge, or the fall of Jericho, or the outright massacre of whole races.


That's too cool! You're going to avoid debating on history by bringing up... history!

This all applies to a 21st century execution by Iran on religious grounds... how?



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by Shred
Great. Americans, who still execute criminals, are crying because another country has different laws and a different criteria for executing criminals.

Hypocrites.


The crime of the wrong faith and (gasp) TALKING ABOUT IT!? Hm. So buying your way out of personal crimes is good, and assured death for talking about the wrong faith is an offense worthy of death....and thinking that stinks like the inside of hospital incinerator room is hypocritical.
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posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 04:34 PM
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Simply a minor disagreement about historical meaning. Imperialism from Europe Bad.....All other Imperialism is AWESOME. Arabs and Persians are really excellent at creating Empires. You can barely keep track of how many they've spawned. Being bad at it enough that they never stick though seems to get them off the hook with apologists.

You can make Empires by the dozens, but it only becomes offensive if you are good at it.



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
The Iranian people really don't approve of their government, and their government does not correctly represent them. In the same sense that the average American isn't hellbent on obliterating nations, I seriously doubt the average Iranian is hellbent on killing Christians.


I have yet to ever see this claim supported.

Apparently this was true about a number of other nations....who have elected Islamist governments. Ones that spout anti-West hate, but our media doesn't report on it because it is really really inconvenient for people to notice it right now.

So better, "they don't approve" and "the young want change" but what you fail to understand is that that change is 70% for being MORE EXTREMIST.

The irony....truly it is awesome.



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 04:44 PM
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Has anyone pointed out that most knowledgeable Christians accept that Muhammad was a prophet? Why couldn't this "Christian" guy admit that when asked? (when I say knowledgeable Christians, I am referring to those that understand that Jesus wasn't a 5'10 white guy.)



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 04:44 PM
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"That's too cool! You're going to avoid debating on history by bringing up... history!"

Since when does the Deluge and the Fall of Jericho qualify as verifiable history? I simply cited a theological reference to confirm the basis for my initial post. If the afor mentioned stories qualify as history then I musta' missed a day or two, huh?



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by Res Ipsa
Has anyone pointed out that most knowledgeable Christians accept that Muhammad was a prophet? Why couldn't this "Christian" guy admit that when asked? (when I say knowledgeable Christians, I am referring to those that understand that Jesus wasn't a 5'10 white guy.)


Most knowledgeable Christians do?

I have never heard such a thing before.

Is the qualification for being a "knowledgeable" Christian that you do accept this?

Anyway - I'm not a Christian. However, I also don't have to worry about being put to death for the crime of being a mouthy agnostic in areas where there are lots of Christians. I get told I might go to Hell, but then all the good musicians are poets are there so I think I'll be in good company.



posted on Feb, 23 2012 @ 05:05 PM
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It's a Human Life. I say go there, take him and bring him back to the states. If they have a problem with it they can come back and get him. I don't condone war in anyway but as HUMAN BEINGS, not as a country, NOBODY should allow this to happen.

We need to stop thinking about how countries work and realize that regardless of how our ancestors divided the countries back then, regardless of what the laws of the country are we should stick up to human life above and beyond all else.




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